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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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I didn't say look like, I said act like!
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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Well, its time to make coffee so I will give you the answer...
Through all these investigations, something like 7 of them, the only crime that has been found involving Trump and his people is...
The illegal Unmasking of Flynn and leaking it to the Press!
Felony!
The enemy within is America's biggest threat. As is always the case with these types of investigations, they don't tell you anything until they reach a conclusion. You want everyone to just answer, "they haven't found anything" but we don't know that. You think that because they haven't revealed anything, that there isn't anything. Now, that's out of the way, I admit that in the end, there may be nothing but smoke. it's very possible. But given Trumps history of lies, misdirection, Alternative Facts, Crudeness (see his latest tweets), vulgarity and past business history of Bankruptcies, failing to pay contractors etc etc. I'd say there is every chance that he's guilty of something. For me, the odds are, he's going to be impeached at some point.
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Trump acts human. You act... Morning jolt: Trump tweets personal attacks at Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough https://www.yahoo.com/news/morning-jolt-...-142043869.htmllook at the tweets. he doesn't act human. he acts like an untamed animal. trashing another woman's looks again? how presidential.
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Speaking of alternate facts, what exactly have you and the other Liberals on these boards been crying about since November? The alternate facts of the Russia collusion fiasco, that's what! How about the alternate facts of Trump giving up classified info to the Russians?  And even the Smoke you talk about came from the alternate facts of your media! But go ahead and continue to point your alternate finger at the real world and cry SMOKE! Impeachment?  Not unless you guys pull one of those shady deals I spoke about in previous posts on how you can get Trump.
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Trump acts human. You act... Morning jolt: Trump tweets personal attacks at Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough https://www.yahoo.com/news/morning-jolt-...-142043869.htmllook at the tweets. he doesn't act human. he acts like an untamed animal. trashing another woman's looks again? how presidential. IMO the news networks shouldn't even cover Trump's tweets, they're just plain evil and cruel. He can use Twitter to coach his mindless minions but they're not news worthy.
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You're really losing your hold here. You're hanging on with only you're pinky fingers. (Haus) and (Arch).
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NK threatens to Nuke us and our friends. Europe is under ISIS attack. Russian/US relations are at an all time low. And you cry about our Presidents tweets. Maybe you can watch it on Hollywood Tonight!
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NK threatens to Nuke us and our friends. Europe is under ISIS attack. Russian/US relations are at an all time low. And you cry about our Presidents tweets. Maybe you can watch it on Hollywood Tonight! you was the one in a discussion about his tweets. now all of a sudden we shouldn't be discussion those tweets? when does NK not threaten somebody? you said in a previous thread we aren't europe. so what does europe and ISIS have to do with trump's tweet and the russian collusion? Russian/US relations SHOULD be at an all time low, they just meddled in our election, that's an act of war. and guess what your president is doing about it? absolutely nothing. except tweeting about some woman's looks and being childish on twitter, AGAIN. so don't be upset with me, be upset with your useless piece of crap president.
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and guess what your president is doing about it? The typical comeback on this will be "He doesn't telegraph what he's going to do." Which also translates to nothing BTW.
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Ahh Shaddapp and take your little friend Perfect to the Doctors. 
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what a enlightening response.
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I already tried to enlighten you but it did nothing.
Would you like me to reword my posts on the subject and say the same things over and over again?
I am too busy filling a bag with hammers currently.
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If you're fine with a president that represents himself (and our country) the way he does, then I don't think there's really any common ground to advance a productive debate. We'll see if he can do some good while he's in office, but as far as his Tweets and his demeanor, I think he's an embarrassment.
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i don't think you're capable of enlightening anyone.
hope you didn't call ICE on your gardener. that would be messed up.
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If you're fine with a president that represents himself (and our country) the way he does, then I don't think there's really any common ground to advance a productive debate. We'll see if he can do some good while he's in office, but as far as his Tweets and his demeanor, I think he's an embarrassment. I assume you were talking to me so I will ask, did you vote for Trump?
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So for the sake of productive discussion, who give a rats arse what you think of him.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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Ummm, because I'm an American citizen. He represents me (everyone) to the international community. His daily decisions also affect me and my family in a very real way.
...unless you mean that I'm just a single person among a multitude of people (just one vote), so who cares what one person thinks? If that's the case, then who cares what you think? He's our president now, so who did and did not vote for him is irrelevant.
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He also represents the folks who hold up his severed head and I could care less what they have to say either.
America is all about sides now and it wasn't the Right who started this mess.
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America is all about sides now Yes, I can gather as much from your posts. Also, politically I'm pretty conservative. Most people can't discern the difference between conservative and Republican as well as Republican and Donald Trump, which means that (whether I like it or not) people think he represents me and my political beliefs. That one also really grinds my gears.
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He also represents the folks who hold up his severed head and I could care less what they have to say either.
He is SUPPOSED to represent them, and the best interests of the entire country. He may have the smarts and capability to lead this country, but his lack of common sense and child-like demeanor will continue to derail his administration as long as he fails to get control of himself.
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He also represents the folks who hold up his severed head and I could care less what they have to say either.
He is SUPPOSED to represent them. Don't get confused. He does represent them. It is I who could give a rats arse what they have to say. I have heard enough of what Trump haters have had to say. It is His supporters and the Right who have to struggle to be heard today!
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So if someone doesn't agree with you, you "don't give a rats arse"?
...productive discussion...
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I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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So if someone doesn't agree with you, you "don't give a rats arse"?
...productive discussion... Yea, sometimes. This place is for opinions isn't it? How can you ask for a productive discussion when the haters hate and the supporters end up defending, every-single-time? Lets discuss "convefe". The Haters hate that he said it and he is an arse. The Supporters say it is nothing and end up defending. Discuss that!
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You see now, the shoe is on the other foot. Wear it...own it!
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First, it's 'covfefe'... get it right, because it's a big deal... :-p
Preface to my main point:
I agree with you that a large and vocal proportion of the US, as well as most of our main media outlets will blow stuff like this WAAAAY out of context. I also believe that there is a large (larger than people would like to believe) bias towards the left and certain politicians on the left. Trump gets all this flack for insignificant stuff like covfefe, it shows the talking heads' bias when they go after him for stuff like this.
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... but that argument goes both ways. If a supporter of his can't get past their bias to objectively look at everything he does, why should we take that person seriously? If you voted for him, you only voted for him... you didn't marry him. He is deserving of praise and criticism based on his actions, and that rolls up into an overall summary of his performance in office (at the end of the day, it's based on his actions). It shouldn't be based on if you voted for him or not, and even less so based on what some idiot on TV says.
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America is all about sides now and it wasn't the Right who started this mess. I remember this put all the partisan bickering at a whole new level. An unlikely voice recently bemoaned the decline of civility in presidential politics, warned that “deep anger” was fueling an “almost radical populism” and sang the praises of former President Bill Clinton — particularly his “redemptive” years of philanthropic work since leaving the White House.
The voice was that of Kenneth W. Starr, the former Whitewater independent counsel, whose Javert-like pursuit of Mr. Clinton in the 1990s helped bring a new intensity to partisan warfare and led to the impeachment of a president for only the second time in the nation’s history.
During the campaign Donald J. Trump, had increasingly been trying to relitigate the scandals that Mr. Starr investigated, dredging up allegations of sexual transgressions by Mr. Clinton to accuse Hillary Clinton — the likely Democratic nominee — of having aided and enabled her husband at the expense of Mr. Clinton’s female accusers.
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take your little friend Perfect to the Doctors. Hey Swish do you have a medical bud card?  
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First, it's 'covfefe'... get it right, because it's a big deal... :-p
Preface to my main point:
I agree with you that a large and vocal proportion of the US, as well as most of our main media outlets will blow stuff like this WAAAAY out of context. I also believe that there is a large (larger than people would like to believe) bias towards the left and certain politicians on the left. Trump gets all this flack for insignificant stuff like covfefe, it shows the talking heads' bias when they go after him for stuff like this.
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... but that argument goes both ways. If a supporter of his can't get past their bias to objectively look at everything he does, why should we take that person seriously? If you voted for him, you only voted for him... you didn't marry him. He is deserving of praise and criticism based on his actions, and that rolls up into an overall summary of his performance in office (at the end of the day, it's based on his actions). It shouldn't be based on if you voted for him or not, and even less so based on what some idiot on TV says. Fair enough post there oob. Someday I will consider a productive conversation with you but today the market is crashing and needs my attention. 
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Lets discuss "convefe".
The Haters hate that he said it and he is an arse.
The Supporters say it is nothing and end up defending.
Discuss that!
Maybe we should discuss his tweets today which has many of his supporters calling it wrong. That's the problem with what you're saying. When you have conservatives, even Lindsey Graham telling him he's being classless, it makes your blathering fake and useless.
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The White House defended Trump's tweets.
"I don’t think that the president's ever been someone who gets attacked and doesn’t push back," Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said on "America's Newsroom." "There have been an outrageous number of personal attacks...This is a president who fights fire with fire and certainly will not be bullied by the liberal media."
-A spokesperson for the First Lady said in a statement: "As the First Lady has stated publicly in the past, when her husband gets attacked, he will punch back 10 times harder."
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The Latest: Left, right unite against Trump tweet http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wire...-tweet-48349553There are a lot of conservatives that have a certain amount of class. You and Trump? Not so much.
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This is still child's play compared to advocating for sexual assault on women. GOP moral high ground collapsed when they backed Trump despite his views.
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He also represents the folks who hold up his severed head and I could care less what they have to say either.
America is all about sides now and it wasn't the Right who started this mess. Wow 40, you are like fighting with a woman, you never let anything go. "Remember that time when...?" is not justification for being stupid and acting horrible. All the what-about-isms are pretty much whatever-isms now and your arguments have zero fact based, reality based, or rational adult based content. They are just tired and ugly like your awesome President.
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Well I mean if some D list comedian can act stupid, so can Trump, right?
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Wrong. The Media hates it and even Trump has laughed about that fact. Knowing Trump, he sometimes tweets stuff he knows will have the media running in circles for days. I think Convefe was one of those. We who follow what he has to say enjoy these constant updates to what is on the Presidents mind free of media interference. Sometimes it also makes us cringe. Today Trump is criticizing the hosts of Morning Joe. It is brutal but it is also everyday American Social Media. This makes Trump look like one of us instead of the untouchable Washington insider that most Presidents have become by this point in their term. Keep tweeting bud! Keep up the pressure on the Fake News Media! I might add here that if as you say his tweets provide 90 percent of what the Media runs with, I will ask you this... Who is controlling the conversation these days?  It's honestly just funny to watch Republicans right now. Their President and congressmen can't pass anything, even when they agree on the subject, so they'd rather just watch them tweet. It's a sign of a weak leadership structure.
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