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Answers below for the #1 through #7 picks:

So imagine you're a top prospect getting ready for the NBA Draft.

You go and work out with a team that has a Top 10 pick.

And as you go through your workout, you notice that the guy that would be in charge of drafting you, is asleep.

How would that make you feel? Would you even want to go to that team?

(It was Phil Jackson)

I know Phil's getting paid and that's all that counts in the end. But damn, he was King Midas for a long stretch....then accepts a job with the Knicks and everything he touches now turns to poo.

He was probably just meditating.

#ZenMaster

ok my 1st yr of american legion i was just backing out of the way of a pitch and my caritalage flipped over in my knee. i was being scouted for 2 yrs. since i was a sophmore ine HS. i came to the game in a cast and the cleveland scout just shoke his head Now one year later it took the whole year to heal i hit one in the state tourney that was 470 feet. how do i know that? that sign said 475 and i almost hit it,but got it on the bounce.

anyways i got offered a tryout. this was in 1970, i turned it down and a differant team. i wanted to play for the indians. i wasn't a big guy 5'10 maybe a buck 75, but i had really quick wrist. could i have played pro ball, who knows, but what i do know is that i was the best centerfieder in the state.

now 47 years later i can barely walk. and i don't regret turning down a chance to play baseball. i was a mason foreman fore over 35 years. my kids can drive by things i built and see them.

my oldest son when he was 8-9 years old i said come here. he asked what?i said i'm gong to give you something for as long as this building is here will be part of you're life. i hand over handed him to lay 3 bricks. these are yours hopefully till you pass you can bring your kids here and tell them you layed them.

there is something i left at the last school i built that made me tear up some because i knew i was almost time for me to be done as my health was going down. sorry for the long rant. bless to everyone here

Thanks for sharing and hang in there, nor.

vers my brother is 354 days younger than me asked how can you change from what you were 2 days ago to today. i said this can change in 60 seconds, i don;t know what it is.

my pcp said we have good and bad news the good nothing bad the bad we have no answers oh and my brother is a coffe drinker.
even though he is my closest brother i can;t drink coffee

Butler just got traded to the wolves

Waiting on PG.

Heard some Boston talk.

Nothing happening.

Good stories, Nordawg. I was a good ballplayer too - until I wasn't, about when I got to be 16 and the pitchers threw harder than I could catch up with. And then there was the curveball - the hammer - that humiliated me one night under the lights at Edgewater Park, and pretty much ended my baseball career. My parents were there that night to watch, and they saw me hit the dirt on a pitch that ended up being strike 3. #$@% curve, I couldn't pick up the spin and it ate me up. Before that night I was a good gap-to-gap, line drive hitter. I tried to hit the pitcher with the batted ball - not because I wanted to hit him, but because I wanted to square up on the pitch and hit it hard somewhere. After that curveball though, I was done. Confidence was gone, all the sudden like.

And I sure never hit a ball 470.

Even more than that though, I envy you the ability to drive here and there and say "I built that.". Footprints on the sands of time, buddy. You should be proud.

Knicks might just straight up cut melo, and they are fielding offers for porzingis

I think it'd be hilarious if Boston gave up a bunch for PG. Doesn't even reach the Finals, and then he leaves for the Lakers..

I really hate how the NBA handles trades during the Draft. Very behind the curve.

Besides Eli/Rivers. I can't think of a trade of player "rights" in an NFL Draft.

Didn't realize PG13 loses 40 million if he goes to FA and signs with another team.

That's an interesting wrinkle in where he may get sent to.

Yea, so now for PG its most likely:

Stay in Indy, get paid
Go to a team that isn't realistically competing for a title, get paid
Take a massive pay cut to compete for a title.

He is in his prime, so it will be interesting what he decides to do, or what the team does.

Can someone explain why Chicago made that trade? Is Butler going to be a FA next year and did they think he was going to bolt?

Not being sarcastic. I haven't followed this closely. Just looking for an answer.

I think they were afraid to pay him. Under the new max rules, if he gets on one of the three All Pro teams, he's eligible for the super max, which is $49M a year.

I read that recently, gotta find it again.

Thanks

Asking, because I dont know, but what is the nba going to do about this "super team" problem?

Nobody can compete with GS or CLE. And when these teams fall apart, there will just be another super team in their place.

All the other teams are just bottom feeders.
Some with a good guy or two.

But its all really predictable.

And that means less money for the nba.
And less excitement for fans who live in bottom feeder cities.

So what is the solution to this?
Or do they just ignore it?

We will see, but with the lack of moves made by east teams, so far, looks like another Cavs-Celtics ECF, and another finals appearance.

We will see what the way too early predictions look like after the FA period.

Well...what can they really do?

I'm asking honestly. Cause people act like there isn't always the same teams in the finals every era that passes.

How many times have we seen the lakers-Celtics? Spurs, bulls, now Cavs-miami(Lebron).

When it comes to finals teams and finals winners, there's never been that much parity. Maybe the talent/individual players was spread out better, but the same teams were still going to the finals all the time.

I dont know what they can do. Thats why Im asking. I dont know as much about nba rules.

I seem to enjoy the nfl more because theres more variables and less predictability.

A real salary cap would help.

Are the Nets clueless or not?

Nothing. This is great for the game of basketball. Especially since super teams are extremely exciting to kids because all of the players are amazing. So more kids will want to play basketball and more kids will practice to make it to the NBA. So the league gets better players in the future. More good players mean more parity in the league. Have you ever watched a regular NBA game? They don't have the talent pool to field 30 competitive teams. Yet. Super teams are good for the sport. Besides, it's not like any of the leagues have any semblance of parity.

I think the NBA has it right. The franchise tag in the NFL is horrible. Sure, it's great for the team, but it delays free agency and keeps the player on two 1-year deals, which are for a lot of money, but don't provide the long term contract and signing bonus.

The NBA allows the team with the Bird Rights to pay more and for longer, and that ends up being A LOT of money too. I think PG might give up nearly $45-$70M by not staying in Indiana. That's a lot of incentive to stay.

However, we all judge our NBA superstars by rings, so the pressure to win seems bigger.

I think the system works. The decision is up to the players. If they want to play in Miami, their hometown, then they might have to give up the supermax deal. That's fair. If they want to ring chase with the Warriors, they not only give up the supermax deal, but will also probably need to take even less. Isn't that what we'd want from our athletes?

Sure, the Pacers drafted and have had PG a long time, but they aren't winning anything with him. Do we really expect them to pay him ~$45M per year to finish 7th in the East?

Here's more...

...Butler's honor starts the clock on him possibly qualifying for a designated-player exception in the new collective bargaining agreement. If Butler makes an All-NBA team either next season or the season after, he would qualify for this exception and be in position to command a five-year deal north of $200 million beginning in 2019-20.

Based on current salary-cap projections, Butler's so-called "super max" would start at $42 million in 2019-20 and be worth $246.4 million overall. In such a deal, which starts at 35 percent of the salary cap and commands 8 percent raises, Butler would make $57.1 million in the final year of the deal in 2023-24 when he would be 34.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bas...0518-story.html

Butler is good, but I don't think you can build around him as the best player. Or maybe, because he's good enough to get you the 8th seed, you'll never get another Top 4 pick in the draft that might bring a runningmate for him (Wade is done). I suppose a free agent could land there, it is "Chicago", but they'd need two studs to sign there. That's a big gamble.

So, rebuild now or prolong the waiting for superstars to come to you? Meanwhile, you'd be locked into paying Butler $250M to get you the 8th seed.

...one more thing, the Wolves could be fun to watch next year. KAT, Wiggins and Butler!?! Dang.

Are they the 4 seed in the West now?

Warriors
Spurs
Houston
Minnesota

The Clippers could be missing CP3, Griffin and Jordan. Not sure where to put them.

They will ignore it until it starts impacting attendance/ratings.

Thanks for all the information.

And yes, Minni could be exciting next year. I think KAT is the best young player in the league. He has it all.

Here's a thought.

Ricky Rubio
Jimmy Butler
Andrew Wiggins
Blake Griffin
Karl Anthony-Towns

Great regular season lineup. Come postseason time, Griffin is usually injured. Well, unless that's just the Clippers curse.

Maybe this?

Chris Paul
Jimmy Butler
Andrew Wiggins
Blake Griffin
Karl Anthony-Towns

What if, you swapped out Griffin, for Lamarcus Aldridge, who apparently isn't happy in SA?

would CP3 to the Spurs be a real threat to the Warriors?

word on the street is that they are shopping Aldridge as well. he definitely disappointed that series.

Spurs don't lose Leonard and they have another ring..for me its a simple as that, he's the straw that stirs that drink..throw in missing parker and LA doing his best pre-warrior durant impression..i think had they had Parker and leonard the series wouldn't have even been close

Leonard is the key to that team. CP3 would be a huge help. LA is a complimentary player. He was doing well w/Leonard, but when he had to be the man, he wasn't capable.

All I know is that I hope someone beats Golden State. They are a very unlikable team.

Knicks about to part ways with Phil.

Apparently the differences were on buying out Melo.

I wonder which side wanted what............

All I know is that Jackson and Melo clashed a lot and that Phil trashed Melo in the media.

Looks like Irving was almost a draft day trade. Reports were we were going to trade Irving to the Suns for Bledsoe and the 4th pick, and that pick would be traded to Pacers for George. That would have been an awesome deal for us. Much better than love for PG13 straight up. But I guess the reason it didn't go through was Gilbert approached Lebron for a commitment beyond next year and didn't get it so the deal died, I guess it was already in place. Not a big deal, but like I've said before, Lebron's wishy washy attitude really makes it hard to build longevity, he's every bit the problem the salary cap is.