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The best QB on the roster would be the QB that the HC deems gives us the best chance to win. Coaches coach to win games.
They saw Cody start last year, as such they went out and drafted Kizer.
The HC publicly called out Cody to throw the ball downfield which he never did.
Hue said "trust me" about Cody. What I trusted is that he would draft another QB based on the evidence that Cody had shown on the field.
He did.
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I just cant put faith in a QB that doesn't finish games. I like Cody, I believe he can be successful if he can stay healthy but man, he had atleast 3 concussions, the rib and chest thing. He has had more injuries than game played. Plus this is a vertical stretch scheme and he is a safet small ball QB.
The real competition is going to be between Kizer and Brock for opening day. Long term is the key. Hue is supposed a great QB coach. He needs to make the call. I know this goes back, some may not even know who I am talking about, but Len Dawson wasn't good enough, but he ended up way more than good enough. I am sure Mac would be ripping on Paul Brown for cutting the guy.
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I think we'll see more reports of Brock doing exceedingly well. Personally, I think Sashi is still trying to get something for him. That contract bites at him every night.
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GREAT REPLY ... I'm not sure what it has to do with my question but GREAT SUMMARY ... FEEL FREE to answer my question at any point and then I'll respond ... til then carry on like CK was a finished product last year like some others want to pretend is a fact ...  ...
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While you may not have liked my answer I did answer your question. The best QB on our roster will be the QB Hue feels gives us the best chance to win. It's a simple answer but an accurate one.
I don't believe that any rookie is a finished product after one season. What I do feel safe in saying is that the coaching staff has a pretty good feel of how they believe a player will be able to do in filling the role that a coaching staff has in mind for that player.
Hue is a players coach in the respect that he gives players positive re-enforcement. Yet he publicly called Kessler out to push the ball downfield. Even after that, Kessler didn't do that.
Now when trying to do the basic math here, after the season ended, this FO invested in a higher drafted QB with a bigger arm that can do this. By all accounts this far, Kizer is learning quickly and is impressing this coaching staff.
Now I'm not going to try to predict which QB will be starting, but I do believe it will be someone better suited to accomplish the goal of loosening up the opposing D's more than anything we saw from Kessler.
Let's keep it real for a minute. Kessler was projected to be a late round draft pick. Most believe he could have been drafted much later. The opposite could be said for Kizer. There are reasons for that.
I will say it again, the HC knows what he needs in a QB. He sees them and evaluates them on a daily basis. The best QB you have on your roster is the QB the coach feels gives you the best chance to win.
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GREAT REPLY ... I'm not sure what it has to do with my question but GREAT SUMMARY ... FEEL FREE to answer my question at any point and then I'll respond ... til then carry on like CK was a finished product last year like some others want to pretend is a fact ... ... Yep, no doubt that Cody is going to grow 2-3 inches and develop a great arm. He was a rookie and all rookies grow taller and develop greater physical assets.
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Nah, he's not going to grow taller.
He may, MAY, have a stronger arm. But, 1 thing that SHOULD happen is the game slows down a bit for him. Isn't that what almost all second year players say?
He's got some experience under his belt. What he does with it will be the key, don't you think?
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While you may not have liked my answer I did answer your question. The best QB on our roster will be the QB Hue feels gives us the best chance to win. It's a simple answer but an accurate one.
I don't believe that any rookie is a finished product after one season. What I do feel safe in saying is that the coaching staff has a pretty good feel of how they believe a player will be able to do in filling the role that a coaching staff has in mind for that player.
Hue is a players coach in the respect that he gives players positive re-enforcement. Yet he publicly called Kessler out to push the ball downfield. Even after that, Kessler didn't do that.
Now when trying to do the basic math here, after the season ended, this FO invested in a higher drafted QB with a bigger arm that can do this. By all accounts this far, Kizer is learning quickly and is impressing this coaching staff.
Now I'm not going to try to predict which QB will be starting, but I do believe it will be someone better suited to accomplish the goal of loosening up the opposing D's more than anything we saw from Kessler.
Let's keep it real for a minute. Kessler was projected to be a late round draft pick. Most believe he could have been drafted much later. The opposite could be said for Kizer. There are reasons for that.
I will say it again, the HC knows what he needs in a QB. He sees them and evaluates them on a daily basis. The best QB you have on your roster is the QB the coach feels gives you the best chance to win. He was drafted in the 3rd Rd on a team with RG3 and McCown at QB. He was NEVER thought of as being a shoo-in or being irreplaceable.
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While you may not have liked my answer I did answer your question. The best QB on our roster will be the QB Hue feels gives us the best chance to win. It's a simple answer but an accurate one.
I don't believe that any rookie is a finished product after one season. What I do feel safe in saying is that the coaching staff has a pretty good feel of how they believe a player will be able to do in filling the role that a coaching staff has in mind for that player.
Hue is a players coach in the respect that he gives players positive re-enforcement. Yet he publicly called Kessler out to push the ball downfield. Even after that, Kessler didn't do that.
Now when trying to do the basic math here, after the season ended, this FO invested in a higher drafted QB with a bigger arm that can do this. By all accounts this far, Kizer is learning quickly and is impressing this coaching staff.
Now I'm not going to try to predict which QB will be starting, but I do believe it will be someone better suited to accomplish the goal of loosening up the opposing D's more than anything we saw from Kessler.
Let's keep it real for a minute. Kessler was projected to be a late round draft pick. Most believe he could have been drafted much later. The opposite could be said for Kizer. There are reasons for that.
I will say it again, the HC knows what he needs in a QB. He sees them and evaluates them on a daily basis. The best QB you have on your roster is the QB the coach feels gives you the best chance to win. He was drafted in the 3rd Rd on a team with RG3 and McCown at QB. He was NEVER thought of as being a shoo-in or being irreplaceable. Correct. In fact, if memory serves me, at the beginning of the season he was expected to see 0 playing time. Injuries happen, He got thrown into the mix. He did okay for a 3rd round player that wasn't expected to see the field. Last year is over though. If he gets beat out, so be it. I want the qb with the best chance to win being the one behind center.
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While you may not have liked my answer I did answer your question. The best QB on our roster will be the QB Hue feels gives us the best chance to win. It's a simple answer but an accurate one. Its not an answer ... whats your criteria for that? ... is it who starts game #1? .. is it who starts more games? ... is it who starts the last game? ... Cause i think Kizer is by far the best qb on our roster right now ... physically CK issn't even in the same orbit and BO isn't in the same hemisphere .... that don't mean he gives us the best chance to win week 1? ... or are u saying if CK starts week 1 he's the best qb on the roster? ... U really didn't answer it ... I don't believe that any rookie is a finished product after one season. If u quit there u may have had a leg to stand on .. but u had to go and prove the above is lip service ...  What I do feel safe in saying is that the coaching staff has a pretty good feel of how they believe a player will be able to do in filling the role that a coaching staff has in mind for that player.
Hue is a players coach in the respect that he gives players positive re-enforcement. Yet he publicly called Kessler out to push the ball downfield. Even after that, Kessler didn't do that. Ummm .. u see the contradiction there ... *L* And Hue's not perfect .. he messed that entire thing up ... Now when trying to do the basic math here, after the season ended, this FO invested in a higher drafted QB with a bigger arm that can do this. By all accounts this far, Kizer is learning quickly and is impressing this coaching staff. U thought we were done drafting QB's after taking Cody in the 3rd last year? ..  .. or are u saying that if RG3 and McCown weren't rag dolls last year and CK never saw game action last year we wouldn't have drafted Kizer this year .... .. .. Now I'm not going to try to predict which QB will be starting, but I do believe it will be someone better suited to accomplish the goal of loosening up the opposing D's more than anything we saw from Kessler. Obviously CK has to play better than he did last year ... duh ... i have no doubt he will ... question is ... how much better ... Let's keep it real for a minute. Kessler was projected to be a late round draft pick. Most believe he could have been drafted much later. The opposite could be said for Kizer. There are reasons for that. I agree with that ... I will say it again, the HC knows what he needs in a QB. He sees them and evaluates them on a daily basis. The best QB you have on your roster is the QB the coach feels gives you the best chance to win. I don't agree with that .... DK will be the best qb on our roster but he may not give us the best chance to win ...
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I look at Kessler and I see a young Hoyer. We won 7 games with Hoyer, and would have probably won more if Mack hadn't been hurt. But Hoyer couldn't throw downfield with any zip. I have a vivid memory of a wide open receiver with a clear path to the end zone actually falling down trying to slow down enough to catch his 20-yard pass.
Kessler will never be a guy to carry the team to victory, but I believe he will be a classic 'game manager' like Hoyer who can effectively use his play-makers to win games. That's a good backup.
My money is on Kizer developing into a good QB. Great? possible but he has a lot to prove before I will go there. But he has the tools.
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The difference between Hoyer and Cody is that Hoyer was not afraid to make throws.
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The difference between Hoyer and Cody is that Hoyer was not afraid to make throws. Agreed. Hoyer wasn't that accurate, but he had a pretty quick release, and he took shots. Like I said earlier in a post, this has been a knock on Cody from his college days. He simply doesn't push the ball down the field. (And like you said, and I've noticed, same with the out routes). He doesn't seem to like to throw the ball far. Instead, the middle of the field, short/medium passes are his bread and butter. He throws an incredible slant. Cody has to be willing to do this for us to be successful. Otherwise the defense will focus on a small portion of the field, and it'll make everything more difficult.
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The difference between Hoyer and Cody is that Hoyer was not afraid to make throws. Yes, Cody has some growing to do. I don't think Hoyer was very good his first year in the league, we saw him in what, his 6th?
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He does does throw the slant very well.
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The difference between Hoyer and Cody is that Hoyer was not afraid to make throws. Yes, Cody has some growing to do. I don't think Hoyer was very good his first year in the league, we saw him in what, his 6th? Sometimes, I think I speak a foreign language on here. Where have I ever said that Cody won't improve in certain aspects? Please show me! I have repeatedly said that his height and his weak arm are his problems. Are those two things going to change w/experience?
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I think Kizer is our best chance. I wouldn't be surprised if Cody is cut late in camp.
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Yeah as how long will it be before Kizer gets that chance if Cody messes up. Lot of potential for those two.
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Brock is a better option than Kessler imo. CK does not have an NFL arm. That will not change.
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The difference between Hoyer and Cody is that Hoyer was not afraid to make throws. Yes, Cody has some growing to do. I don't think Hoyer was very good his first year in the league, we saw him in what, his 6th? Sometimes, I think I speak a foreign language on here. Where have I ever said that Cody won't improve in certain aspects? Please show me! I have repeatedly said that his height and his weak arm are his problems. Are those two things going to change w/experience? I'm sure someone can find an article with stats about QBs getting taller... you know. With proper NFL Conditioning.
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I think Kizer is our best chance. I wouldn't be surprised if Cody is cut late in camp. Why would we cut Cody? He's a third round pick QB, on the cheap, who knows the offense? That just seems ridiculous to me EDIT: I dunno if "3rd Pick" makes sense in the post. Point is, he's young, he's had game experience, he knows the offense, he doesn't throw turnovers. He's a guy who can develop into a quality NFL Backup. We might not want him as our starter, but I certainly want him on the team
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I think Kizer is our best chance. I wouldn't be surprised if Cody is cut late in camp. Why would we cut Cody? He's a third round pick QB, on the cheap, who knows the offense? That just seems ridiculous to me EDIT: I dunno if "3rd Pick" makes sense in the post. Point is, he's young, he's had game experience, he knows the offense, he doesn't throw turnovers. He's a guy who can develop into a quality NFL Backup. We might not want him as our starter, but I certainly want him on the team Especially since QB's seem to get injured a lot around here. I really don't think we can under estimate Brock Oswieler. I've not seen a lot of him, but I did see how mad Elway was when he skipped out to Houston. He must have thought well of him. Let's face it, Elway knows the position well. I'm not sure what happened in Houston, but here, he went from being reportedly out to being in the mix. What did Hue Jackson see? We'll see I guess.. But just don't count him out yet.
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I really don't think we can under estimate Brock Oswieler.
I've not seen a lot of him, but I did see how mad Elway was when he skipped out to Houston. He must have thought well of him. Let's face it, Elway knows the position well.
I'm not sure what happened in Houston, but here, he went from being reportedly out to being in the mix. What did Hue Jackson see?
Agreed. Don't want to trade or cut him either. Mike Glennon gets 18.5 million guaranteed. We're paying Brock 16 million. We have gone through 3 QBs regularly. I've got no issue with seeing how Brock looks in Camp, and at least having him on the team as a backup. Of course, if there's a particularly good deal available for him, then my mind would change. But in general, I certainly don't want to cut or trade him for little value
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So you believe the HC should play a QB who he feels doesn't give the team the best chance to win. lmao
Do you even hear yourself right now?
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In this case ... ABSOLUTELY ... Kizer should not start week 1 even if he is the best qb on the team ... he needs to be developed ... not to be thrown to the wolves before hes ready ... I've been very consistent on that from day 1 ... If u think thats funny and illogical ... good for u ... its not like your not used to being wrong ...
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Anyone who says you shouldn't start your best QB shouldn't be giving out advice about being wrong.
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Thanks for YOUR consistency- but surely you are not stating your opinion is better than Hue's are you- IF Kizer wins QB competition in Hue's mind- JMHO, you don't SAVE someone to "marinade" if they are best player and HUE decides.....GO Browns
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Thanks for YOUR consistency- but surely you are not stating your opinion is better than Hue's are you- IF Kizer wins QB competition in Hue's mind- JMHO, you don't SAVE someone to "marinade" if they are best player and HUE decides.....GO Browns Since that's what I've been saying all along and he disagrees with me, it sounds like he would disagree with Hue too.
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Hue f'd up his handling of CK last year ... not in that he played him, he had no choice due to injury ... when he threw him under the bus was BRUTAL ... I REALLY HOPE HUE wishes he had a do over on that one ...
Am i saying my opinions better than hues? ... I'm not the idiot your question suggests i am ... ... hue gets to see them everyday ... we dont ... hues also not infallible .... he proved that in spades last year ... if he decides to start him I'll hold judgement on weather it was a mistake or not til it plays out ...
Ive said it before ... if BO starts it will be more an indictment of CK not improving ... BO SUCKS ... U GUYS CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON THE PIG BUT ITS STILL A PIG ...
If Kizer starts it will be an indictment of Judy how bad BO is and the fact CK didn't show enough ...
Kizer is not ready to start in an nfl game now and one TC and pre-season won't change that fact ...
IF and WHEN hue chooses him ... then we can have that discussion ... til then rip away at me ... I've got broad shoulders ... *L* ...
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Read your post, agree, can't believe he posted that- save best player so he can learn on sidelines- NO. Go Browns!!!!
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The offense designed for Flacco his rookie year by Cameron and Hue allowed Flacco to pass about 26 or 27 times a game. it was pound the rock, use some playaction and throw the bomb, if not available it was dump it down for what you can get. That's a bit of a generalization I know but that appeared to be their plan week in and week out.
This is what I expect hue to do with Kizer.
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Anyone who says you shouldn't start your best QB shouldn't be giving out advice about being wrong. I wasn't giving out advice ... i was pointing out a fact ... So u think hues infallible and is never wrong ... ok ... got it ... sounds just like the Pit we know and love ... I'm done here ... nuttin new gonna happen for awhile ... Enjoy bashing me boys ....
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save best player so he can learn on sidelines- NO There can be a big difference in the NFL, especially at QB, between being the best on the roster and being READY. Maybe he is the best on the roster, maybe he shows a ton of promise and Hue dreams about him every night and what he can accomplish... but if the OL is porous, if it looks like he's going to get killed weekly, develop bad habits, and LOSE that promise, which happens, then you sit him for his own safety... I'd much rather sacrifice a win or two this year for the safety of our QB of the future if that's what it takes. By all accounts, if our OL stays healthy, they should be pretty decent so I'm not sure this is going to be a big issue but it does take new OL pieces a while to gel... and if Kizer gets to sit for a while and watch that happen, I'm ok with that.
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So u think hues infallible and is never wrong ... ok ... got it ... sounds just like the Pit we know and love ... Infallible? No. But since he is the one who is making seven figures to sort out the QB position, he's really the only one qualified to make the call.
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IF you are best on your team at ANY position, ready has been answered- you the best, you PLAY. Was Cody ready last year, he was best available, Manziel READY- he didn't KNOW the playbook, played, check all NFL teams who played different QBs- ready isn't considered- NEXT MAN UP. If you are the best, you play.....GO Browns!!!
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Sorry Pitt and Hitt, sounds like a show somewhere  I can't believe you guys cant understand what Diam is saying. I agree with DC, just because he might seem to be the best QB (Kizer) does not mean that he's ready. How many QB's have we ruined over the years by throwing them to the wolves? Now if he seems ready and can handle the position then fine, but there is no reason to rush him and destroy him. Diam makes alot of sense I think you need to go back and re-read what he is saying. It's not that hard.
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I can't believe you guys cant understand what Diam is saying. I agree with DC, just because he might seem to be the best QB (Kizer) does not mean that he's ready. How many QB's have we ruined over the years by throwing them to the wolves? Now if he seems ready and can handle the position then fine, but there is no reason to rush him and destroy him. Diam makes alot of sense I think you need to go back and re-read what he is saying. It's not that hard. Exactly. The last time Kizer played a full season of football, he didn't always look ready to run the Irish offense...so we will throw him to the wolves at the NFL level if he isn't ready? That's flirtin' with disaster. We all want this guy - any guy actually - to step up and be our FQB. Just because we want something doesn't make it so. His own QB coach stated publicly at the end of OTAs that Kizer isn't ready. I think the better debate is about the definition of "ready" and the degree of readiness that must be obtained before starting a guy. It's sometimes more than just a thought of which guy gives us the best chance to win this coming week.
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I can't believe you guys cant understand what Diam is saying. I agree with DC, just because he might seem to be the best QB (Kizer) does not mean that he's ready. You seem to be missing my point. I'm not saying Kizer should be the starter. What I'm saying is very easy to understand for anyone willing to look at it. Hue is the HC. Hue works with these players on a daily basis. He sees them in the classroom, he sees them on the field. He gets paid a seven figure salary to make the decision of which players give this team the best chance to win. For me to sit here and say that if Hue thinks Kizer should be the starter, that I know more than Hue does would be foolish. I believe anyone who posts on this board to say that is foolish. How many QB's have we ruined over the years by throwing them to the wolves? Now if he seems ready and can handle the position then fine, but there is no reason to rush him and destroy him. Diam makes alot of sense I think you need to go back and re-read what he is saying. It's not that hard. I've read exactly what he's saying. The funny thing is, you're saying exactly what I'm saying, not diam.
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