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It is the first link directly to the inner circle. Rather it's enough to be considered a crime is up in the air, but it's definitely enough to support impeachment. Let's see how the republicans react... Many of the GOP were not happy with Trump/Putin meeting.

Wait - 3 anonymous sources are enough to support impeachment? Wow, hope you don't ever sit on a jury trial.

And who would be impeached? Jr? He doesn't have an impeachable job as he's not employed by the gov't.

And what would the impeachment be for?

Ah, hell, impeach him anyway, right? No sense in letting the investigation go on. Impeach, today. Based on Goldstone and 3 anonymous sources.

I think it is a load of nothing but Lord knows there are enough investigators in Washington right now to find out for sure.

Okay, maybe not for Trump Jr as he served no official capacity in the campaign...

However in the second article about what lead to these emails we get


Link

This involves a former campaign manager who got the axe, yes that synonymous with resignation, and the son in-law with some position built on nepotism.

The connections don't stop there as we see that...

As reported back in May

This is what probably was being looked at. Kushner and Manafort just recently disclosed this after hand waving about Russia stuff.

Just how many Russians does the Trump team need to meet with?

Yea but you are missing a key bit of info.

Kushner and Manafort were invited to a meeting by Jr and Jr didn't tell them what the meeting was about. He just asked them to come.

Time and the thousands of investigators will get us an answer.

What are you trying to say? That because the he information isn't related to the hacking of emails that Jr didn't do anything wrong?

So if someone broke into your house, but didn't find what they were looking for, are you suggesting that no crime was committed?

Woah, good discussion from you. It must be a full moon?

If they found out at the meeting what it truly was about, wouldn't that make them liable to report about it? I'm not sure "well, I didn't know..." is a defense against possible treasonous acts.

Hey rocket.

Let's say the election is going on, and Chelsea went to the Russians to try and get dirt on trump, would 40 and arch be cool with it too?

Well if it showed that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is truly a Kenyan born islamic cleric driving socialist idelology looking to destroy America through Sharia Law, maybe.

They'd for sure sign off on it if it exposed where Hillary's secret pizza lair is, and dove deeper into that silly story about Seth Rich.

So to answer your question.....maybe?

Actually they all said the woman and the conversation were a bit strange and Jr was disappointed she had nothing. That is when the conversation of trying to get the adoption of Russian Children by American parents, which Russia had stopped, became the topic.

Yup.

So Jr attempted to collude with the Russians, had every intent, but because he didn't get anything, it's all good?

I thought lying was a sin in the Bible?

I'll take "politicians that said idiotic things for 500, Alex."

Here are some answers to the other questions in the category:

Bill Clinton denied sexual relations with an intern.

Flynn denied Russian connections.

Sessions denied meeting with Russians.

You are always looking to lock up Trump.
What Arch and I have to say is irrelevant.
Just like you are irrelevant to us.

As Jr said, "Yea, like I am the first person to ever look for dirt on an adversary."

Jr. didn't do anything wrong, according to what we know now.

Yup, he supposedly went to this meeting to get "dirt" on hillary and the dnc being financed in some part by the russians.

Show me the crime.

Anywoo

Jr is gonna need a really good lawyer. Cause that's a criminal charge. If he isn't already under investigation too.

You conservatives told me that if I voted for Hillary, I would have a president under federal investigation.

I voted for Hillary, and now there's a president under federal investigation.

Y'all really nailed it. Just got the wrong person.

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

Collusion

Link

No, not a criminal charge.

Did you ever talk to a lawyer in Germany?

Same deal, private citizens can talk to whoever they want and Jr is a private citizen, not part of the campaign or the administration.

You sure?

Something tells me this is about to get super worse than what you're alluding too.

But in trump land, of course there's nothing to see here. Lol, go down with the ship if you want to. The captain sure isn't.

That's neat.

Private citizen, trying to get information does not equal collusion no matter how hard some want to press it.

Come on, with all your education, you should know that.

(by the way, son of a friend spent 2 weeks in Alaska playing baseball, and, un known to me, my parents are in Alaska right now.)

This is America last time I looked, the Nation of Laws.

I get the "not part of campaign" part.

What you and 40 seem to miss is that Manafort and Kushner both attended the meeting, and failed till disclose it until pressed by the recent reporting.

The initial story from them, after the scoop said the initial counter story was wrong, went "well, it was weird". Now this new story tonight scooped it further with "actually, they knew the real reason".

Manafort had a position in the campaign, and Kushner holds a title bestowed by nepotism. They knew what it was about, and that's an active element of treason.

The FBI started looking into Kushner a long time ago, and I feel this is a smaller piece to a much larger picture.

Lawyer up!! Who's next to ask for immunity or plea the fifth? Flynn was the first to fall.

This is pathetic. The whole family and campaign was on stage and all over tv talking about how corrupt Hillary is.

They are making Nixon look like all He did was teepee a house on Halloween

Very possible. That's why I think that Goldstone should testify and name his 3 (or, the articles 3) anonymous sources.

Anonymous works great for writing biased articles. It doesn't work in front of congress. (or a court of law), despite what the haters want to think.

I think things are going great in this investigation. There is now a name that can be questioned. (Goldstone - the writer for a British tabloid).

However, what too many haters are ignoring is, the meeting was, according to the anonymous sources, about the russians funding hillary and the dnc.

There was, apparently, no info on that in the meeting.

Collusion? My God, for people to assume that based on that article? In my best mike tyson voice: Ludicrous.

If there's some proof somewhere, let's find it.

Like I said, we now know Goldstone's name. Interview him, get the "anonymous" people named, and interview them.

That would be great.

I wonder if mueller pulled the financial records from duetsche bank yet.

Jesus, trump supporters. I have two daughters who are better at getting their story straight than this administration.

There is absolutely zero cohesion amongst them. Everybody is clearly doing their own thing in DC. No consistent message, constant flip flops and contradictions.

Thanks to trump supporters, trump has turned the oval into the real housewives of D.C. Reality show:

Sanders contradicts Trump on whether sanctions were discussed with Putin

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/trump-putin-sanctions-meeting/index.html?ref=yfp

Washington (CNN)White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Monday President Donald Trump did discuss sanctions related to Russian election meddling when he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin last week, directly contradicting what the President said a day earlier.

"I do know that it was mentioned, specifically," Sanders said at an off-camera briefing with reporters. "There were sanctions specific to election meddling that I believe were discussed, but not beyond that."
Asked if Trump's view of sanctions against Russia changed after he met with Putin, Sanders said, "Not that I am aware of."
The life and death of Trump's 'cyber security unit' plan with Putin
The life and death of Trump's 'cyber security unit' plan with Putin
Her statement contradicts what Trump tweeted the day before, when he said sanctions were not discussed during his two-hour meeting with Putin at the G20 summit in Germany Friday.
"Sanctions were not discussed at my meeting with President Putin. Nothing will be done until the Ukrainian & Syrian problems are solved!"

"My understanding is the President's tweet was referencing sanctions regarding Ukraine and Syria. My comment was on sanctions regarding election meddling," Sanders said later, when asked for clarification.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, the only other US official in the room for the meeting, said Trump told Putin how members of Congress were pushing for additional sanctions against Russia over the election issue.
"But I think what the two presidents, I think rightly, focused on is, how do we move forward? How do we move forward from here?" Tillerson said Monday during a separate briefing with reporters.
Then-President Barack Obama sanctioned four Russian individuals and five Russian entities in January for their efforts to influence the 2016 election. His administration expelled 35 Russian diplomats from the United States and closed two Russian compounds it said were used for Russian intelligence activities.

Watergate lawyer discusses your counterpoint.

Basically, he's in trouble due to even having the meeting. The result of what was talked about doesn't matter.

This also would most likely fall on Manafort and Kushner, too. Not sure Trump could protect himself with "well, I didn't know! I was just out talking about crooked Hillary."

Only just checked out The Politics board! What A Hoot. . . And At a Time When the Country is More Divided Than Ever.

Here's My Two Cents On a Tablet That Keeps Capitalizing My Words ...

Nothing Has Been Proven Regarding Trump .... Other Than He is A Loose Cannon.

But Anyone Who Wants To Pretend That There Is "nothing To see Here" isnt Living In The Real World. The Number Of Individuals who 'forgot' They Met With Russians Is Ridiculous. The Continuous Changing And Re-changing Of Stories is alarming. . . Proves Nothing But It Warrants scrutiny. There is so much that smells. . . The Idea Trump Wouldnt Know About The Meeting With This russian Lawyer Is Fanciful.

How The Attorney General Has A job At All Based On His Testimony and woeful memory is alarming.

Why Trump asked everyone to Leave The Room So He Could Speak To Comey Alone Is Alarming. . . did Comey say he talked or met with Obama once in all his time in office, and then with Trumps he's calling, dining and then ushering others out of the oval office to talk to him alone? And Trumps never asked him about who attacked the usa ... Only about clearing his name and seeing Flynn investigations dropped? Alarming.

Trumps unwillingness to Accept The US intelligence universal conclusion that Russia is behind election interference is alarming.

Everyone lawyering up is alarming.

There's just so much it's not even funny. funny is Trump talking about a cyber security partnership with the ruskies!!! Oh hang on, that's not actually funny... Just stupid.

Give it a few years and maybe we'll learn the truth. I'd love to think that it will come out before that but I just don't see it.

In some of the discussion on this thread I saw comments about the DNC not allowing access to their servers. I saw talk about Hilary. . . . And while I agree the DNC are culpable for not giving access and are getting just rewards in some respects ... And I think what Hilary did was criminal and she was a TERRIBLE candidate ..... It does nothing to reduce or diminish all the questions about Trump.

I think Trump is a child like bully, I think he has zero idea of how to lead or govern. None of that matters to his base, in fact I think that's why they love him. He does have some good people in place and I hope they steady the ship. Whether he committed any crime or whether his team have ... I don't know but I think there is enough to think it's worth investigating ... What's disappointing is when a universally respected individual like Mueller suddenly gets vilainized by right because they are paving the way to try and undermine his findings if it's negative.

I hate the media exaggerations and sensationalism... But that's the times I guess.

Opps sorry bout that, I thought I had the blinds closed.

When I see the email and know that it's validated, then I'll believe it.

I want it to be true, I just need real proof.

You are so Naive.

Regardless of the reason for the meeting, Kushner, Manafort and Donald Jr. met with a russian lawyer. THere was some communications between that trio and russians.

When asked if they had had discussions with Russians, they all denied it (I think except Kushner, he may have admitted it right away, not sure)

For that reason alone, they should be investigated.

However, what too many haters are ignoring is, the meeting was, according to the anonymous sources, about the russians funding hillary and the dnc.




Ironic...

according to the "anonymous sources", about the russians funding hillary and the dnc.

Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr linked to investigation group behind salacious Steele Dossier

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/...n-a7834541.html

Yeah, those pesky Republicans.

Before long Trump may tweet that he is partnering with ISIS to defeat terrorism.

or partner with Boko Haram to push for women's rights.

'Fox & Friends' Walks Back Debunked Report About James Comey

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-fox-friends-apos-walks-122426598.html

fox news walking back a story? i'm shocked, simply SHOCKED lmfao

'They wanted it so badly': The Russian lawyer who met with Trump Jr. denies having information on Hillary Clinton

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wanted-badly-russian-lawyer-met-115500009.html

The Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. during the 2016 US presidential campaign has denied any connections to the Russian government and said Trump's inner circle was "longing" for info on the Democratic National Committee.

"It is quite possible that maybe they were longing for such an information," Natalia Veselnitskaya told NBC News in an interview aired on the "Today" show.

"They wanted it so badly that they could only hear the thought that they wanted."

However, Veselnitskaya told NBC that she had no information on the DNC or Hillary Clinton.

Trump Jr. was reportedly told in an email that damaging information he was expecting to receive at the meeting about Hillary Clinton was part of a Russian effort to help his father's campaign.

"Media & Dems are extremely invested in the Russia story. If this nonsense meeting is all they have after a yr, I understand the desperation!" Trump Jr. tweeted Tuesday.

A report from The New York Times on Monday night cited three people who had knowledge of the email, which the paper said was sent by Rob Goldstone, a music publicist who represents the son of a wealthy Azerbaijani-Russian developer and is friendly with the Trump family.

The three people with knowledge of the email whom The Times cited told the paper that Goldstone's message indicated Russia was the source of the damaging information.

If the information in The Times' latest report is true, it "indicates that the Trump campaign certainly knew that the Russian government was working to help elect Donald Trump," said Jens David Ohlin, an associate dean at Cornell Law School and an expert on criminal law.

Ohlin said the development means Trump and his associates can no longer credibly deny that Russia meddled in the election.

"They knew it, and hoped to benefit from it. And they did," Ohlin said.

Veselnitskaya is considered to have strong ties to the Kremlin. She is married to a former deputy transportation minister of the Moscow region, and her clients have included Russian state-owned businesses.

Alan Futerfas, Trump Jr.'s attorney, said the new report was "much ado about nothing."

"During this busy period, Robert Goldstone contacted Don Jr. in an email and suggested that people had information concerning alleged wrongdoing by Democratic Party front-runner, Hillary Clinton, in her dealings with Russia," Fterfas said in a statement. "Don Jr.'s takeaway from this communication was that someone had information potentially helpful to the campaign and it was coming from someone he knew. Don Jr. had no knowledge as to what specific information, if any, would be discussed."

Veselnitskaya met with Trump Jr., as well as Trump's son-in-law and now senior adviser Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, in June 2016, weeks after clinching the Republican nomination.

She said that Kushner was only in the meeting for "seven to ten minutes," and Manafort was on his phone and "never took any active part in the conversation."

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this part:

"They wanted it so badly that they could only hear the thought that they wanted."

yikes.

also, what's that....twice already Kushner failed to disclose meeting with a russian?

kushner IS a government employee now. oops. not a good look.

You mean they had to backtrack like the N.Y. times did? Hmmm.. Wonder if people will call them fake news too now?