Wayne and Brent Gretzky hold the NHL record for most combined points by two brothers.
2857 for Wayne and 4 for Brent.
However. Did you know that The Sutter brothers have more points than the Gretzky brothers. (Unless you count playoffs. Playoff points put the Gretzkys back on top.)
Also there were six Sutter brothers.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Someone compared his stats to that of footballs best years for TD passes. And using some sort of equation came up with the "Wayne Gretzky" equivalents. Which was like 74 TDs.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Ken Griffey Sr and Ken Griffey have a combined 782 home runs. You'd think that would be enough to have the lead for a father/son combo. Barry Bonds and Bobby Bonds have a combined 1,094.
Nope, sorry but I can't agree with that. Check the numbers, they'll tell you all you really need to know. Stats don't always tell the whole story, but sometimes they do.
Another thing: Gretzky played hard every night, while Mario took the occasional night off. It's not just me saying that – Bobby Orr said the same thing about those two.
I have as many MLB homers as Mick Kelleher, a non-pitcher that played in 622 games between 1972-1982 for the Cardinals, Cubs, Astros, Tigers, and Angels. He has zero, so do I.
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Nope, sorry but I can't agree with that. Check the numbers, they'll tell you all you really need to know. Stats don't always tell the whole story, but sometimes they do.
Another thing: Gretzky played hard every night, while Mario took the occasional night off. It's not just me saying that – Bobby Orr said the same thing about those two.
I can see the arguments for Mario. I think he was the best pure talent to ever grace the game, probably with Bobby Orr right up there.
I think the important thing to remember, especially with hockey is to remember the player in their own era. The hockey player has evolved over the years. You can probably apply that to all sports, but nowadays the players have access to better nutrition plans, weight training plans, and better equipment like composite sticks....
Gretzky probably wouldn't be all that great in 2017's version of the NHL, while Mario would be just fine, at 6'4" and built well, Lemieux would still be tough to defend.
It gets even crazier when you compare goalies prior to to the 2000's, to today's goalies.
Everyone knows this one, but Joe DiMaggio's 56 consecutive game hitting streak is the one that astounds me the most. If you ever played baseball, you know what I mean. LOL
Nope, sorry but I can't agree with that. Check the numbers, they'll tell you all you really need to know. Stats don't always tell the whole story, but sometimes they do.
Another thing: Gretzky played hard every night, while Mario took the occasional night off. It's not just me saying that – Bobby Orr said the same thing about those two.
I can see the arguments for Mario. I think he was the best pure talent to ever grace the game, probably with Bobby Orr right up there.
THIS,Yeah in this case stats dont tell the whole story. Look at the line Gretzky played on . Mario had freaking cancer and came back and still lead the league in scoring. Gretzky had bigger numbers, but take Gretzky at the top of his prime, and take Mario at the top of his prime, and it is not even close
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Everyone knows this one, but Joe DiMaggio's 56 consecutive game hitting streak is the one that astounds me the most. If you ever played baseball, you know what I mean. LOL
When you take away career records, because those should be looked at differently, DiMaggio's 56 is probably the most impressive feat in sports history.
Nope, sorry but I can't agree with that. Check the numbers, they'll tell you all you really need to know. Stats don't always tell the whole story, but sometimes they do.
Another thing: Gretzky played hard every night, while Mario took the occasional night off. It's not just me saying that – Bobby Orr said the same thing about those two.
I can see the arguments for Mario. I think he was the best pure talent to ever grace the game, probably with Bobby Orr right up there.
THIS,Yeah in this case stats dont tell the whole story. Look at the line Gretzky played on . Mario had freaking cancer and came back and still lead the league in scoring. Gretzky had bigger numbers, but take Gretzky at the top of his prime, and take Mario at the top of his prime, and it is not even close
Gretzky is also the all time leader in assists at 1963. The line didn't make Gretzky better. Like a great qb, he made them better.
Nope, sorry but I can't agree with that. Check the numbers, they'll tell you all you really need to know. Stats don't always tell the whole story, but sometimes they do.
Another thing: Gretzky played hard every night, while Mario took the occasional night off. It's not just me saying that – Bobby Orr said the same thing about those two.
I can see the arguments for Mario. I think he was the best pure talent to ever grace the game, probably with Bobby Orr right up there.
THIS,Yeah in this case stats dont tell the whole story. Look at the line Gretzky played on . Mario had freaking cancer and came back and still lead the league in scoring. Gretzky had bigger numbers, but take Gretzky at the top of his prime, and take Mario at the top of his prime, and it is not even close
Gretzky is also the all time leader in assists at 1963. The line didn't make Gretzky better. Like a great qb, he made them better.
Because yeah. having great players on your line doesnt help you get a lot of assists.
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Everyone knows this one, but Joe DiMaggio's 56 consecutive game hitting streak is the one that astounds me the most. If you ever played baseball, you know what I mean. LOL
When you take away career records, because those should be looked at differently, DiMaggio's 56 is probably the most impressive feat in sports history.
His hitting streak isn't a big deal to me. It's not that I don't recognize it's difficulty, I just don't see it as awe-inspiring greatness.
It's possible to have a 100-game hitting streak while hitting .225 (1 for 4 some nights and 1 for 5 others). Is that impressive? I know Joe hit better than .225, he hit .408, with 15 home runs and 55 runs batted in over those 56 games.
I'm more impressed he hit .408 over those 56 games, not that he got a hit in all of them. Heck, Ted Williams hit .406 over 143 games in that very same season (Joe finished at .357). I think that's more impressive.
Also, I think Ichiro and Rose's 10 consecutive seasons with 200+ hits is more impressive too. Getting 200 hits in a season is hard, doing it 9 more straight seasons seems impossible.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Stat tracker: Joe Thomas is 66 snaps away from hitting 10,000 consecutive snaps played. He has not missed a single one since entering the league in 2007.
I think Brett Favre playing in 297 straight NFL games is amazing. I get the baseball streaks and all, but baseball players don't take the punishment the NFL guys get.
Gretzky retired at 38, and his last season he still finished in the Top 10 in scoring on a bad Rangers team.
I won't dismiss the idea that he had great players as teammates - Kurri, Messier, Glenn Anderson - and more than Mario did, imo, but he was a hockey freak: not strong physically, but with great hands and more importantly, a genius on the ice. He could control time, almost. He was like no other player; a chess master on the ice, with great recall, anticipation and awareness that was uncanny. Gretzky was two steps ahead of everybody else. He is the GOAT.
Just saw an article about that. Only 8 players have EVER hit .500 over the course of a month (and had a minimum amount of PAs). Only 2 since 1927:
Ivan Rodriguez, June 2004: .500/.542/.733 in 96 plate appearances Todd Helton, May 2000: .512/.588/1.000 in 102 plate appearances Harry Heilmann, August 1927: .505/.586/.814 in 119 plate appearances Rogers Hornsby, August 1924: .509/.570/.896 in 127 plate appearances George Sisler, June 1920: .526/.578/.763 in 131 plate appearances Ty Cobb, July 1918: .521/.566/.677 in 107 plate appearances Joe Jackson, June 1916: .512/.571/.733 in 100 plate appearances Joe Jackson, May 1913: .505/.579/.784 in 114 plate appearances
Gretzky retired at 38, and his last season he still finished in the Top 10 in scoring on a bad Rangers team.
I won't dismiss the idea that he had great players as teammates - Kurri, Messier, Glenn Anderson - and more than Mario did, imo, but he was a hockey freak: not strong physically, but with great hands and more importantly, a genius on the ice. He could control time, almost. He was like no other player; a chess master on the ice, with great recall, anticipation and awareness that was uncanny. Gretzky was two steps ahead of everybody else. He is the GOAT.
This time, I didn't even mention the stats.....
And Mario completely revolutionized the game, specifically the forward position. An amazing blend of size, speed, and instincts. So much so that he made it look easy.
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He was a great player, but sports is mostly about statistics when comparing players. Gretsky is so far ahead of other great players in the key areas, it isn't even close.
They also played in pretty much the same era, so it not like trying to compare players who played decades apart.
Mario had 1,723 points, #8 on the all time list. Wayne had 2,857....basically 1100 more. It's not even close. Make your arguement he was the 2nd best player ever. You might gain some ground.
As far as unbreakable records, I think Johnny Vander Meer pitching back to back no hitters will never be touched. Mostly because it was a total fluke. His career record was 119-121. He was a decent pitcher at best. It's not like he was Nolan Ryan, who when on, could mow'em down.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
He was a great player, but sports is mostly about statistics when comparing players. Gretsky is so far ahead of other great players in the key areas, it isn't even close.
They also played in pretty much the same era, so it not like trying to compare players who played decades apart.
Mario had 1,723 points, #8 on the all time list. Wayne had 2,857....basically 1100 more. It's not even close. Make your arguement he was the 2nd best player ever. You might gain some ground.
As far as unbreakable records, I think Johnny Vander Meer pitching back to back no hitters will never be touched. Mostly because it was a total fluke. His career record was 119-121. He was a decent pitcher at best. It's not like he was Nolan Ryan, who when on, could mow'em down.
get back to me when you actually know a thing or two about hockey instead of being the typical bandwagon Predators fan.
and its Gretzky, not gretsky
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As a big Pens fan growing up, I'm sorry but "The Great One" didn't get that name by a fluke. Mario is easily an all time great, but Gretzky has him beat.
I remember being on vacation in Tampa (before I moved there and became a huge fan) and the Rangers were in town. This was his last season so of course I went to the game. There was a big fight that cleared the benches. Gretzky skates into the middle of it and it just suddenly stopped. It was like no one wanted to get blamed for hurting him. Another fun fact, Tampa's goalie got hurt or something and Derek Wilkinson was called up and started that game. He was the Lumberjacks goalie that year and we saw him all the time in Cleveland. Make it to an NHL game and still end up seeing the same guy.
There are really very few sports where the greatest of all time in that sport is as clear as it is in hockey... in football you can go position by position and come up with at least 3 or 4 who deserve to be in the conversation as greatest... In the NBA you can come up with a few over the generations to talk about...
But in hockey, it's Gretzky and then a battle for second.
The only one close to it that I can think of is golf.. you have Nicklaus and then a battle for second.
Maybe cycling.. but then Armstrong did have some "issues"...
There are really very few sports where the greatest of all time in that sport is as clear as it is in hockey... in football you can go position by position and come up with at least 3 or 4 who deserve to be in the conversation as greatest...
I disagree. You can also go by position in hockey. People always tend to go by points as the parameters for greatest ever, and that does not tell the whole story.
I stand by my statement. If you could have either guy at their absolute peak, I would take Mario, and I have seen them both play in person on multiple ocassions.
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He was a great player, but sports is mostly about statistics when comparing players. Gretsky is so far ahead of other great players in the key areas, it isn't even close.
They also played in pretty much the same era, so it not like trying to compare players who played decades apart.
Mario had 1,723 points, #8 on the all time list. Wayne had 2,857....basically 1100 more. It's not even close. Make your arguement he was the 2nd best player ever. You might gain some ground.
As far as unbreakable records, I think Johnny Vander Meer pitching back to back no hitters will never be touched. Mostly because it was a total fluke. His career record was 119-121. He was a decent pitcher at best. It's not like he was Nolan Ryan, who when on, could mow'em down.
Going off of just stats when comparing the greatness of players is probably not the right way to go especially in hockey.
I can listen to arguments for both players. Anyone who thinks Gretzky is the greatest of all time in a runaway, probably hasn't watched as much hockey as they've let off.
If you want to bring up stats though:
Gretzky played in 1487 career NHL games, notching a .6 goals per game, and a 1.92 points per game.
Lemieux played in 915 career NHL games (missing key prime years due to Hodgkins, and a bad back), scoring .75 goals per game, and an average of 1.88 points per game.
Gretzky also started 5 years earlier than Lemiuex, so he got more years in an era where teams were scoring at a beer league rate. Mario started later, having to play in the 90's where scoring was driven down by horrible trapping schemes, and tons of obstruction.
You absolutely can make an argument for Mario. Mario also gets the nod because with his frame, and height, he could have played in any era.
By the way, both of their scoring stats are ridiculous. For good measure Sidney Crosby is a career .49 goals, 1.31 pts per game player. While that might not seem that big of a difference, remember that's per game, over the course of an entire career. Sid also has primarily plyaed in an era where scoring was up.
Like stats or not, those are the measure in sports.
I'd like Mario on my team, but if I had to take one or the other, I'd take Wayne, and so would most others. It's not even close.
I'd take Gordie Howe or Bobby Orr over Mario. Maybe Maurice Richard or Ray Borque as well.
Just stop, you just lost all credibility with that ridiculous statement.
Just because you say there is no debate, does not make it so. Yeah, most people would take Gretzky, and most people dont really know much about hockey, but they have heard of Gretzky.
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