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I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns were still interested in JG. I won't be surprised if the Browns take a QB with their 1st Rd pick next year. That's regardless of how well our current 3 guys perform this year.

This is simple.

I'd bet anything that Bellicheck tells Brady, Thanks for a good run. Time to move on.

Garoppolo takes over in 2018. Much like Luck for Manning.

I see no reason to fall in love with a guy another franchise holds the rights to.

(Jeanene Garoppolo, she made some movies about 12 years ago, holds political left wing views, may have done stand up comedy; was the only person I could think of.)

( Was Garoppolo the Pat's tight end, I guess there's that I've heard the name but I couldn't think of his first name for Nothing; was the 2nd thing I thought of.)

oh, time passes, Jimmy Garoppolo, the Patriots back up quarterback that many DT'ers wanted to hype as he should come to the Browns in this off-season to become the linch-pin <(can't be the right spelling) to lift the Browns out of the doldrums of the AFC North.

So, I'm supposed to believe he will not only come to Cleveland, but do something in Cleveland that he didn't do in New England.

Hope springs eternal.

And Brady goes where to lead them to a Super Bowl? Denver?
Wait? I've said in the past that Brady would have been nothing without Belichic, Bellichic's the juggernaut not Brady.
Actually, by this point they're probably in a symbiotic type relationship.

Tom Brady in Denver! x 3: Oh my freaking goodness!

EDIT! Bellichic could be the guy who cut Kosar, and Brady!! talk about going down in history!!

Here's my opinion after having 2-3 months since the draft to think ... I'm good with letting Kizer try to develop now. Early returns/reports are positive. He might end up being better than Jimmy G.

Worst case scenario: we suck, Kizer sucks, and we're back to the same spot next spring ... high draft picks, ammo, and Jimmy G as a possibility

" I've said in the past that Brady would have been nothing without Belichic"
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So that is your take on Brady??

I highly doubt any GM in the NFL would agree.

Does Belichick make the decisions post snap and make the throws?

I have a feeling that Kessler is going to start, and will surprise a lot of people, in a good way.

We'll see what happens.

None of u guys got it right AFTER last season ended ... so why your speculating now BEFORE TC has even started much less the season seems like a wild ass guess at best ...

When I was Putting that on there I wanted to "qualify" the word "nothing" but I didn't want to disrupt the way it reads.

Nothing, or not quite as good as he is, how about, he's great now, but early in his career he wouldn't have become as great without Bellichic and that Bellichic's genius in teaching, playcalling, and out thinking other coaches by knowing what to do offensively by giving a play that was set up to work really brought Brady along much of his early career. I think Brady showed something on his own, comebacks in the 4th quarter and such around the year 2014 and more recently; and that's not saying he wasn't great(ish) before that.
By this point, Bellichic and Brady are probably helping each others greatness together,
But I didn't want to qualify the word with a long read that is a hard point to understand, and just hoped to move on; I don't care that much about the Pat's team.

these constant threads of jimmy G reminds me of when lebron was a year from hitting FA, and the knicks and fans did nothing but talk non stop about ways to get him to NY.

only to be completely disappointed in the end.

the drafting of Kizer all but shut the door on jimmy g coming here. let it go.

Not even a little bit .... specualation is all we have on almost everything right now ... speculate away sir .... ...

With that said .. no need to speculate with me here .... u guys just don't realize how lucky u are to have me around ..

One of two things will happen ....

1. They cut Brady ....

2. They assign the franchise tag to JG and then work out a trade for him ... this is the option i called from day 1 LAST OFF SEASON that everyone LAUGHED AT ME FOR when i first suggested they may not let him go ...

I think it will be #1 ... but that depends on what they think of JG ... we really don't know that yet ... all keeping JG this year meant was they didn't think Brissett was ready to be Brady's back up ... thats really all we can glean from that RIGHT NOW ... if they let Brady go after the year ... then it means they really liked JG ....

At this stage, I'm convinced if it didn't happen day one of the draft combined with the extremely firm reports provided by Adam Sheftner (one of few to actually believe a little) - that it just is not ever going to happen.

I buy into Adam's fling and NE is just interested in keeping this guy. They find ways to extend the people they want, so I doubt they'll have any issues extending JG.

I dunno if they could just cut Tom Brady. I mean the PR ramifications from that get tricky. Brady is absolutely loved in the NE area.

But I did see number 2 coming as a major possibility. I don't know when I recognized it in the offseason, maybe when the Pats traded for Brandin Cooks, but the Patriots are going for another Superbowl run, and Jimmy G is the ultimate insurance policy. I mean, if Brady goes and breaks his collarbone mid to early-season, they need someone that can hold down the fort. Brissett didn't show himself to be that guy last year.

I sort of looked at what they did with Cassel and figured it'll be the same scenario. Plus, demand for QBs isn't going away ANY time soon. Next year, there will be an even bigger market, as the BigBen/Rivers/Eli class gets a year older, and as Carson Palmer gets older, and other teams find themselves needy at QB/the general needy ones (Browns, Jets, 49ers, Jacksonville, etc).

No reason not to wait till next year and trade him under the franchise tag.


Pushes the Brady/Garapollo question off a year, in case Tommy Terrific falls off a cliff.



But do you really think they can just cut Tom Brady? Really?

If they believe in JG .... ya ... i can see that happening ... Billicheck is all about today and tomorrow ... he's proven that over and over .... not sure why people would think this was different ....

Now ... thats worse case ..... IF they can give JG a 5 year deal or something like that and they tell him Brady has one year left then the teams yours ... then Brady plays 2 more years and he can leave hopefully still near the top of his game .... he can talk til hes blue in the face ... he'll be 41 or 42 in two more years ...... Mother Nature appplies to him also ...

I also don't know exactly what they think of JG ... we know they wanted him as their back up this year ... thats all we know at this point ....

BB will do whatever he thinks he needs to do for the betterment of the team, Tom Brady's iconic statue notwithstanding.

There is no doubt in my mind if he thinks its time for Brady to go, there will be a wink wink nod nod agreement between them tat will allow TB to leave "on his own terms".

I could see the above scenario happening just like Diam laid it out

JMO

+1, if you've never seen Football Life of Bill & Brady it is an unreal relationship...AND Brady knows Bill is all for good of team....JMHO, Garoppolo should not be on Browns radar, to much time spent with NE- and only tested some.....time will tell IF Browns still interested.....GO Browns!!!!

That is not how it went down. You kept saying that and I tried to correct you because you came to the discussion late, but you refused to listen.

I've let you go on this incorrect statement repeatedly, but you really need to stop making it. It isn't the truth.

I just don't believe there is any interest in JG by the Browns.

You said it yourself, we have Kizer,,, Potential. We have Oswieler, Who knows. If we get the guy that played for Denver, we might have a winner there. And we have Kessler.. Not bad, but not the stud we want.

And we have 2 firsts and 3 seconds in the next draft, (or is it 2 Seconds) and it's supposed to be a QB Rich draft.

We suddenly find ourselves in a very nice position. Why go after JG... Doesn't make sense to me.

Not to mention, if JG is all everyone thinks he is, and if Belichick thinks so also, he's not going anywhere.

I doubt we'll see anything this year. But maybe in the offseason. Like I've said, no benefit to trade JG at this point.

But once the offseason next year starts, the Pats will evaluate Brady and make their decision what to do with JG (who will be put under the franchise tag).


Lots of QB needy teams coming up next year. And there's a major supply and demand issue here. Just look at the age of the NFL Starters at this point. At least the good ones........ Theres gonna be a major change of the guard.

Luckily we have all these picks. That gives us options. We can trade up for a rookie. We can sign a guy like AJ McCaron or Kirk Cousins. We can trade for JG. Or we can draft a guy through one of our picks.


EDIT: Or we can recognize we already have our guy on the team, and just use our five 1st & 2nd round picks for other things than the QB position. lol

Kessler and the low ceiling comment is probably accurate.

But I don't know what we have in Oswieler. Do we have the one from Denver or Houston. All I know is that John Elway was acting pretty ticked off that when Brock took the Houston offer.

As for Kizer, yeah, I agree.. I think he's got a high ceiling. But until we see him in action, we won't know.

that still leaves us with a low ceiling guy on the cheap (kessler), A guy that has had success in this league but is rather expensive (Oswieler) and a rookie.

On top of that, we still have all those picks in the 1st two rounds next year.

I think we are actually in good shape for the long run, but short term, this could hurt.

J/C...

I have yet to see anything that indicates the Browns actually even want Garoppolo.

I still don't get the hype.

I, too, would fall into this camp.
At this point, he's just a guy - and one that will command an exorbitant salary relative to his experience level while still being pretty much an unknown in terms of capability, especially once you get him outside Belichick's system.

A big, gigantic, expensive Question Mark.





That doesn't strike me as fitting the mold for what this front office has been doing.

I say we roll with what we got this year. We have 3 guys that all need a good look over to see if their games' are something we can use. That's a lot of snaps and throws the coaching staff needs to scrutinize.

I say worry about acquiring QBs after the season ends. The draft could very easily give us what we need, as well as restarting the tired JG conversation.

j/c:

I think the "hype" that surrounds Garoppolo is because he is getting a lot of love from people who really know the game. They have watched his quick release, his accuracy, his ability to make a good decision quickly, his ability to go through progressions, etc.

He's impressed those who actually know the game more-so than guys who just spout things off w/out much knowledge or research.

I remember watching Grudin interviewing Mahommes this past off-season and he was getting on Mahommes a bit about if he could make quick reads and go through progressions. Grudin actually used a video of Garoppolo doing those things and said something like "it don't get any better than that" and he wondered whether or not Mahommes could do those things.

Thats the buety of it ... we'll find out over the next 3 or 4 years if not sooner ...

This is such a unique situation ... very curious as to how it plays out ...

No offense taken .. i dish it out so i expect to take it ... u never have to preface with me ... if i want to bite back it won't help ... *L* ..

I am however confused ... what did u take as me being political? ... my last post to U was me pointing out we'll find out just how good JG is over the next 3 or 4 years if not sooner ... cause then we will have a body of work on him either with NE or somewhere else ...

I'm guessing you took my post the wrong way ... either that or i just missed something i posted ...

Not sure where to put this so i figured this was as good a landing spot as any ...

Kirk Cousins - QB - Redskins

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the "strong indication" is Kirk Cousins will play out this season under the franchise tag.

RapSheet adds, "Both sides are OK with it." They have until Monday to work out a long-term deal, but no one seems to think it will happen. Both Adam Schefter and John Keim of ESPN have called it a "long shot" while NFL Network's Charley Casserly said he does not "see any way" a deal gets done. Considering it would cost Washington $34.5 million to tag Cousins next year, failing to reach a deal now will almost guarantee the quarterback hits free agency next spring.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Jul 13 - 8:34 AM

And shortly thereafter ..

Kirk Cousins - QB - Redskins

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the "strong indication" is Kirk Cousins will play out this season under the franchise tag.

RapSheet adds, "Both sides are OK with it." They have until Monday to work out a long-term deal, but no one seems to think it will happen. Both Adam Schefter and John Keim of ESPN have called it a "long shot" while NFL Network's Charley Casserly said he does not "see any way" a deal gets done. Considering it would cost Washington $34.5 million to tag Cousins next year, failing to reach a deal now will almost guarantee the quarterback hits free agency next spring.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Jul 13 - 8:34 AM

Ok .. now i understand .. they won't let me have two signatures so your stuck with it .. sorry ...

Cousins definetly has to enter into the picture .. he an entirely different than JG ...

- hes proven it in the NFL over years where as JG is in limited limited starts ..

- we won't have to give up any picks ...

Granted he'll cost more but we have TONS OF CASH if we want him ...

Lots of interesting and unique scenarios ... when was the last time a FA QB of his caliber hit the open market? ..

J/C

I'm not one that's interested in trading for a QB project. JG isn't proven and Cousins, well he's maybe a step up from JG who knows for sure.

Build by the draft, and please stop trading away picks we have in the top 15. We may just get THAT franchise QB or at least we'll get top talent instead of second rate NFL talent like we've been getting for years.