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He's going to anyway. Even if Pryor sucks.

He will find a way.

Are you an average fan or a non-average fan?

This is not the original article that appeared on the board that talked about the situation, but here is one link that talks about it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26975...-redskins-offer

I didn't think you'd believe it. LOL

"Apparently, Saunders still believes that Pryor is going to be missed..so there must be something that a WR coach with 35 years of NFL experience really liked about Pryor's game."

What I find funny about this quote, is that if Saunders brags on the guys we have now, he is not believed. Yet when he brags on a guy the team no longer has, his word is gospel.

Pryor was greedy, and that's how I see it. Nothing will change that feeling. Thing is, I don't blame him. If he really feels he's going to make the leap to "probowl" caliber, I would have done the same thing.

IMO, he's not looking long term, he wants money soon.

To be honest, I don't believe it either.

If so, give me a good reason why he didn't take that deal?

Of course you don't. The FO is perfect in your biased mind. You are just like mac.....only w/a polar opinion. Logic and reason be damned.

Btw---------the point I was making was that Pryor and his reps came back to Cleveland for the one-year deal and were turned down by the Browns. It's been reported in multiple places. But, keep your head in the sand ma....errr....peen.

Oh, and before others get their panties in a wad......I am not bad-mouthing the FO. I think they made a solid offer. A very fair offer. I also don't blame Pryor. It's a business and you gotta take care of yourself.

On the other hand, I think both sides could have handled things better.

I wish they would of, because the Browns would be a better team w/Pryor than w/out. And that is my bottom line, not some lame ass agenda.

I don't think you are bad mouthing the FO. Just me.

That's cool.

+100

That sounds good and certain biased posters will love that quote, but I don't think it's quite accurate.

First of all, a coach is going to praise the guys he has on the current roster, long before he praises someone who just left the team. That is not debatable.

Secondly, I don't take Saunders word as "gospel," but I have to respect it if he praises a guy who is no longer w/the team. He has absolutely nothing to gain by praising the guy. It's gotta be honest.

Finally, has anyone said they don't believe Saunders? Ever? I've read his comments. He is hopeful and I respect that. But, he hasn't been effusive w/his praise for any of our current receivers. I certainly haven't read anything where he predicted any of them to be in the Pro Bowl.

My conclusion is that people want to bash anyone who has an objective opinion on the Browns and they use hyperbole and non-truths to belittle counter opinions.

I also doubt I get a +100 on this post. LOL

The only things I have really harped on is I don't think the FO lost Pryor and Schwartz.

As for picks, we'll see. Coleman needs to pick up where he started last year. It will be nive if one of the other receivers pans out, but we have to keep in perspective that 4th and 5th rounders are pretty much long shots to make a big impact all across the league.

Sure, we can always cherry pick out a player here and a player there, but I don't think you can hold that as the standard that we should be selecting all of these "sleeper" picks. Sooner or later we will bet the $2 scratch off ticket that pays $250. You just don't know when that will come.


Oh...I am not going to debate Schweartz and Pryor. That's old news. I think everybody knows where everybody else stands on the matter.

Al Saunders excited by potential of Browns’ young, unheralded receivers

Veteran coach likes what he sees from Rashard Higgins, Jordan Payton and more

So when Saunders saw Payton make play after play the right way during OTAs and minicamp, he had to make sure he was dealing with the same player. He looked him square in the facemask and smiled.

“Did we get a new 84?” Saunders said. “This guy is running fast, he's coming out of breaks, he's catching the ball, he's a competitive guy … I know one thing, he can play in the National Football League. He's playing at a level much greater than he did last year.”

The same can be said for Higgins, the late fifth-round selection who didn’t see the field much until late in the season, when he was used as a big slot receiver. While Kenny Britt, Corey Coleman and Ricardo Louis figure to have prominent roles in this year’s passing game, the Browns will need a handful of others step up from a group that is high on upside but low on experience.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Al-Saunders-excited-by-potential-of-Browns%E2%80%99-young-unheralded-receivers/a949d576-98c3-483f-b38a-c4abf61c88e0

Sounds good. What I like to hear.

To the point Vers made, you don't usually read about a position coach saying bad things about a player on the roster, so you have to take it for what is't worth.

Other than being you, what was the point of that article? It was already posted on this site. There was actually a better one where he praised Louis and talked about Coleman. However, I sure as heck don't see where Saunders said any of these guys are going to the Pro Bowl. He is talking about "potential."

I hope that a couple of these guys pan out. But, I still don't get the point about taking Saunders word as gospel on one hand and not believing him on the other.

mac, peen just said he didn't want to talk about it anymore. Might be a good idea to back off.

I didn't call you a fool.

You asked for a link and I provided one. You then said you didn't believe it.

I have since said that there were several reports, including word from Pryor himself, that his camp went back to the Browns after they received the offer from Washington to discuss a one-year deal. The Browns were not interested.

Again, I am not blaming either side. However, I think both sides could have handled it better. Not sure what is wrong w/that line of thinking? Maybe I'm the fool????

It was the Brown's decision not to retain Hawkins... that's for sure.

It's not as simple as you incessantly harp on for Pryor. We offered him more money, and he turned it down for a 1-year deal with a team that has an established QB.

Oooops ... may as well leave it up now ....

Sorry ...



Speaking of Hawk ....

Andrew Hawkins - WR - Free Agent

Ex-Browns and Bengals WR Andrew Hawkins has told the Patriots he's retiring.
He's going to pursue a Ph.D. in economics. The longtime Ohio slot man was on the outside looking in of the Patriots' 53-man roster, as the team's top-five receivers were already set. Often unheralded, Hawkins' effectiveness had been on the wane. He turned 30 in March 2016. A 2008 UDFA, Hawkins hangs up his cleats with 209 receptions, all of which came from 2011-16.

Related: Patriots, Bengals, Browns

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Jul 25 - 2:21 PM

jc...

News about another ex-Browns WR.


Jay Gruden: Terrelle Pryor already is “one of the top guys in the league”

Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2017, 5:42 PM EDT
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In Washington, the top two receivers left via free agency, and the top free-agent acquisition at receiver is a former quarterback. But coach Jay Gruden realizes that Terrelle Pryor could eventually be one of the league’s best receivers.

Actually, Gruden seems to think Pryor already is.

“I think had he made this decision sooner in his career, I think he’d be further along,” Gruden told reporters on Monday. “But being that he just made it not too long ago, he’s where he is. I mean, he’s still one of the top guys in the league and he just started playing. He’s a physical freak. So we’re excited to have him and we’re going to continue to work with him. We just have to keep working. Kirk [Cousins] and Terrelle just have to get together so they get on the same page, get to know each other not only on the field but off the field.”

Gruden explained that Pryor’s background as a quarterback aided his transition.

“His ability to retain and pick up information in a hurry, really,” Gruden said when asked to identify how playing quarterback helped Pryor the most. “He’s picked up the system effortlessly. He asks good questions, has great logic when he is asking questions, wants to add more stuff for himself, like most quarterbacks would do. He’s been outstanding really. I just like the fact that he’s a very bright guy, understands coverages, understands where the ball should go and route concepts, which is very big. He is a very smart receiver, now it’s just about polishing up the little things and the details of each route and we’re working with him on that.”

Work has been the key word for Pryor, who separately made it clear that his current situation is the result of a lot of elbow grease.

“It wasn’t easy,” Pryor told reporters. “You guys see me as this big, 6-5, fast guy running out there, running past people, who’s so big and stuff like that. It may seem like it was easy, but I’ve spent – even from when I was with the Browns I transferred over and I got released from Cincinnati in 2015, I got picked up by the Browns and I only had a month to really train before I really even had the opportunity to go into camp and be ready for wideout, never playing it [the position] in my life. Countless hours. . . .

“I mean, countless hours. I’m talking about three hours. Tim Cortazzo, my trainer, he spent three, four hours a day, not just outside running routes but also going indoors running around cones because I really didn’t know how to handle my body, I didn’t know how to adjust my body, I didn’t know how to take control of myself. Now I’m at the point where I can control my body, I know where I’m going, I know what I want to do to the defender, I know how to stare at the guy in his eyes and make him think that I’m doing something else and then try to do something else. That’s what I continue to get better at, stuff like that.”

With Pryor, the question continues to be finding his ceiling and reaching it. Last year, a raw receiver catching passes from a revolving door of factory of sadness shift supervisors still generated more than 1,000 yards. With more time to develop and a 4,900-yard quarterback throwing the ball this year, Pryor could indeed emerge as one of the finest receivers in the game.

Nothing torques me off more than to see a good football player who used to be a Brown, playing for another NFL team due to the Browns front office actions and priorities.

Pryor gave the Browns a chance to sign him to the same one year contract he signed with the Redskins..."a show me contract"...and the Browns front office turned down that chance to sign Pryor to a 1 yr contract.

There is no debate on this subject so save it link to 1yr contract info

I guess the front office plan is to count on Josh Gordon returning from suspension, since they did not need Pryor. The front office does a great PR job..we almost signed all our free agents, they say. But they don't talk about the one they refused to sign.

Who cares? Not I.

It's one thing if other people bump the thread after a week, but for you to keep doing it is pretty funny.

I am sure in another week you will look for a bump to the top.

I hope Pryor catches 50 touchdowns, and gets 3200 yards receiving, runs back 18 kickoffs for TDs, and solves the physics question of how to get light without heat.

Just so I can read more of how our front office is the worst of all time, ever.

Anything less than those numbers and we'll hear how freaking smart our FO is and how we finally have the right guys in place.

Pfffttttttt..............

Between T.PRyor, and Josh Gordon, and Benjamin,..
and and and, Johnny Manziel. Man we really could have had something.

Hey that horse ain't dead yet! He's only sleeping; Just needs to get up and carry the rock.

I liked what I saw out of TP, blocking wise, I know that.

If the Browns can't recognize a good offensive player when they have them on their own team, then we are going to watch much of the same as we've seen the last decade.

I may be one of the few, or only, posters on this board who think what the Browns have done this offseason looks very similar to what they've done the past several years that didn't work; playoff wise.

Upgrade the defense, check/
Get a new defense, check/
focus on the defense, check/ (especially the line)
ignore the offense, check/

... At this point, it got real negative continuing this list, so may as well delete it.


I'm just saying it looks remarkably similar to every offseason they've had the last several years, in regards to where they put their focus, so when the results come in;

Ok, maybe this time is going to be different.

I could care less about Pryor, the guy took a lot less money to play somewhere other than with the only team willing to give him a shot at receiver a year ago. To hell with him.

That is not the truth. Pryor and his reps came back to Cleveland after they realized they weren't getting the high-dollar, long-term deal and asked the Browns for a one-year deal. The Browns blew him off.

Some might say that they were smart to do so. I say we are a worse team w/out him.

I say his ungrateful ass should have signed the four year contract they offered him.

Pryor is the new Alex Mack/Mitchel Schwartz now huh in that regards of talking? Great, look forward to it.

Don't worry. We'll have Crow to talk about next year probably too.

And if not.

We'll just keep talking about this.

So your mad at TP for gambling on himself? ... i don't get it ... i don't understand the bitterness ... he made a BUSINESS DECISION ...

We were offering around 8 a year ... appearantly he thinks hes worth around 14 mill a year if I'm remembering correctly from the reports i saw on here ..

He decided to try and up his value by taking a 1 year deal so he could PROVE he was worth what he wanted ... doing that here would have only proven he is a MORON .... its much easier to prove your worth with Cousins throwing u the rock then whoever we send out there week 1 or 2 and on and on ...

This wasn't a normal contract situation ... he played wr for 1 year ... obviously the league thought his value was around 8 mill ... he thought it was ALOT MORE so he decided to roll the dice ...

I don't understand the bitterness towards TP here ... I'm bummed he's not its us .. were a better team with him .. but i understand why he did it ...

Don't be shocked if he's back here next year ... i won't be ...

This is just a guess (I have no articles, reputable sources or no)... but I have doubts he would have signed here even if we had agreed to his 1-year contract demands.

His sole focus is the big contract, right? Why would you, gambling on yourself, stay with a team that has zilch at QB, and had just made big moves to develop the ground game? Wouldn't it make more sense to go to a team with a QB that has shown he can toss the rock? ...and, oh, btw, that team just lost their #1 deep threat (DJ).

If he did come back here with 1-year contract negotiations, I think it was to drive up the price. Again, just a guess of mine. That's based on him recognizing it makes no sense for him to try to have a statistically monster year here with what we have in place on offense.