DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Isaiah Crowell Signs with Rosenhaus

https://twitter.com/RosenhausSports/status/889206571993092097

This is not good, IMO, for those that want a long term contract here in Cleveland.

This precludes that type of contract? Not sure what to make of this. Big year = big payout?

I am 99.9% sure (because I don't like talking in absolutes) that had Pryor had any other agent, we would of signed him. Possibly during the season.

I don't fault Rosenhaus for trying to maximize his players earnings (also his btw), but I think he possibly screwed TP out of money. Depending on how this season goes for him, and what other FA WRs are available. (He will be 29)

Now, to me, this basically confirms my thought that Crow will probably play somewhere else next season.

If Crow has a really good year (I think and hope he will) He and Drew will probably be looking for MAX RB MONEY. Because that's what Drew does.

And I can't see this style of FO paying Max money for an RB.

Hey. At least mac will have new subject matter.

RB is the one position that I'm okay with NOT signing someone long term. The shelf life is just so short ... and the position is way easier to plug and play (especially if our OL is improved and we can find a QB obviously)

I agree Dawgs. If Crowell leaves next year so what. With our beloved Browns track record of replacing players we'll have no problem getting another RB. Just like changing a light bulb.

LOL.....maybe we can bring Willis McGahee back.

Buyer beware when he signs a long term deal ...

As will the dozens and dozens of posters who will say that FO handled everything perfectly and absolutely deserves no blame at all.

Solid contribution.

Loving Crowell so much, it's ok to be upset with this recent situation.

Don't blame crow for getting another agent since first one failed to get him the deal he wanted. Hope he becomes highest paid running back in the history of football which would mean he lit its ass up including a playoff run lol.

With the potential of our o-line, we don't need to pay out for RBs. If we deem it a need, we'll pick one up in the upper rounds of the draft and have someone younger, cheaper and likely just as productive.

I could care less about this move by Crow. Hoping they can work something out, but I myself... not willing to give Crow anything close to big money.

Yeah! The Browns have no need for good players! They have so much talent that losing their better players will only make them a better team!

Exactly. That's what the practice squad is for. If we lose a good starter just promote someone from there. Problem solved!!

Where are all these dozens of mystery people?

+1

Burn it up Crow! Force someone to pay you HUGE cash next year.

Bro..

I would prefer that we are able to keep him. I guess it just depends on how much they seek.

I understand the feeling that you can find backs, and mostly agree. Crow is emerging as a solid back. I suspect we will see Duke get more carries and the rook will get some carries. Depending on how they do will dictate how hard we go after Crow.

I'd like to keep the Crow. As someone said earlier, it's not like we've had that much luck replacing RBs.

People have this conception of plug and play, but then you get guys like Ben Tate who come here and were total failures.


Clearly everything depends on money and perceived value/other options in the market. But I'm a fan of the Crow. He's not a superstar or anything, but we have much bigger things to address than him IMO

I agree with you here. My concern is that the FO is beginning to demonstrate their understanding of the market. They signed two big FAs...kept Collins & Kirksey...offered T Pryor more than any other team did...but couldn't reach an extension with Crow.

Now he's hired Rosenhaus. I'm not optimistic that he gets signed.

I'd be interested to know the percentage of players who sign with Rosenhaus in their contract year that remain with the team they are currently on.

i'd sign crow to a nice contract if only he can fix his cleat situation.

tired of watching this guy trip over his own feet in the backfield. that's pretty much his only problem. he certainly has the talent to be an elite back, and showed it for a good chunk of the season.

Maybe we can call Crow's attorney to convince him to stay in Cleveland.

j/c:

I just want what is best for the Browns and am not interested in lining up on one side or the other in the FO vs Player/Agent debate.

I think the Browns have a lot of needs in regards to their roster. If Crow walks [and I am not blaming either the FO or the player right now] that simply means that the Browns will have another need to fill.

I think about it this way, and again, I am not assigning blame one way or the other:

We lost Mack and our Center position is still a question mark. There is potential there, but the guy hasn't been able to stay healthy.

We lost Schwartz and our RT spot is a huge, huge question mark that is dependent upon two complete unknowns that have a ton of question marks surrounding them.

We lost our FS and that spot is a huge question mark today.

We lost two decent WRs and have invested in one big FA acquisition and 4 draft choices, yet the unit is still regarded as a major weakness.

All I know is this: I truly hope that the FO and Crow's reps can reach an agreement that would keep him in Cleveland. I say this not to take sides on the FO thing, but simply because I believe that is what is best for the future success of the team I root for.

You would contact lawyers if you really cared.

I'm not interested in making fun of mac. There are plenty of posters already doing that.

Reach out to them.

We don't know that we will need to fill a hole if he doesn't sign. I think Duke can play the position, and Matt Dayes looks to be a pretty good value pick, at least based on highlights and stats at NCS.

Yes, I know, we need to see him in action a bit before we can get too excited.

Also, as far as next years draft, depending on if we need to use multiple picks on a QB, there is a good chance we will take a running back anyway.

Just based on what we have done the last few years, we probably won't go DL. I mean you always have to look at who is there, but it probably won't be a targeted position. I'd say TE won't. OL???? maybe.

DBs, backers, and skill position players should be hot and heavy next year over the first 2 rounds. I doubt we would use a 1st rounder on one, but could see a 2nd rounder being used. Add in the fact we probably trade down some to gain other picks either in next years draft, or future drafts, or some of both.

Saquon Barkley come on down...

The man wants to get paid. I don't blame him for that. I don't love Rosenhaus as an agent, but I have give him credit for doing his job well for his clients. If Crow has the breakout year he's expected to have, he'll be looking for top money, and will rightly deserve it. Whether the Browns pay him remains to be seen. Frankly, I think it's doubtful based on their history, and there's always the possibility that Rosenhaus will chirp in his ear about getting into a better situation, even if equal money is on the table. Bottom line, until we become a perennial winner we run the risk of having our best players poached by agents and other teams because walking away right now is way too easy.

The biggest thing to remember is that Rosenhaus works for Crow, and not the other way around.

If Crow wants to be here, he'll make that clear to HIS agent.

In the end, everything rests on the player. As someone who's been in the league 3 years already, I think Crow understands that

U sign agents for a reason ... he signed with an agent that gets every last penny he can in what ever manner he can ... crow will not be giving any hometown discounts or leaving a penny on the table ...

Thats not a slam on crow ... just stating the facts of the situation ...

I agree w/that. He's treating this as a business decision, just as he should. The Browns will do the same.

Of course.

But the agent DOES work for him. And if he wants to play here, Crow can tell Rosenhaus, "Get me the best deal you can that keeps me in Cleveland", and that's what Drew will try to do.


Whether that was the case for Pryor (and Drew failed), who knows.



In the end, it is a job. But sometimes we accept less, because we value the situation we're in more.

At least for me that's the case. If I like my employer, like where I work, like how I'm treated, like my boss, that goes a long way.

Everything doesn't always come down to the physical money, as there are some things that hold a value that isn't physical income/money

I'm interested to see how he does again without Shanahan.

But why in the world would Crow, or almost any other player in the league, tell his agent that he wants to stay in Cleveland for less money?

I don't think he'd ever say that.

But something like, "Get me the most money, and try to keep me in Cleveland" might be more like it.


And there's various reasons guys stay in one place vs another.

1) Tax reasons (for a player, Seattle, the Texas Teams, the Florida Teams, would have a clear advantage over the California teams). If i'm not correct, Ohio is better tax-wise for an NFL player than say San Francisco. Plus, housing is cheaper.

2) Maybe he likes his neighborhood and this is where he wants to raise kids.

3) He likes his workplace enviornment. Likes his boss. His coach. His O-Coordinator. Likes his teammates.


My point earlier was that money wasn't everything. There's plenty of guys who would prefer to take less than offered in Cleveland to play somewhere else. Well the same way that a guy might want to possibly decline an offer that's a little higher somewhere else, so they can stay where they are.

Just like any job.