DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum AFC North Q&A: Who should start at quarterback for the Browns in 2017?

As often as this team gets QB's killed, even when our line IS decent, keeping as many around as you can is prudent.

I am still not following your logic. You said the Browns want Osweiler to win the job "outright" so they could trade him for a high draft pick.

I can see trading him if he is the second or third guy, but I do not see the logic in trading a guy who has demonstrated that he is the best qb on your roster.

As for the discussion about who does or doesn't get cut:

I think we should carry three on the roster and put Hogan on the PS, provided he is eligible.

Vers, do you think anyone would trade for Hogan? Our PS might need to be all Qbs! LOL

I don't think so, Bard. He was a 5th round pick by the Chiefs last year. They cut him and we signed him to the PS.

I do know that I had him ahead of Cody when both were eligible for the draft and I know he got more attention by other posters than Cody did leading up to that draft. I don't think he is as bad as Diam says he is.

I think if he was only making 5 million a year they would keep him and like him.
My thinking on sashi they want to trade him and his salary at 14+million a year plus get another high draft pick.
BY the way it has been a pleasure talking and listening to you this year.

I think if Brock wins the job he stays, if he doesn't, he's moved. He has no value long term as a backup

Would you have kept Aaron Rogers as a rookie.
If I recall correctly, A. Rogers wasn't good at all as a rookie, and was below average for at least the first half of his 2nd year.
And Besides: They're putting their fortunes in the hands of
Britt!
Coleman!
Njoku! Duke! and Crowell!:
If those guys don't perform well the Browns aren't going to win today. Period!
( so What then!, ... don't count negatives until the 2nd half of their rookie year, and give them the full 2nd year before expecting them to look like an MVP.

Someone is gonna lose a starter and Brock could have value. Hell I haven't given up on him winning the qb competition anyway.

Hogan lit it up the last day of otas from what I have heard even with less reps. Hogan could be our ps qb.

It is rather alarming however that kizer has already pulled even with Cody. Right now Cody should be far ahead based on knowledge and experience. Kizer even means he is ahead.

I wouldn't sleep on Brock but I think kizer may have shown enough to really get more and more reps heading into our first preseason game. I think it's gonna be the rooks time to show what he's got.

Hue has the look with kizer that he had with rg3. He wants him to take it, now.

If DK is even with Cody it may not mean that Cody isn't that good it may mean that DK is already good and is only going to get better. One could hope we finally may have a QB for the future.

DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, rookie DeShone Kizer made the "biggest leap" of all the Browns' quarterbacks over the course of the offseason program.

Since joining the Browns as the 52nd overall pick, Kizer has made noticeable strides in both accuracy and touch while flashing improved mechanics. He's quickly closing the gap on Cody Kessler, though the true test for Kizer will come in the preseason. Ex-Texan Brock Osweiler is running a distant third in Cleveland's quarterback race.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Jul 2 - 10:11 AM

Throw.........Rodgers didn't play early in his career because the Packers had Farve. It had nothing to do w/Rodgers not playing well.

I get what you're saying, but I see these two things as mutually exclusive. If he truly is not ready to play, then I do not see how he comes out of the off season as the best of the three. There has to be more to the evaluation process than physical ability (which is good news for CK). There is how they perform against our D in practice, how they perform in scrimmages, and how they perform in the preseason games.

I guess if it is a situation where he is the best by default, and more because the rest of the field sucked butt, then I can see your situation. But then we have bigger problems.

Frankly, this surprises me. I'm wondering how true this can possibly be, and what "distant third" really means.

That said, I won't be shocked to see Kizer starting day one. Protect him behind a decent O-line, with a run-heavy game plan, keeping his throws short to intermediate while occasionally stretching the field to bring him along slowly. I won't be surprised to discover this is ultimately what Hue wants to do.

So how do you see us using the Abs in pre-season?

I had a joke about sit ups ready to go but lost my train of thought.

The Antilock braking system is best used in winter and has little value in the pre-season.

I live in Toledo and disagree with this. #BrakeCheck

From everything I have read and heard, Kizer and Kessler have split all of the 1st team reps. Osweiller has taken only 2nd and 3rd team reps.

I firmly believe that our day 1 starter will be either Kessler or Kizer, and right now it sure looks like Kizer is making his move.

I'd guess Kessler "starts" with the first team, and Kizer ends up "winning" the job. I'd also guess all three get a shot at the first quarter of the first three pre-season games. Just to see what they can do.

I get that. I'm betting that Kizer is the starter game one. I just find it odd that both Kessler and Kizer could be that much ahead of Brock, and wonder how true it is.

I'm surprised too, the last I read on Brock was Hue was impressed with how well he was doing. I would be surprised if he really was 3rd.

I agree. Sounds like mary Kay in action. She is kind of like a cheerleader and always falls the the QB.

It naturally is in our best interest that all our QB's are doing well especially DK. If all make strides and do well I believe there is a good chance Brock will be traded. JMO

I'm less interested in what people say, and what reporters report than in how Hue showcases the QBs in the preseason. That will tell us a lot about future plans for Brock & Cody, IMHO.

It was big that Kizer was moving to the head of the line. whether or not Brock is learning is beside the point. Raw rookie, moved from back of the room to sitting in the front row in a time where vets should be way ahead just due to NFL experience. Brocks 3rd team. Cody's 2nd year in this playbook and Kizer was outplaying them.

I think part of that may be due to the reports that even in minicamps you couldn't get Cody to go deep. Other part is Kizer has played really well in the redzone.

Everyone looks good in shorts and T shirts, hope Kizer keeps improving, but long ways to go before Pitts game.....GO Browns!!!

Agreed............. Love what I hear about Kizer, but let's see how things go when the action livens up a little bit

I have no idea how these guys really performed or what the pecking order is. I will only say that the best thing for the Browns would be that they end up being ranked in this order:

Kizer
Osweiler
Kessler

If Cody ends up outperforming the other two, we are going to struggle to win 3 games this year and our future at the position remains a glaring point of concern.

We've disagreed about what Cody's possible ceiling is, which is fine. And I totally understand your argument about what his ability to push the ball downfield/throw outs to the sideline are. I think Cody can improve in these facets. It's not like he has to have a rocket arm, it's just getting more comfortable doing it and improving at it.

I think he has room to improve.

One of my biggest fears with Cody is his durability



So, for me, I'd really like to keep Brock on the team next year. Everyone is expendable, for sure. But unless Kevin Hogan looks like quite a stud in camp, i'd at least like to keep Osweiler here. He's shown the ability to stay healthy, that Cody has not.


And we have no idea whether or not Kizer will crumple in a game, even if he looks good in training camp. Consistency at the QB position is key.



And i'm just not completely sold on Kizer yet. He's got plenty of physical talent, but he had some major struggles last year at Notre Dame, and mechanics that have been improved upon can quickly be forgotten when you've got Terrelle Suggs coming after you. Not saying he'll be a failure, or that i'm upset about the pick.

I'm just saying, it could definitely take time for him to be ready, and there's nothing wrong with that.

So yeah, I'd at least like to keep Osweiler, unless we get offered some crazy deal in a trade for him (which I highly doubt). That or if Kevin Hogan somehow wins the starting job

Just to be clear. I was not making predictions. I was simply speaking of upside. I have no idea if any of the three will ever fulfill their potential upside. I was simply ranking them in terms of their upside.

Kizer has the most. Osweiler has quite a bit. Cody has almost none.

We have no idea what we have in Kizer but he certainly has the physical tools. His QB coach commented that he is not ready yet. So...when is yet?

We have seen BO in good and bad situations...I think Hue knows what he has in BO. He's unlikely to get much better...but that doesn't keep him from being our best option on Opening Day.

We have limited, reasonable info on Kessler due to last year's cluster. He & Hue both know his limitations and they have both publicly talked about them and Kessler's need to improve there.

The unknowns surrounding those three guys are all known. (Brain teaser.) How they overcome them will be the deciding factor(s). Any of those guys could start Opening Day and Hue would have perfectly valid reasons to do so.

I don't think Cody has a ton of upside either, but a solid defense and a good running game go a long way in helping an efficient QB like Cody win games. If those things improve, so will his win potential. We invested a lot in both trenches this year. I hope the investments pan out.

I just cant put faith in a QB that doesn't finish games. I like Cody, I believe he can be successful if he can stay healthy but man, he had atleast 3 concussions, the rib and chest thing. He has had more injuries than game played. Plus this is a vertical stretch scheme and he is a safet small ball QB.

The real competition is going to be between Kizer and Brock for opening day.

Correct on all accounts. If Cody ends up the starter, they failed on Brock and Kizer. We'll be in for a LONG season.

You may be correct. But size wouldn't help on cheap shots and scot-free defenders like this:

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/20/13692458/cody-kessler-browns-steelers-injury-concussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAwgOpRGz4

I'm not sure i could agree less with your post ... and that never happens with u ... guess theres a first time for everything ... *L*

If you actually believe that Cody Kessler is the best QB on the roster, God have mercy on our souls. lol

Define "best qb on our roster" ... thats a pretty general statement...

And ill take cody over bo every day of the week and twice on Sundays ... but thats another conversation ...