DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns' starting QB battle might be Cody Kessler vs. a rookie

None at all. I hope he light's it up for the Browns. He has more physical skills than any QB on our roster, and I hope the kid proves every doubter wrong about him.

I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not an impatient person who "wants it now". What I do want is for the players that give us the best chance to win be our starters.

Considering our current crop of QB's, that may just turn out to be Kizer. I don't know, but it could be,

LOL..........calling a Brown's fan impatient and saying they whine about getting things now seems a bit odd.

Just still being here after the past 17 years should be a clear sign of patience. lol

You never have been a temper tantrum guy Pit

I said they WANT it now. I didn't say they get it now bro.

 
Marcus Mariota among young quarterbacks poised to break out


By David Carr
NFL.com Analyst
Published: July 25, 2017 at 06:01 a.m.
Updated: July 25, 2017 at 11:19 a.m.






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With the 2017 NFL season on the horizon, a number of talented guys are still playing under rookie contracts. Now is the time to make some future loot! With that in mind, NFL Network analysts Ike Taylor, Willie McGinest, LaDainian Tomlinson and David Carr scoured the positions they respectively manned during their playing days (CB, LB, RB and QB) to identify youngsters poised for a breakout campaign.
Today's list: David Carr's young quarterbacks to watch in 2017.



2017 projection: 3,500 passing yards, 500 rushing yards, 35-40 total touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Mariota is one of my favorite young quarterbacks because of the pressure he puts on defenses. He can do a lot and his offense suits him well. We already saw improvements from Year 1 to Year 2, and 2017 will see Mariota become a top-10 quarterback. He's already quite good at seeing coverage and being able to pull the trigger downfield. But he also adds that element of being able to pull the football down and run. Because Mariota doesn't have to put the ball in potentially detrimental situations, we've seen steady improvement.

The Titans' offense is set up for Mariota to have an outstanding season. Veteran tight end Delanie Walker is a mismatch nightmare. Rookie Corey Davis tracks the ball well and will bring another element to the passing game. Free-agent acquisition Eric Decker's a huge bonus and will provide a 1-2 punch with Davis.
Carson Wentz, Philadelphia Eagles

2017 projection: 4,200 passing yards, 32 touchdowns and 15 interceptions.

Wentz proved he can play the quarterback position well at the NFL level in Year 1, especially early on. The Eagles struggled down the stretch because they didn't have any big plays. In 2016, the offense tied for 26th in passing plays of 40-plus yards with six and tied for 28th in passing plays over 20 yards with 39. The front office did a good job bringing in some pieces to help Wentz get the ball downfield. Alshon Jeffery and Torrey Smith will pose as deep threats and that's what the Eagles need if they want to compete in the NFC East.
Cody Kessler, Cleveland Browns

2017 projection: 3,500 passing yards, 25 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.



I thought Kessler did a good job with Hue Jackson's offense a year ago. In nine games (eight starts), Kessler had a 65.6 percent completion rate, a 6:2 touchdown-to-interception ratio and a 92.3 passer rating. The kid is pretty accurate and reminds me a lot of Drew Brees. He gets the ball out of his hand early, understands what it takes to be successful in this league and has a great QB coach. Like Brees with Sean Payton, Kessler benefits greatly from Jackson's wise offensive mind.

The sophomore out of USC will compete against Brock Osweiler and DeShone Kizer for the starting job and has all the intangibles to win it. A full offseason in Jackson's system is crucial -- as is getting contributions from a healthy Corey Coleman and rookie tight end David Njoku. I don't expect the ground game to be super strong this season, and the Browns will be playing from behind quite a bit, giving Kessler the opportunity to rack up numbers.
Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams?

2017 projection: ???
You know, I really thought about putting Goff on this list. I wanted to. But I just can't. I don't believe he's quite ready to take it to the next level. I hope he proves me wrong, though.

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If Kessler reminds him of Brees, all he's done is look at the stats.

Drew Brees comparison?? wow. That would be nice.

David Carr didn't even mention CK's weak arm.
But if Kessler is anywhere close to those numbers, I'll be happy.
I just don't think he will.

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#Browns HC Hue Jackson said rookie QB DeShone Kizer is further ahead than he thought he would be. "He's understanding the offense."

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0682339750215948887-4

Hue Jackson evaluates the work of quarterbacks Cody Kessler, Brock Osweiler and DeShone Kizer on the first day of training camp open to the fans and media. (video)

Hue just may pull the trigger on giving the rook the nod this year. I'm sure it will be a 'gut' feeling, that ultimately could cost him his job.

I'd start Kessler. Outside of not winning games, which is somewhat important (lol), he plays solid.

If Kizer knows the playbook and has demonstrated some decision making ability, I don't see why he wouldn't start him. Out of our available QBs, he likely has the best physical traits and etc.

I agree wholeheartedly. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Will it be:

Cody "trust me about this pick" Kessler

or

Deshone Kizer (sorry, no fancy names, lol).

It's starting. . .

He got into ND. So he's at least a certain book level of smart (or had really nice HS teachers)

He can "understand" the offense all he wants. It's his and the other twos ability to execute the offense when they aren't wearing shorts and special colored jerseys that matters.

I feel like us starting a rookie QB is always different than another team doing it.

Seattle, Baltimore, Philly, all were going to sit their QB, and then a sudden injury/illness and boom start the rookie and boom he plays well..

I'm pretty sure at one point Oakland was ganna start Shaun over Carr as well..

Us? We gets months of articles about "maybes" and "wellll he looks pretty goood so far..." and then poop emoji.

/rant

I will be surprised if Kizer starts any of the first 4 games. But, eventually he will need to play. We have to know what we have with him before next year's apparent "top rated QB class" and with big name QBs at FA. If we have a guy we believe could be "it" imagine how liberating it would that be? We could use the draft in so many ways to address so many other positions and not have to worry about QB. If, however, we still have big questions or doubt we can utilize those 2 first round picks to move up or we aggressively go after JG or KC.

But, I don't envision Kizer starting against Pittsburgh nor the following three games. The opening game against the Steelers is too HUGE.

Well the other options are Kessler and Brosweiler..

I mean they all 3 are rated 75 overall in Madden 18.

So that basically confirms Kizer is just as good as the other two.

Yea, ratings on a video game confirms who a starting QB should be...

I know you were probably kidding BUT....

...at the moment we have a QB who has played in Hue's system through 8 games and given the circumstances actually didn't play too bad. We also have a QB who has won in the NFL and has taken two teams to the playoffs. I could be wrong as T.C. and the competition only just begun but, my thinking is one of these two guys will start against Pittsburgh.

I just want this competition to be different and its not we start the guy sucking slightly worse than the next. WE haven't had a QB competition in which one guy played really well. Two guys playing well that's just crazy talk.

I just watched BO's presser. I'm impressed. He can stand at a podium and answer questions with the best! He came off looking focused and humble, a real team player.

It's one of the few things he's good at.

I am getting the sense that quite a few posters aren't willing to keep an open mind about the position.

That's too bad.

I still think Brock will get traded. Not sure when it will happen (preseason vs. regular season), but it's gonna happen.

It may be the case. We may be showcasing him (he's gotten a lot of PR and the most reps)

Nate Ulrich’s Browns briefing: DeShone Kizer carrying himself like someone ready to be thrown into fire
By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writer

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Published: July 28, 2017 - 07:13 PM

BEREA: DeShone Kizer waved off a member of the Browns’ communications department trying to escort him to a podium while fellow quarterback Cody Kessler spoke Friday before the second practice of training camp.

Whether you interpret that as a sign of respect for Kessler, reporters or both, Kizer wanted to wait instead of interrupt or create a disturbance.

A day earlier, Kizer stayed on the field after the first practice of camp with a call sheet in hand and rehearsed spitting out plays, making adjustments at the line of scrimmage and taking snaps. No teammates were around him. He went through the motions by himself.

Although the Browns drafted him in the second round out of Notre Dame this year, Kizer doesn’t carry himself like a typical rookie. Actions speak louder than words, and the aforementioned examples of Kizer’s behavior suggest he is wiser than an average 21 year old. Perhaps there’s something lurking beneath the surface, but Kizer doesn’t seem like someone lacking maturity, attention to detail or a willingness to grind, as Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly suggested before the draft.

“He’s a bright, young man,” Browns coach Hue Jackson said. “He comes from a good program, has a good family. He’s worked extremely hard, but at the same time, he’s still got to show. What I mean by that, he’s still got to play consistently over time.

“But he is different. He does see the big picture a little bit different than some other guys do, but that doesn’t always equate to being a really good football player, too. So we’ve got a lot of work to do.”

Jackson has certainly treated Kizer like a big boy this offseason, and the Toledo native has responded well enough to become a legitimate candidate to win the starting quarterback job. He began splitting first-team repetitions with Cody Kessler during mandatory minicamp in mid-June and has done so through the first two practices of training camp.

“[The coaches] have a good idea of when a quarterback is ready to go out there,” Kizer said. “I think the way that they’ve thrown me into the fire in the last couple months has allowed me to grow quickly and to become comfortable pretty fast.”

Kizer made strides during the break between mandatory minicamp and training camp, working for five weeks alongside Kessler under throwing guru and Jackson ally Tom House in California.

Kizer picked the brains of quarterbacks Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and Blake Bortles, but he explained Kessler also proved to be invaluable because they spoke “the same language,” using the terminology of Jackson’s offense.

“As much as I hate to say [it], a USC guy is helping me,” Kizer quipped.

It’s commendable for Kessler to lend a hand to someone who could usurp him. Asked if he can feel the competition tightening, Kessler said, “I take the same mindset to every day.”

After countless hours of studying this summer, Kizer said his understanding of Jackson’s playbook is “completely different” than it was when mandatory minicamp ended. If Kizer can convince Jackson his knowledge is adequate, he’ll be playing soon, perhaps even in the Sept. 10 regular-season opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

What advantage?

Brock Osweiler said he has “no edge” in the quarterback competition despite being more experienced than his peers. Osweiler is 13-8 as a starter. Kessler went 0-8 as a rookie last season. Kizer is in his first NFL training camp.

“I’ve been in the league a little bit longer than the other guys, but at the end of the day, that means nothing,” said Osweiler, who’s been working exclusively with the second-team offense since mandatory minicamp. “... I’m looking at it as I’ve never accomplished a single thing and I’m starting from square one.”

Osweiler tuned up for the quarterback derby during summer vacation by throwing to kids at Coeur d’Alene High School in Idaho. He also worked with ex-NFL quarterback Jake Plummer, who played for Jackson at Arizona State, and Dennis Erickson, Osweiler’s coach at Arizona State.

“Brock’s really improved,” Jackson said. “I go back and watch his tape often and he’s really made a lot of strides that way, playing in rhythm, getting rid of the ball, making decisions.”

If Osweiler doesn’t win the starting job, keeping his $16 million guaranteed contract on the books would likely be a tough pill to swallow for head of football operations Sashi Brown. So a trade or release is possible.

“I don’t control if I’m traded, released, you name it, the backup,” Osweiler said. “I do not control that, so I’m not going to worry about it.”

Light bulb on?

Wide receiver Corey Coleman admitted he didn’t really know what he was doing last season.

“I’m more comfortable with the playbook,” he said. “I know what’s going on with the offense. I’m not out there guessing, or getting out there [and hoping] I don’t mess up.”

The 15th overall pick in last year’s draft appears to have his act together this summer.

“He is telling other guys how to get lined up,” Jackson said. “A year ago, he could not do that. I think it was spinning for him a year ago.”

Kessler said, “He really did stick to his playbook this year. We talk and he’s the one asking questions, taking it to the next level. ‘Hey, I know this is my read on this, but if they do this, what do I do?’ It’s cool to have a guy like that who really invested in the playbook.”

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Nate Ulrich’s Browns briefing: DeShone Kizer carrying himself like someone ready to be thrown into fire http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/nate-u...2kGsi-k.twitter

I think the difference between this season and any in memory since 1999 - is the FO has a plan. A long term plan. They are building the foundation of the team for the long haul and they have no interest in throwing in a QB "just because" - just because of media or fan pressure or because of any setback that might come along unexpectedly.

Other than injuries - I think Kizer will start when Coach thinks he's ready and he's the best option. It could be Game 1 this year - it might be any game after that. . . . . but I honestly think that the right decision for the long term benefit of the team will be made. And I am on board with that. I like Cody because of the way he carried himself in a truly difficult situation last year - but if Brock or Kizer is the starter I am 100% on board.

I hope this is true and they don't just hand the job to Kessler because of the support he receives from the fans and some media members.

I hope the best qb wins the job.

Agreed, though I am hearing some interesting speculation that we may see a hybrid of that. QB1 (Kessler or Brock) starts the season and plays the first quarter (against a tough schedule). If we're 0-4 we might see Kizer get the nod. This would keep him out of harms way (mentally and physically) against our early tough opponents (Steelers, Ravens, Colts & Bengals) and still give him the bulk of the season to develop and for the coaches to see what we have in live fire, starting with the Jets.

If DeShone is the future, and there is a long term plan. Well what I'd like Best to see is to sit him until game 1 of next year.

Let DeShone get a year of watching OsWeiler and Cody battle it out for the #1 and #2 spots; fill in for each other if need be.

And That would mean Cody and Brock are playing well enough to not make any hail Mary grasps for anything.

And Kizer, if he's the future, will benefit for getting the whole year to sit.

And the Browns can use the top pick next year on a Bran New Runninback, and the #2 pick for a Bran new Wideout,

and then another Tight end, and if the Browns use the entire Draft next year on Offensive players,

Then when Kizer comes in and battles for the #1 QB spot next year, He will be sitting in the Catbird seat.

Longterm plan... do they really have one...

Let Cody get his Ring this year. And DeShone can get his Ring next year.

Or maybe Osweiller gets Both Rings.

I don't think 4 or 5 games is enough to determine whether or not he's the answer. For example, I don't really know what we have in Kessler at this point (although I suspect he's a career backup). I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter what happens this year we should go QB in round 1 next year, if a guy is there that we like. At the very worst you end up with a quality backup or a trade asset.