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Do you have any historical data to support th ... oh, wait. Never mind.

You're a funny guy but you're not making any sense.

Unless you're saying the coaching staff sucks. I mean with all of that talent, how did they only win one game?

Where is the mystery person (people) who think we didn't have a talent problem last year?

Pit, he was joking.

I wasn't implying that we had (or have) a lot of talent. Just the opposite.

It was a poor attempt at humor. Vers is saying that if we go 1-15 there will be people who will not see a lack of talent as a reason. The point I was trying to make is that is what happened last year, so I was agreeing with him.

I got it, Cap. And I thought it was funny.

It is me willie

Soo...how about that Jamar Taylor fella? seems pretty good. I think we got a steal there in that trade.

I remember that game well. He had a damn good game. I remember it clearly because I only had 42 beers that game.

excellent trade to get him,
I really hope he gets another big step this year.
My huge hope is this guy really becomes a blitzer supreme with his 4.3 speed.

I may just be speaking for myself, but I don't believe that the Horton vs talent level argument for why we sucked is an 'either/or' situation. I think that the talent level was awful, but that the coaching also wasn't very good (or didn't fit right, however folks want to look at it). There isn't one single thing you can do in order to fix what happened last year with the defense. Put another way... I highly doubt there's a single person who thinks that we could go into the upcoming season with only a DC change (without adding talent) and have a "fixed" offense.

That being said, we upgraded the talent, and we also upgraded the coaching (also my opinion). I think both were lacking last year, and we have made good attempts to fix both (we still have to see how those attempts pan out).

in regards to the trade to acquire Taylor, wasn't it basically a swap of 7th rounders? like 15 pick difference? ... obviously we took on his salary, but that was a very nice acquisition

sorry vers not trying to ruffle feathers.
point one the ray horton i saw as a defensive coordinator could not coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
2 question what high paying job did he step into.
3 if taylor goes from 3 to 6 int this year the defense will be mean.
4The impact of having a defender like that on your d helps everything.
5 Ray horton had all pros at all three levels and finished last in d no wonder he was fired.

Had a excellent game hope the curve continues up.

Excellent game? Is he your cuz or something?

like i said Iam not trying to ruffle your feathers
I think the whole secondary had a good game i did not see extreme amounts of passes get completed against them.

While the secondary was not great last year. I also don't think they were as bad as advertised either. QB's had way too much time in the pocket last year.

I think that with an improved pass rush the secondary will show marked improvement this year.

excellent thought still looking for some pressure from shelton.

No offense, but I disagree. I think the secondary got beat early and often and their poor coverage actually made the pass rush look worse than it really was---not that it was all that good.

I'll trust my eyes on this one.

vers do you think the dl is playing better this year?

It's too early to tell. The first team didn't look very good in the first game, but again, it's way too early to tell.

They were Bad as a secondary last year.

first reaction, " they were worse than advertised" .

I think in 25 years I can't remember a Browns secondary co-equal to last years in badness that didn't have Scott Galbraith as a starting corner, (if I recall correctly)

That name might be wrong, but there was that one guy, circa 1991, wow, he was bad, he got beat every week,, well everytime they threw the ball actually, whew.

Just saw this. Fixed it for ya.

My 4' 10" 69 year old mother could have went out and played better at safety last year. It wasn't just bad, it was horrible.

That's stretching it a bit.

But your grandma has a 50 inch vertical with a 4.4 40, and she KOd Kam Chancelor in a bare knuckle boxing match.....

Yes but she was on steroids!!!

No, that is not really my mother.