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Emails reveal Trump Jr. offered info on Clinton to show 'Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump'


Chad Day and Eric Tucker
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nald Trump Jr. eagerly accepted help from what was described to him as a Russian government effort to aid his father's campaign with damaging information about Hillary Clinton, according to emails he released publicly on Tuesday.

The email exchange posted to Twitter by President Donald Trump's eldest son shows him conversing with a music publicist who wanted him to meet with a lawyer from Moscow. The publicist describes the lawyer as a "Russian government attorney" who has dirt on Clinton as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump." In one response, Trump Jr. says he would "love" to hear more.

Trump Jr., who was deeply involved in his father's presidential campaign, released the emails along with a statement describing the disclosure as an effort "to be totally transparent." The emails with publicist Rob Goldstone show that Trump Jr. was told that the Russian government had information that could "incriminate" Clinton and her dealings with Russia.

The messages were the latest disclosure to roil the ongoing investigation into potential coordination between Trump's campaign and Russia, which U.S. intelligence agencies have said sought to influence the outcome of the election in Trump's favor. As congressional committees and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, a former FBI director, investigate, the emails will almost certainly be reviewed for any signs of potential campaign collusion with the Kremlin, which the White House has repeatedly denied.

Mueller spokesman Peter Carr declined to comment on the emails, citing the ongoing investigation.

The White House didn't immediately respond to requests for comment. Vice President Mike Pence wasn't aware of the meeting, his spokesman Marc Lotter said in a statement that stressed the meeting took place before he was part of the campaign.

The actions described in Trump Jr.'s emails brought swift and firm reaction from Democrats, including a key member of the Senate intelligence committee.

"These emails show there is no longer a question of whether this campaign sought to collude with a hostile foreign power to subvert America's democracy," said Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon.

Read Trump Jr emails: link

In the emails, Goldstone wrote to Trump Jr. that the information "would be very useful to your father." Goldstone was working to connect Trump Jr. to Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya, who later met with Trump Jr. in New York at Trump Tower. Veselnitskaya has denied that she ever worked for the Russian government.

"If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer," Trump Jr. replied to Goldstone in one of a series of email exchanges the younger Trump posted to Twitter.

The emails, dated early June, show Goldstone telling Trump that singer Emin Agalarov and his father, Moscow-based developer Aras Agalarov, had "helped along" the Russian government's support for Trump. The elder Agalarov was involved with Trump in hosting the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. The two men also had preliminary discussions about building a Trump Tower in Moscow that fell through. Trump also appeared in a music video with the younger Agalarov.


In his email, Goldstone says that the "Crown prosecutor of Russia" offered to provide the information on Clinton to the Trump campaign in a meeting with Aras Agalarov. There is no such royal title in the Russian Federation, but Goldstone — who is British — may have been referring to the title given to state prosecutors in the United Kingdom.

In Russia, the top justice official is Prosecutor General Yury Chaika, the equivalent of the attorney general in the United States. Chaika is longtime confidant of Vladimir Putin who was directly appointed by the Russian president.

Representatives for the Agalarovs didn't immediately respond to requests for comment. Attempts to reach Chaika at his office Tuesday were unsuccessful.

In one of the emails, Goldstone said he could send the information about Clinton to Trump's father first directly "via Rhona," an apparent reference to the elder Trump's longtime assistant, Rhona Graff, from his days at the helm of the Trump Organization.

The email release followed days of evolving accounts from Trump Jr. about the nature of the meeting and its purpose. The president's son posted the emails only after they were obtained by The New York Times.

On Saturday, Trump Jr. described the encounter as being a "short introductory meeting" focused on the disbanded program that had allowed American adoptions of Russian children. Moscow ended the adoptions in response to Magnitsky Act sanctions created in response to alleged human rights violations in Russia.

A day later, Trump Jr. changed his account, acknowledging that he was told beforehand that Veselnitskaya might have information "helpful" to the Trump campaign, and was told by her during the meeting that she had something about Clinton.

In his third description of what occurred, on Tuesday, Trump Jr. said he had believed the information he would hear about Clinton would be political opposition research. He said that he first wanted to speak by phone, but that when that didn't work out, he was told that the attorney would be in New York "and I decided to take the meeting."

"The woman, as she has said publicly, was not a government official," Trump Jr. said in the Tuesday statement. "And, as we have said, she had no information to provide and wanted to talk about adoption policy and the Magnitsky Act."

The Trump Organization has confirmed the authenticity of Trump Jr. posts on Twitter releasing the email chain.

Associated Press writers Nekesa Mumbi Moody in New York, Julie Bykowicz and Michael Biesecker in Washington, and Nataliya Vasilyeva in Moscow contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2017, Chicago Tribune

Well, on one hand, you have to give him credit: He released the e-mails.

The person that Donald Trump Jr. met with was not part of the Russian government. Here's his full statement:

To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails with Rob Goldstone about the meeting on June 9, 2016. The first email on June 3, 2016 was from Rob, who was relating a request from Emin, a person I knew from the 2013 Ms. Universe Pageant near Moscow. Emin and his father have a very highly respected company in Moscow. The information they suggested they had about Hillary Clinton I thought was Political Opposition Research. I first wanted to just have a phone call but when that didn't work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet. I decided to take the meeting. The woman, as she has said publicly, was not a government official. And, as we have said, she had no information to provide and wanted to talk about adoption policy and the Magnitsky Act. To put this in context, this occurred before the current Russian fever was in vogue. As Rob Goldstone said just today in the press, the entire meeting was "the most insane nonsense I ever heard. And I was actually agitated by it."

Yeah, really. My, how quickly some forget.

Question: was jr. asked for the e-mails, ever, at any time?

Also, how did the nyt get them?

I see it differently...

If I am accused of something and wish to be completely honest about it, I will tell the truth as I know it once accused.

The next day I may remember something else about the incident which I will add to that truth.

As time goes by and questions are asked, I may remember other things and wish to add those to the truth.

Honest men will continue to put those truths together to reach a final conclusion. The search for truth drives these men.

Dishonest men will point and accuse and say I am flip flopping in order to deceive. Hate drive those men.

One more thing is that Trump Jr. was not running for office. He was a civilian and was fully within his rights to take such a meeting. At worst it's a bad look and maybe he deserves some criticism for that. However, the Russian controversy had yet to be invented at that point. It's kind of hard to place blame on him for that.

Oh, but some already have collusion AND treason on their minds/agendas.

I just have to echo something similar to what I saw arch post this morning.

Investigating this matter is fine. Whatever the results are, fine.

But trying to point to guilt before we know all of the facts is not fine.

If his intent for having the meeting was to meet with a foreign entity to gather information to help influence the election, there may be a problem. I'm not sure.

But it takes people that know the law to sort all of this out. I'm certainly not qualified to know the answers.

Attack anyone in the media lately? - constantly, lol

He did get a couple Twitter digs in on John Podesta and and Chelsea Clinton lately, probably a coincidence but who knows.

Do you even remember the amount of money that foreign governments donated to the Clinton Foundation? We're talking $10,000,000+ from Saudi Arabia alone. How is that acceptable, but Trump's son taking a brief meeting with a lawyer from Russia, who according to a third-party source may have information about the Clintons is not?

The bias probably bothers me more than anything. Where were liberals when Ukraine was openly supporting Clinton, or that disgruntled intelligence guy (Steele) was making up stuff that was damaging to Trump? At least make a token effort at maintaining some consistency.

Ukraine meddled in our election to get Hillary elected?

I missed that part during the election. Have a link?

From January: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

[more in the link]

too late. He lied, lock him up.

The Latest: President Trump applauds son's 'transparency'


Tuesday, July 11th 2017, 2:39 pm EDT
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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Latest on the ongoing investigations into possible collusion between Trump campaign associates and Russia (all times local):

2:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., is "a high-quality person," and he applauds "his transparency."

Not really, we know Flynn lied, Sessions lied, Jr lied, Kushner lied... They all lied about meeting with Russian's during the campaign. Lock em up.

Yeah applaud him for lying then for being transparent when caught. Good one. Lock him up.

Does the same hold true for hillary? And for all the tax cheats in the O administration? And for the irs people that lied?

But, I suppose you will say "well, that's different."

We do know they all lied in their disclosure forms. I'm not sure if that is a criminal offense. Once again, I'm not an attorney.

Just because "lock her up" was the rallying cry of the GOP doesn't mean I'm going to mock something I feel was stupid.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand why some will choose to. But on a personal level, I don't plan to stoop to silly rhetoric because others did.

To each their own and I'm not trying to change your mind or put you down for it. It's just not for me.

Go for it...Lock em all up.

Trump Jr. will speak with Sean Hannity on Fox News at 10pm Eastern tonight. Should be an interesting watch.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/11/do...-lawyer-meeting

Yeah interesting if you like listening to a liar who's been caught and trying to spin his way out going to jail. Lock him up.

so does that mean i have you on record for saying that ukraine preferring hillary is the same as the russians actually hacking us because they preferred trump?

you realize that's not even remotely the same, right?

boy oh boy oh boy lmao.

go down with this ship if you want to, Haus. your integrity continues to sink.

What for? What's the charge?

But I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night and I play one on Dawg Talkers Message Boards!

It's a felony too lie on a Security Clearance form.

anyways,

wonder if Jr is willing to fall on the sword for this.

or does he start singing like a bird?

real housewives of DC is heating up!!

He has to if he wants to eat anything but soup for now on.

"Conspiring with a foreign adversary to influence or undermine an election" Lock him up

No, you do not have me on record as saying those are the same things because I did not say that. You asked for info about Ukraine meddling and I linked you to a piece that describes it.

I'm not sure where you would imply that I think it's the same... clearly there are differences/peculiarities with the two situations that make them at least somewhat different.

The point was more about bias, how one got almost no play at all (you hadn't even heard about it) and the other has been pushed hard for the better part of a year.

i don't like what ukraine did at all.

and if actions were taken then it's whatever.

but again, ukraine didn't hack the rnc and trump in order to try and rig the election in hillary's favor.

and the biggest difference of them all: chelsea wasn't involved with trying to get info from ukraine on trump.

ukraine and russia, just like all other countries, will have their preferred candidate when it comes to the oval office. everybody is gonna support a candidate who they feel will help their own cause indirectly.

but unless you have proof that they hacked the rnc and trump, unless you have proof that chelsea met with some random unkrainian lawyer to get dirt on trump,

then guess what haus? all you are doing is deflecting from the MAIN issue, which involved TRUMP and HIS people. because he's the one who is president.

so deflect, spin, do whatever. it doesn't change the FACT that this is about trump's connection to russia. that's what the investigation is all about, bruh.

go down with the ship if you want. don't expect anybody to save you when you start drowning.

i just wonder if he's actually willing too, though.

he's a severely privileged dude with no hardship in life.

guys like him, even the hint of actual jail time would make most start singing like a bird.

Lawmakers call for questioning Donald Trump Jr. over Russia meeting

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawmakers-call-questioning-donald-trump-jr-russia-meeting-151302219.html

Members of both parties are calling on Donald Trump Jr. to cooperate with congressional investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election, after the latest round of revelations about his meeting with a Russian lawyer.

The New York Times reported Monday night that Trump Jr. had been informed in advance that his meeting with a Russian lawyer in June 2016 was part of a broader effort by the Russian government to boost his father’s candidacy.

The younger Trump then released emails Tuesday showing potentially incriminating information about the encounter. The messages show Trump Jr. took the meeting with what he thought was a Russian government lawyer “as part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

“Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer,” Trump Jr. responded.

The younger Trump was joined at the meeting by top campaign officials Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort, the Times reported, and the emails were apparently forwarded to both men.

Trump Jr. initially said on Saturday that the meeting concerned the adoption of Russian children by Americans, before modifying his account the next day to acknowledge that he was told lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya may have “helpful” information for the campaign, reportedly about the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

But in his account of the meeting, Veselnitskaya did not provide information about Clinton.

‘No details or supporting information was provided or even offered,” he said in a statement Monday. “It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said on CNN’s “New Day” that the latest revelation is “stunning” and that those involved in the meeting need to work with the committee’s investigation.

“All of these participants will have to come before the committee,” Schiff said Tuesday.

Trump Jr.’s explanation for the meeting has evolved since news of the meeting was first reported, which Schiff said raised concerns.

“The explanations continue to shift, of course not just for Donald Jr. but for many in the Trump orbit, and all of it raises a lot of alarm bells,” he said, although he declined to label the incident as “collusion.”

Schiff’s Senate counterparts echoed his concerns, and members of both parties said Trump Jr. should also be interviewed as part of their separate investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.


Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., at a hearing in June 2017 where the Senate Select Intelligence Committee listened to testimony on Russian intervention in U.S. and European elections. (Photo: Win McNamee/Getty Images)
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Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., vice chair of the Intelligence Committee, said Monday afternoon he would “absolutely” want to speak with Trump Jr., a position a spokesperson said was unchanged after the most recent development.

“This is the first time that the public has seen clear evidence of senior level members of the Trump campaign meeting Russians to try to obtain information that might hurt the campaign of Hillary Clinton,” Warner told reporters.

Others echoed Warner’s remarks, including Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif, who said that Trump Jr. should publicly testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“It’s a dead bang case that should be before the Judiciary Committee right now,” she said, adding, “This is aired front page in the newspapers. It should be aired front page in the U.S. Senate.”

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, said Tuesday Trump Jr. will testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee but gave no timetable for that process. The top member of that committee, Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., told reporters he had read the emails but would not say if he planned on calling Trump Jr. to answer questions.

One of the Democrats on the Intelligence Committee, Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, said in a statement “there was no question” after reading the emails that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

“It is now up to elected officials of both parties to stand up and do their duty: protect and defend the Constitution,” Wyden said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters that the emails were “disturbing” and that Trump Jr. “definitely” should testify.

“Any time you’re in a campaign and you get an offer from a foreign government to help your campaign, the answer is ‘no,’” he said.

The Senate Intelligence Committee is beginning to privately interview lower-ranking members of the Trump campaign this week as part of its investigation. The House committee is also in the process of setting up meetings with former campaign staffers.

Trump Jr. has indicated in recent days that he would be open to meeting with the committees, tweeting Monday that he was “happy to work with the committee to pass on what I know.”

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hmmm

Do you even remember what the DNC hack was about? That had nothing to do with the Wikileaks/Podesta emails!

It was something completely different and contained mostly boring stuff like donor information and such that nobody cared about. The networks hardly reported on it and there's no you could try to call it 'rigging' the election.

When you say "hacking" or especially "rigging" the election, that implies that actual votes were changed and there is no evidence to suggest that is what happened.

About those Podesta emails, the funny thing about all of this is one of the things they showed over and over again was collusion between the Democratic party and the mainstream media. It's convenient that you always seem to forget about that part. The DNC favoring Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders in the primaries was another "inconvenient" discovery in those emails.

The actual behavior that was exposed was indefensible so they've had to resort to attacking the source (or who they think is the source. I don't believe the Wikileaks source has ever been revealed-- again, this was a different breach than the DNC hack.)

You're right, it is two different things. Can't compare the two...

Frankly, I'm not really sure what, exactly, this argument is about anymore. If we're discussing Russia's role in the election, then yes, comparing Russia's interference and Ukraine's interference is silly. If we're talking about what Trump Jr. did vs what Ukraine did for Hillary, then there are many similarities (and the point about how the Ukraine thing got no play while we can't avoid hearing about Trump Jr's meeting is valid).

umm, but that's what happened.

also, russia HACKED us. that's about as straightforward as you can get, Haus. there's no spin to that, dude. that's a straight up blunt meaning.

as far as rigging, i dunno how many different ways needs to be explained to you, but when people say rigged, they are implying what the intelligence community said the russians did: got into accounts and other social media outlets to spread a false narrative that could undermine clinton, as well as other things.

also, did you already forget?

Report: Russia Launched Cyberattack On Voting Vendor Ahead Of Election

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/05/531649602/...ead-of-election

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lemme guess, you're gonna give the classic "i didn't know about this" excuse you typically give when information is given to you.

this was already posted on the board, by the way, a while back.

so apparently they literally tried to get into our systems. it doesn't matter if they were successful or not, that's a freaking crime.

the only thing indefensible is you defending any of these actions, knowing full well if the shoe was on the other foot and this was clinton, you'd be burning her at the stake.

the entire administration/family is corrupt scumbags. this investigation is gonna tell us if they are criminal scumbags, or just normal rich assholes who have no business in public service.

But everything I've read - and maybe I've missed some things - has said russia didn't, as in, DID NOT, affect the election. (actual votes).

The phishing thing? Didn't the dnc get phished? Can't say the guys name right now.......