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Just like i was out to lunch with Garrapollo this off season ...

They've both gone on to stellar careers ...

West is on his 2nd or 3rd team since then and I don't think Tate's even in the league anymore ...

There's another good sound logical argument ...

Well, you hijacked the thread w/your foolishness. Undrafted FA's don't make teams if they are "lazy, underachieving bums." But go ahead and keep trying to talk people into seeing your "logic."

I agree with the part of your post about the investment reaping major rewards ... 100% ... if u get anything out of UDFA you've done well ...

I said in my last post that people change ... kids grow up ... im not an idiot ... did u miss that part of my post?

I also said i dont believe he has up to this point .... that may have changed ... we'll see how he does for the two or three years after he signs his next contract ... you have a point about him not being in trouble with the law ... other than that I'm not sure how u know he changed ...

And again .... why was he an UDFA .. NO ONE has answered my question ...

cfr attempted to answer the reason we didn't sign him long term with some BS about not signing RB's to long term deals ... he's 24 years old ... signing him to a 3 or 4 year deal takes us through what should be his prime ... after that ... then I'd agree with cfr ... now ...

Not much more to say here ... I'm out ... we hijacked the thread long enough and this dead horse has been beaten long enough ...

He should have a really good year and then unless we franchise tag him we'll find out weather he was fools gold ...

Later boys ....

WOW .. we agree on sumptin ... threads been hijacked to long ...

Nice answers to my questions ...

I think Duke is capable of more than what we saw last year as to how he was used. Think he works harder than Crow on average. I think Duke could really show more this year.

I hope our offense sparkles more than the lousy showing last year. I would love to have a RT to match Thomas!

I've already detailed why Crow fell. He was my pick in the "Sleeper" thread the year he came out. I have posted numerous articles on the gun charge and how that led to him being dismissed from Georgia. No one would touch him. He went to Nowhere U. Had huge question marks as the draft approached due to his background. That's no secret.

However, he was a long....long....long-shot to make the roster. He opened up a lot of eyes in OTA's and camp. He was not supposed to make the roster, but he did and it wasn't because he was a lazy, underachieving, bum. He was behind Tate, who had the nice contract and West, who was a 3rd round choice that the Browns traded up for. He gradually earned more time due to actually performing better than the other two.

The following year, we hard ran the ball at all w/Flip, but he had won the starting position.

Last year, Hue said he really liked Crow. And he said it early. Crow had his best year because he got more carries.

You whine about people not answering your questions, but not once have you addressed how a "lazy, underachieving bum" makes a roster when he was an undrafted FA. You're talking out of your butt, but I ain't gonna let you get away w/it.

Oh, I do want your advice on something. I'm considering this as my new sig and will you please tell me what you think of it?

CHUMP! CHUMP! CHUMP!

For talking about water under the bridge, you don't let much water under the bridge.

Because you were the only one with that opinion?

I like Duke, but he's not capable of handling the load that Crow takes on IMO. Duke's often injured and just doesn't have the body to take that many hits IMO.

But I do like Duke. He's versatile, quick, versatile. He's a poor man's LeSean McCoy who can't take the beating LeSean can

Musta missed that part about how you said that kids grow up. My fault.


Where I disagree though is that he has been a nuisance to the team at all u to this point, or that he's underachieved or is lazy.

We've had so many lazy underachievers here, that Crow is certainly not at the top of my list


We shall see I guess though

The OL.

Crow.



Britt.


Njoku.

Coleman.

I don't have an opinion about Crow or Diam's point either way...I'm just saying that Diam has/had been very consistent with his displeasure with Crow long, long before the cop photo. I've not stated whether I agree or disagree with his take on Crow.

My shining player prediction per this thread is DeValve. I'll let Diam defend/explain his comments on Crow.

If you want MY opinion of Crow, just ask me for my opinion. But don't load up the question ala Megan Kelly to try and frame my opinion.

You criticized me for pointing out Diam's distaste for Crow since the cop thang. Another poster said the same thing, but you did not say a word to him.

You defended Diam, but when I asked you to provide proof........you made some [censored] up about his recent posts. What is it? Did he say those things way back when or not? If he didn't, will you apologize to me? LOL............I think not.

Now................one more time...........do you think Crow is a lazy, underachieving bum?

Look...all I've stated is that Diam has/had been critical of Crow long before the cop photo. That is my recollection of Diam's opinion long before the cop photo incident. If that's "defending" him, then so be it. YOU asked for "links"...I gave you what I was willing to research. Diam has a way of coming right out and saying what he thinks...even if one has to think about it for a minute. I have no idea what I might apologize for.

It is not MY opinion that Crow is lazy or underachieving...that's what Diam said. If you want MY opinion about Crow, then ask me for it. But don't frame it as a defense of Diam's opinion. If I were interested in doing that, I would have done so by now. Ask me what I think of Crow, I'll tell you. But that's not the topic of this thread.

First of all.............I think you fabricated the point about Diam trashing Crow "long" before the cop thing. He wasn't even on the board. If you wouldn't have called me out.......I would have not have brought it up, but it was your big freaking mouth who called me out! Remember?

Secondly..............I have already asked you independently about Crow...........but will do so again. I will try to be more clear.

No matter what Diam thinks.....................do YOU, WSU Willie, think that Crow is a lazy, underachieving bum?

Remember? Yes, I remember. Just like I remember Diam being critical of Crow long before the photo came out. You either think I remember things or you don't. You don't get to play it both ways. Diam has been on the board a lot since Crow first became a Brown...vacations aside...he's been critical of Crow from the start of Crow's career. If you don't believe me - or Diam - then ok. I'm not going to search for his quotes to satisfy you.

Why don't YOU go find Diam's quotes where he's "done" with Crow just because of the photo? Or where he would be happy with Crow if it weren't for the photo?



How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not going to respond to your loaded question about Crow? Loaded with someone else's opinion of him. If you want my opinion of Crow just ask me, I will give it to you.

How about if I ask YOU if you still beat your dog? That's what you are doing.

meh, with a good 'jelled' Oline and at least average QB play, crow will rush for 1000+ this year. He should have been resigned and I think he will be before the FA period next year. (IF he wants to be here that is, you never know what his agent is telling him.)

Peppers?

Just asking if he might cross the street. I thought it might be interesting.

I wonder how affective Peppers will be ... i don't think he will play enough on O to be the one who shines but he could be a weapon ... although that may be tough this year as he should be focused on learning the D and not the O ... this yer his role on O should be limited to a handful of plays we run for when he's in the game ...

Thats me thinking out loud ... *L* ... food for thought .. will be interesting to see how Hue utilizes him ...

I'm going with Louis & DeValve as breakout players. Duke & Crow to have outstanding years. And Njoku to have moments of brilliance. I think Coleman will shine at times, but will disappoint overall due to lack of availability, and due to that, and inability to grow chemistry and develop a rhythm. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not getting my hopes up with him. Also, I expect to see some good things from Kizer. Payton & Higgens don't impress me, and I would be shocked to see either get substantial playing time. Britt will need to have a 1000+ yard year for me to get excited.

I hope Hue utilizes him as a Strong Safety and special teamer and then leaves him there.

Let him master his position in Gregg Williams Defense and let him do the special teams thing for Tabor. No need to throw too much on his plate by adding him into the offense. That can come in time, if need be

Agreed. Don't spread Peppers too thin initially, which is tough to do when someone has been deemed so versaitile. Let him get comfortable at one spot

I hope Peppers focuses on special teams and playing SS.

Peppers = shiny new toy. Hue will play with his shiny new toy. Bank on it.

They have mentioned it at least

When I really think about the personnel the 2 players I'm most excited/eager to see are Coleman and Njoku.

There physical skillsets are on par with the tops of their respective positions.

And with CC we got a glimpse of his production potential during TC/preseason and early in the regular season prior to the injuries.

Njoku seems like he can step in and have an immediate impact even if it's only as a big receiver but IF he embraces becoming a complete TE and improves his blocking he could be really good. He certainly in line to get a bunch of reps and targets.

I'm with you guys ... like what he did with Pryor after the first 3 or 4 games last year .. he was using him in the wild cat the first 3 or 4 games and then even though it was succesful he quit doing it and let Pryor focus on WR ..

I thought i read an article on here that Hue said he would have a role on O for Peppers this year ... i could be mistaken though ...

I would like to see him focus solely on D this year ...

I would have no problems if they use Peppers on offense occasionally. A handful of plays during the year. Heck, he's probably better on O than he is at covering.

this. Gunner position should have his name on it.

But if covering is going to be the main focus of his job (if he is to reach the potential of a 1st round pick he's supposed to be), I'd think that he should be focused on defense and covering.


Not adding him into a package on offense or something. We have guys who can do that kind of stuff on offense already. I mean, what about Duke Johnson? What can Peppers do that Duke can't?

YES, YES, YES...i hope.....Go Browns!!!!

We disagree. I want to see him on offense. You don't.

I honestly would be totally ok if no specific player "shined" on offense.

If we could develop this consistent and boring offense that plodded down the field, chewing up clock and giving our defense a rest.

That would be wonderful.

I know I'm late to the party but...I agree with Diam about Crow, and I can't understand why nobody seems to get what he's saying.

Crow does just enough to stay. Thats they only thing Diam is referring to. If he applied himself he could be really good. Instead he just just enough to keep his spot. Not hard to understand?

LOL...........Diam you are making sense to all the right people.

Reminder:

Isaiah Crowell averaged 4.8 yards per carry on a one win team with Cody Kessler, Josh McCown, and Robert Griffin at QB and a crap offensive line.

True....But as Diam has said.....in a contract year