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and Trump was a good and honest person, he would resign.

If he had conflicts, he would never have been appointed or accepted. He's doing his job which is to follow the evidence wherever it may lead. Surely you don't expect him to stack his team with Trump supporters do you? Hasn't there been enough interference and coverup?

a conservative appointed this dude. yet 40 still screams about it being biased. i don't get it.

I really don't understand why you admittedly hate PRES.TRUMP. so bad that it is consuming you actually all you cultish liberals cant accept the real facts that Obama was the PRES. during the the election that the RUSSIANS were supposedly trying to influence FYI

jc

Was the outrageously fake "pissgate" dossier, that was peddled by some of the liberals on here, actually the result of a Democrat-led smear campaign?

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http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/

Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators

A secretive Washington firm that commissioned the dubious intelligence dossier on Donald Trump is stonewalling congressional investigators trying to learn more about its connections to the Democratic Party.

The Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month threatened to subpoena the firm, Fusion GPS, after it refused to answer questions and provide records to the panel identifying who financed the error-ridden dossier, which was circulated during the election and has sparked much of the Russia scandal now engulfing the White House.

What is the company hiding? Fusion GPS describes itself as a “research and strategic intelligence firm” founded by “three former Wall Street Journal investigative reporters.” But congressional sources says it’s actually an opposition-research group for Democrats, and the founders, who are more political activists than journalists, have a pro-Hillary, anti-Trump agenda.

“These weren’t mercenaries or hired guns,” a congressional source familiar with the dossier probe said. “These guys had a vested personal and ideological interest in smearing Trump and boosting Hillary’s chances of winning the White House.”

Fusion GPS was on the payroll of an unidentified Democratic ally of Clinton when it hired a long-retired British spy to dig up dirt on Trump. In 2012, Democrats hired Fusion GPS to uncover dirt on GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. And in 2015, Democrat ally Planned Parenthood retained Fusion GPS to investigate pro-life activists protesting the abortion group.

More, federal records show a key co-founder and partner in the firm was a Hillary Clinton donor and supporter of her presidential campaign.

In September 2016, while Fusion GPS was quietly shopping the dirty dossier on Trump around Washington, its co-founder and partner Peter R. Fritsch contributed at least $1,000 to the Hillary Victory Fund and the Hillary For America campaign, Federal Election Commission data show. His wife also donated money to Hillary’s campaign.

Property records show that in June 2016, as Clinton allies bankrolled Fusion GPS, Fritsch bought a six-bedroom, five-bathroom home in Bethesda, Md., for $2.3 million.

Fritsch did not respond to requests for comment. A lawyer for Fusion GPS said the firm’s work is confidential.

Sources say Fusion GPS had its own interest, beyond those of its clients, in promulgating negative gossip about Trump.

Fritsch, who served as the Journal’s bureau chief in Mexico City and has lectured at the liberal Wilson Center’s Mexico Institute, married into a family with Mexican business interests. His wife, Beatriz Garcia, formerly worked as an executive at Grupo Dina, a manufacturer of trucks and buses in Mexico City that benefits from NAFTA, which Trump opposes.

Fritsch’s Fusion GPS partner Thomas Catan, who grew up in Britain, once edited a business magazine in Mexico, moreover. A third founding partner, Glenn Simpson, is reported to have shared dark views of both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Trump. Before joining Fusion GPS, Simpson did opposition research for a former Clinton White House operative.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is also investigating whether the FBI has wrongly relied on the anti-Trump dossier and its author, Christopher Steele — the old spy who was hired by Fusion GPS to build a Russia file on Trump — to aid its ongoing espionage investigation into the Trump campaign and its possible ties to Moscow.

The FBI received a copy of the Democrat-funded dossier in August, during the heat of the campaign, and is said to have contracted in October to pay Steele $50,000 to help corroborate the dirt on Trump — a relationship that “raises substantial questions about the independence” of the bureau in investigating Trump, warned Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

Senate investigators are demanding to see records of communications between Fusion GPS and the FBI and the Justice Department, including any contacts with former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, now under congressional investigation for possibly obstructing the Hillary Clinton email probe, and deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe, who is under investigation by the Senate and the Justice inspector general for failing to recuse himself despite financial and political connections to the Clinton campaign through his Democrat activist wife. Senate investigators have singled out McCabe as the FBI official who negotiated with Steele.

Like Fusion GPS, the FBI has failed to cooperate with congressional investigators seeking documents.

Steele contracted with Fusion GPS to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia starting in June 2016, whereupon he outlandishly claimed that Hillary campaign hackers were “paid by both Trump’s team and the Kremlin” and that the operation was run out of Putin’s office. He also fed Fusion GPS and its Hillary-allied clients incredulous gossip about Trump hating the Obamas so much that he hired hookers to urinate on a bed they slept in at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton, and that Russian intelligence recorded the pee party in case they needed to blackmail Trump.

Never mind that none of the rumors were backed by evidence or even credible sourcing (don’t bother trying to confirm his bed-wetting yarn, Steele advised, as “all direct witnesses have been silenced”). Steele reinforced his paying customers’ worst fears about Trump, and they rewarded him for it with a whopping $250,000 in payments.

But it’s now clear his “intelligence reports,” which together run more than 35-pages long, were for the most part worthless. And the clients who paid Fusion GPS (which claims to go “beyond standard due diligence”) for them got taken to the cleaners.

Steele’s most sensational allegations remain unconfirmed. For instance, his claim that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen held a “clandestine meeting” on the alleged hacking scheme in Prague with “Kremlin officials” in August 2016 unraveled when Cohen denied ever visiting Prague, his passport showed no stamps showing he left or entered the US at the time, witnesses accounted for his presence here, and Czech authorities found no evidence Cohen went to Prague.

Steele hadn’t worked in Moscow since the 1990s and didn’t actually travel there to gather intelligence on Trump firsthand. He relied on third-hand “friend of friend” sourcing. In fact, most of his claimed Russian sources spoke not directly to him but “in confidence to a trusted compatriot” who, in turn, spoke to Steele — and always anonymously.

But his main source may have been Google. Most of the information branded as “intelligence” was merely rehashed from news headlines or cut and pasted — replete with errors — from Wikipedia.

In fact, much of the seemingly cloak-and-dagger information connecting Trump and his campaign advisers to Russia had already been reported in the media at the time Steele wrote his monthly reports.

In the same August report, for example, Steele connected a Moscow trip taken by then-Trump campaign adviser Michael Flynn to “the Russian operation” to hack the election. But there was nothing secret about the trip, which had taken place months earlier and had been widely reported.

And there was nothing untoward about it. It was a dinner celebrating the 10th birthday of Russian TV network RT, and Flynn sat at the same table with Putin as US Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein.

The real question is why anyone would take anything in the sketchy report seriously.

But even the CIA gave it credence. The dossier ended up attached to a Top Secret intelligence briefing on Russia for President Obama, even though his intelligence czar last month testified “We couldn’t corroborate the sourcing.” The FBI, moreover, has been using it for investigative leads on Trump associates like Carter Page, even though former FBI Director James Comey this month described the dossier as “salacious and unverified.”

And of course, Democratic leaders in Congress keep referring to it to cook up more charges against Trump, while liberal media continue to use it as a road map to find “scoops” on Trump in the “Russiagate” conspiracy they’re peddling — still hoping against hope that the central thrust of the report — that Trump entered into an unholy alliance with the Russian government during the election — will one day prove true and bring about the downfall of his presidency.

how is it consuming me?

"we're gonna build a wall, and mexico will pay for it" - lie
"my healthcare plan will make sure everyone is covered, and less expensive" - lie
"obama wire tapped me" -lie

lol, you know what? i can't go through them all, here's a list:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

this list gets updated, by the way. so make sure you save it in a readily available bookmark tab

obama did what he could, but what's sad is you're so blinded that you can even admit the truth. what's the truth?

if obama would've came out and said that the russians are meddling in the election and that the trump campaign was possibly involved, you conservatives would've flipped, start making all these claims about how obama is trying to rig the election, or discredit trump because he doesn't like him over the birther movement.

don't even get me started with all the racist name calling and other insults that would've been thrown his way.

you conservatives constantly talk about bigotry and intolerance from the left, as if the last 8 years never existed. y'all hated obama so much that if he would've came out and said that, it would've GUARANTEED a hillary loss.

so obama decided to let the election process play out. he was in a lose/lose situation, and i 100% support his decision to let the whole thing play out, and let the intelligence community do their things and investigate without any presidential agenda involved.

and let the intelligence community do their things and investigate without any presidential agenda involved.

and let the intelligence community do their things and investigate without any presidential agenda involved.

and let the intelligence community do their things and investigate without any presidential agenda involved.

^^^^^ that's something that we are currently NOT seeing from Trump.

straight up fact.

but since you and all the other Trump supporters dodged my question in Pit's thread, i will ask this again:

But ask yourself this: ALL these situations and events happened, with Russia, except replace the name Donald trump with Hillary Clinton, would trump supporters, conservatives, and GOP be attempting to blow this off like they are doing now?

Would Arch, Diam, Peen, Haus, 40, and others say that their was nothing there and Hillary did nothing wrong if she fired 3 people investigating her into Russian collusion? Would they sit quiet if the RNC was hacked by Russians and Wikileaks and wanted Hillary to win?

We already know the answer to that.

and now you can add your name to the list, Riley.

Riley, I owe you an apology. You are one of the very few posters on the board that I really can't stand to read because your posts are often unintelligible.

I know you are just trying to communicate how you feel and show your support for Trump, so I should not pick on you or be rude to you just because you struggle to do that beyond a 2nd grade level. So I'm sorry for the way I've treated you.

You have every right to show your support and act like the rest of cult Trump. I'm even thinking about supporting your cause. I've been looking into having Trump gear made to sell at bloated prices to y'all so I can donate the profits to the Bernie movement. This way I can help Trump supporters do the right thing without them even being aware they are doing it. I understand that Trump supporters don't seem to be aware of much (except what Trump wants them to believe), so this shouldn't harm anyone. I found out recently that much of the trump gear being sold is produced by us liberals now anyway, so I'm getting on board that profit machine too!

So please please please, buy the gear, continue to support the Donald and do the right thing!

Please do. The relatively paltry amounts of money you would be able to make selling hats and t-shirts would be more than offset by the increased number of Trumpers proudly showing off their gear, and to some extent, their views. Never underestimate the value in that.

Contributions into Bernie's campaign were worthless anyway as you guys were unfortunately defrauded by the DNC. We may differ on specifics sometimes but I do have some sympathy for how Bernie and the bros were treated.

The Bernie movement is not 'His Campaign'. And you would be surprised how much Trumps supporters will pay for Trump Gear! Some hats and tee shirts are selling for $50 plus! Just crazy.

That is pretty crazy. I can't say I've looked into it much as I don't like to make myself a walking advertisement for any company or movement.

I do remember early in the campaign, there were a lot of Trump supporters who were (in my opinion) not so quick to share their views... the so called shy Trump effect. That has largely died down by this point but it's still cool to run into somebody wearing a MAGA hat.

Ididnt read that post but obviously I wouldn't appreciate it but the caveat with your hypothetical is there is zip, nada ,zero that TRUMP was instrumental in any of that stuff actually you should be upset with your party cause they should move on and start running the country that they were elected to do instead of doing the DEM SHUFFLE by blaming all societies the problems on the conseritives I.e. Baltimore and Chicago the dems that run those places should be exposed like you love when the cons. are

Spicer says Trump’s remarks about possible Comey tapes brought out truth



HOWARD KURTZ: Sean Spicer, welcome.

SEAN SPICER: Thanks for having me.


ON TRUMP TWEET SAYING NO COMEY TAPES:

HK: The media is on fire over the President saying no, he doesn’t have any secret tapes of [former FBI Director] Jim Comey after having raised the prospect in a tweet weeks ago. Do you think, you said Friday, the president was just trying to enable that the truth come out.

SS: That’s right.

HK: But by raising that prospect didn’t he -- and the price of that is he insinuated something that wasn’t true.

SS: He said “I hope there’s not” because I think that he knew the truth would come out, and I think he is glad that the truth is coming out that he had said very clearly that on three occasions he was told that he was not under investigation, there was no obstruction, and he was right. And I think that having Director Comey come out and admit it under oath and testimony proves that the President was right.

HK: You said with some justification that the media spent way too much time covering the Russia investigation —

SS: But think about the lead up to that testimony, other networks were insisting that it was going to be — that Comey was going to come to the stand and undermine the President’s comments and yet exactly the opposite happened. Director Comey came and admitted that the President was right that on three separate occasions he admitted to him he wasn’t under investigation.

HK: But in terms of the amount of media oxygen this consumed, you being about it at many briefings, isn’t it the kind of distraction that the White House says it wants to avoid so you can focus on the policies.

SS: Well again, at the end of the day more than anything we obviously want to cover the President’s policies and agenda, but also we want to get the truth out there and when you have a bunch of media organizations falsely implying and stating something that is not true I think that to have us finally be able to resolve an issue such as that is helpful because it allows us to move past it and get to the issues and the agenda that the President is fighting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...-out-truth.html

-Brilliant!

June 25, 2017


MSNBC goes OCD: mentions ‘Russia’ 56 times in one hour program
By Thomas Lifson

Obsession ain’t just the name of a perfume from Calvin Klein. Obsessive compulsive disorder on a mass scale is afflicting the mainstream media. Despite the continuing absence of any evidence that Donald Trump “colluded” with Russia to steal the election from its rightful winner, MSNBC’s Joy Reid did her own version of Lady Macbeth’s obsession, in effect muttering, “Out, out, damn defeat,” by invoking the Russia excuse 56 times in the first hour of her program yesterday.

I am grateful to Mark Finkelstein of Legal Insurrection, who not only endured an hour of MSNBC, but was focused enough to keep count of the Russia ritual invocations, and then produced a compilation video that requires less than two minutes of your life.



Note that of a typical broadcast hour on cable news, about 22 minutes will be taken up with commercials, promos, and other material, leaving a 38 minute hole to fill with content. If my calculations are correct, that means one mention of Russia every 37.25 seconds of the broadcast.

So long as Trump Derangement Syndrome remains a mass phenomenon, MSNBC and others will indulge their collective obsession. The object of the compulsive behavior may change over time, with Russia being replaced by another shiny object. The possibilities are limitless, since facts do not really matter to this crowd, only suspicions.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017...ur_program.html

How about a more level-headed explanation for why the Democrats lost the election and, over the last eight years, have continually lost seats in both houses of Congress as well as state governorships/legislatures.

Per Julian Assange: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/878771861827530754

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spvr6n

Why the Democratic party is doomed:

1. The Democratic establishment has vortexed the party's narrative energy into hysteria about Russia (a state with a lower GDP than South Korea). It is starkly obvious that were it not for this hysteria insurgent narratives of the type promoted by Bernie Sanders would rapidly dominate the party's base and its relationship with the public. Without the "We didn't lose--Russia won" narrative the party's elite and those who exist under its patronage would be purged for being electorally incompetent and ideologically passé. The collapse of the Democratic vote over the last eight years is at every level, city, state, Congressional and presidential. It corresponds to the domination of Democratic decision making structures by a professional, educated, urban service class and to the shocking decline in health and longevity of white males, who together with their wives, daughters, mothers, etc. comprise 63% of the US population (2010 census). Unlike other industrialized countries US male real wages (all ethnic groups combined) have not increased since 1973. In trying to stimulate engagement of non-whites and women Democrats have aggressively promoted identity politics. This short-term tactic has led to the inevitable strategic catastrophe of the white and male super majorities responding by seeing themselves as an unserviced political identity group. Consequently in response to sotto-voce suggestions that Trump would service this group 53% of all men voted for Trump, 53% of white women and 63% of white men (PEW Research).

2. The Trump-Russia collusion narrative is a political dead end. Despite vast resources, enormous incentives and a year of investigation, Democratic senators who have seen the classified intelligence at the CIA such as Senator Feinstein (as recently as March) are forced to admit that there is no evidence of collusion [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BS5amEq7Fc]. Without collusion, we are left with the Democratic establishment blaming the public for being repelled by the words of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party establishment. Is it a problem that the public discovered what Hillary Clinton said to Goldman Sachs and what party elites said about fixing the DNC primaries against Bernie Sanders? A party elite that maintains that it is the "crime of the century" for the public and their membership to discover how they behave and what they believe invites scorn.

3. The Democrat establishment needs the support of the security sector and media barons to push this diversionary conspiracy agenda, so they ingratiate themselves with these two classes leading to further perceptions that the Democrats act on behalf of an entrenched power elite. Eventually, Trump or Pence will 'merge' with the security state leaving Democrats in a vulnerable position having talked up two deeply unaccountable traditionally Republican-aligned organizations, in particular, the CIA and the FBI, who will be turned against them. Other than domestic diversion and geopolitical destabilization the primary result of the Russian narrative is increased influence and funding for the security sector which is primarily GOP owned or aligned.

4. The twin result is to place the primary self-interest concerns of most Americans, class competition, freedom from crime and ill health and the empowerment of their children, into the shadows and project the Democrats as close to DC and media elites. This has further cemented Trump's anti-establishment positioning and fettered attacks on Trump's run away embrace of robber barons, dictators and gravitas-free buffoons like the CIA's Mike Pompeo.

5. GOP/Trump has open goals everywhere: broken promises, inequality, economy, healthcare, militarization, Goldman Sachs, Saudi Arabia & cronyism, but the Democrat establishment can't kick these goals since the Russian collusion narrative has consumed all its energy and it is entangled with many of the same groups behind Trump's policies.

6. The Democratic base should move to start a new party since the party elite shows no signs that they will give up power. This can be done quickly and cheaply as a result of the internet and databases of peoples' political preferences. This reality is proven in practice with the rapid construction of the Macron, Sanders and Trump campaigns from nothing. The existing Democratic party may well have negative reputational capital, stimulating a Macron-style clean slate approach. Regardless, in the face of such a threat, the Democratic establishment will either concede control or, as in the case of Macron, be eliminated by the new structure.

Okay, admittedly, I am not following this as well as I should be, but I also don't get the hysteria around Russia. It's almost become this "boogeyman" of the press, but I still don't understand what has actually happened or why the press is pushing the narrative so hard.

My biggest question is, what exactly did Russia "hack"? They've made it sound like Russia hacked into closed circuit voter booths and paper ballots to somehow change the vote. The only actual "hack" I've heard about was the Wikileaks release, which Wikileaks claims didn't come from Russia anyway. All that did was show the collusion involved in the DNC that rigged the primaries. So when the DNC and media scream that "Russia rigged the election!" ... it comes across as "Hey, they cheated better than we did!"

I'm just shocked we are only on Part 2 of this thread LOL

It's the way they are using the term 'hack' that is misleading. In this case, they seem to be using it in the vernacular rather that in the real sense.

There have been some reports of Russian operatives attempting to electronically break into voting systems and voter roles which would be an actual 'hack' in the original sense. To date there has been no direct evidence that suggests a successful intrusion into US systems.

I'm just amazed that Russia obviously hacked into the DNC server and attempted to hack many state elections and people act as if interfering in our elections is no big deal. The very thing that decides our democratic process was under attack while many twiddle their thumbs and pretend this isn't important.

I think it is a shame the DNC didn't let the FBI look into their servers. Think of the valuable evidence against Russian Hackers that could have been found.

Now we will never know.

17 different government agencies know. Just because you're in denial of that doesn't change anything.

The fact remains, the FBI was blocked by the DNC for access to its servers. Nice try at deflection tho.

How many of those 17 government agencies were part of the investigation, or even had access to the relevant data?

Networks Ignore Loretta Lynch Story in Favor of More Trump-Russia Coverage

The Senate Judiciary Committee has opened an inquiry into former Attorney General Loretta Lynch over allegations that she interfered in the Hillary Clinton email probe.

Fired FBI Director James Comey recently testified that Lynch sought to downplay the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server by asking him to refer to it as a "matter," not an investigation.

The mainstream media has largely ignored the Lynch story, while they've continued to extensively report on possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/26/ma...tta-lynch-probe

Agenda driven much?

Clinton again?

And FOX news has largely ignored Russian meddling into elections world wide.

Yes, it's a conspiracy theory. They just said that because Obama/Hillary?

Come on Haus, quit reaching.

I thought it was a pretty reasonable question, and the fact that you responded the way that you did suggests that you are not all that comfortable with the answer.

My recollection is most of those 17 agencies had nothing to do with the probe, and their thus their opinion is not particularly noteworthy. Why some of them even weighed in on the topic is unclear.

The NSA chief in the past expressed moderate confidence in the Russian hacking report. The others, including many which were not even involved, rated it with high confidence, so there is some disagreement even at the top levels of the intelligence community about just how strong the evidence is.

Is this something that is being covered in the FBI's investigation into possible Russian connections? I imagine there has to be something in there about this. I look forward to their conclusions which will most likely exonerate Trump, and separately shed more light on what role Russia played in the DNC hack.

If 17 agencies "know", what is taking so long? IF 17 agencies know of hacking, and it goes back to Trump, what on earth is taking so long for the investigation?


Honest question, really. If 17 intelligence agencies "know" there was collusion, or hacking, that affected the election, why aren't they spitting out their proof?

What Russia did has nothing to do with Trump. And I would really like to know what you're asserting has to do with anything. Whether all 17 of these agencies actually did part of the investigating is immaterial. They have all reviewed the same evidence and reached the exact same conclusion.

thought you weren't gonna comment til after the investigation is over with?

Next question would be: Then why is the media trying to hang it on trump, or his administration?

it's hard not to when he's fired 3 people investigating him, and weighing the option on whether or not he should fire Mueller, as well.

your question has been answered multiple times already. stop asking it.

No, it's never been answered. (as of yet, that is)

If 17 intelligence agencies have proof - why don't they just spit it out? If they have proof - game over, right?

Read what Pit said:

So, what's up? WHERE is the proof these 17 intelligence agencies supposedly have? If it's there, nail him.

I can accept that these agencies have access to more info than I do and have far more technical expertise, but the whole story stinks. The actual forensics was done by a company hired by the DNC called CrowdStrike, and they are the ones who passed the info along to the FBI, as the FBI was denied direct access to the servers.

Yeah, I wasn't, and I regret it every time I wade back into this stupid topic.

Hmmmm. Wonder why the DNC didn't want the FBI to know what they were up to?

I find it funny how some posters on here can bare the embarrassment of defending such a corrupt organization as the DNC.

you do realize there's an investigation going on, right?

during an investigation, intel/evidence isn't just dropped to the public piece by piece like they're feeding fish at a pond or something.

all the intelligence communities agree that russians meddled in our election.

that isn't the question. even trump HIMSELF just said so. if you were paying any sort of attention, you'd be aware of that.

the investigations currently going on is determining:

A. how much/far did they meddle
B. what foreign entities were involved, other than russians
C were there any americans involved, if so, who? and how far up the food chain does this go?

plenty of information has been posted throughout these multiple threads, plenty of information has been given out by even conservative outlets.

at some point, you need to pay attention.

you guys asking for proof constantly during an active investigation has me questioning if you have any sort of clue how basic investigations work. because right now, you and Haus are demonstrating that the answer is: very little.

we have no idea what Mueller has. what we DO know is that we have people who have lied about russian contacts. what we DO know is that the president has fired 3 people investigating the campaign, and currently weighing whether or not he should fire Mueller. what we DO know is that Kushner tried to create a backdoor channel directly to the kremlin.

and again, we have people, including trump, lawyering up. trump's own lawyer had to get a lawyer.

is there anything inherently wrong with getting a lawyer? certainly not.

but in the words of Trump and flynn, why asked for immunity and plead the fifth if you have nothing to hide?

i'm only going off of the standard the president you voted for set.

Trump might not be guilty, but he's certainly operating like someone who is.

The media? I believe it's a GOP congress, a GOP Senate and a GOP appointed special prosecutor that are investigating Trump, not the media.

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but just in case you don't.

There are different parts to these investigations. One part has already been proven. The Russians interfered in our election. Now there are other parts to the investigation but the fact Russia interfered has nothing to do with Trump.

I'm so glad you and perfect and ocd, etc, have kept an open mind.

Weird how you guys blame trump and have him guilty already. Until you're called on it, and then you say "the investigation is on going and we don't know anything yet."

Thanks for playing.

Heed your words: pay attention.

funny how you didn't refute a single thing i said.

you just followed it up with a useless post.

That's a pretty fair assessment.. it's a shame it's not reported way.. if it was, maybe almost 70% of the country wouldn't already have suspicions that somebody high up in the Trump campaign (or Trump himself) was working with the Russians....