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Would you do that Phoenix trade?

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Would you do that Phoenix trade?


I would in a heartbeat.

Because assuming LeBron leaves.

I still think if Jackson develops, Bledsoe, Him, and Love, are a good team in the East. Plus you get a pick. Something of which we don't have many of.


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It's hard for me to comment because I really don't know how good Jackson is. I hardly watched any college bb this year.

I do know this: I would trade Kyrie for Bledsoe, Booker, and a 1st.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
It's hard for me to comment because I really don't know how good Jackson is. I hardly watched any college bb this year.

I do know this: I would trade Kyrie for Bledsoe, Booker, and a 1st.
I'd do Kyrie straight up for Bledsoe and Booker ... the Suns still wouldn't do that IMO. They're both VERY good.


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They are, and Booker is only about 20 years old. For real...I think. LOL

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They are, and Booker is only about 20 years old. For real...I think. LOL
One of my old players was Booker's roommate at Kentucky. Long story short, he brought him to one of our practices two seasons ago (his rookie year) ... literally the nicest kid. And he can PLAY.


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Yeah, he is one of the more athletic guys in the league.

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What do you guys of think of Ben Simmons? Philly is now crowded at the PG position. What about Kyrie for Simmons plus others?

I think the combo of James and Simmons could be really deadly. Two guys who see the floor extremely well.

I also think if Kyrie is traded that Love will actually be better.

Starting to warm up to Bledsoe, Jackson, and a pick.

What a disaster. The latest I read was that LeBron asked for Irving to be traded for Paul after the championship and Irving found out about it. That's why Irving asked to be traded after the championship. I guess that makes as much sense as anything else.

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I don't think Philly would trade Simmons. He's their guy, right? Or, did I miss something?

I don't think the Cavs are a disaster. In fact, this might end up turning out to be the best thing for us.

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I'm assuming he's their guy, but if Kyrie is being traded, the Cavs have to get a "guy" back. I mean, the disaster will happen if the Cavs don't take equal talent or perceived potential back in a trade through a player or combination of players. Simmons hasn't played a game in the NBA. Kyrie is a proven superstar. Would Philly be interested? I have no idea. Just thought I would throw it out there.

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Okay...I was just asking if you heard something. I know they want to move Okafor, but we would have to get more than that.

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[quote=leadtheway]although I'm not sure reconciliation is possible now. Maybe keeping him to the trade deadline will maximize the return investment though.
If Dan Gilbert and Bron can reconcile, anything is possible


When did that happen?

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[quote=leadtheway]although I'm not sure reconciliation is possible now. Maybe keeping him to the trade deadline will maximize the return investment though.
If Dan Gilbert and Bron can reconcile, anything is possible


When did that happen?


2014? You don't remember that?


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[quote=leadtheway]although I'm not sure reconciliation is possible now. Maybe keeping him to the trade deadline will maximize the return investment though.
If Dan Gilbert and Bron can reconcile, anything is possible


When did that happen?


2014? You don't remember that?


I think LeBron is just using Gilbert (and the Cavs). I think he will end up screwing Gilbert in the end.

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Lets say LeBron leaves after next season. LeBron will have returned for four years with at least 3 Finals appearances and 1 championship.

Has he really used Gilbert then?

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Lets say LeBron leaves after next season. LeBron will have returned for four years with at least 3 Finals appearances and 1 championship.

Has he really used Gilbert then?


Yes. He marketed himself as a savior who returned home. That changed the perception of him. He also got Klutch Sports clients' Tristan Thompson and J.R. Smith fat contracts.

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That's like the ex-girlfriend calling you up for a late night quickie. Sure, she used you, but you were ok with it.

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That's like the ex-girlfriend calling you up for a late night quickie. Sure, she used you, but you were ok with it.


I agree. It is/was mutually beneficial. Although supposedly Gilbert lost a money on the team the past couple of years, he did win a ring. The value of the team is way up, but I assume it will plummet if LeBron leaves.

LeBron comes out golden no matter what.

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Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving were at a wedding together. Curry was mocking LeBron. Irving was there next to him egging him on.

https://twitter.com/NBALowdown/status/891676627012333568

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Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving were at a wedding together. Curry was mocking LeBron. Irving was there next to him egging him on.

https://twitter.com/NBALowdown/status/891676627012333568
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Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving were at a wedding together. Curry was mocking LeBron. Irving was there next to him egging him on.

https://twitter.com/NBALowdown/status/891676627012333568
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Way to go Kyrie, you were the number one guy on a perennial loser every year you were in the league until Lebron comes back, bringing other quality guys in his wake and go the finals the very next year and this is who you are?


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I wish we had a successful, stable franchise like the Clippers.

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Kyrie is quickly turning into Lebron ver 1.0. He probably doesn't understand what a good situation he has here and could very well regret it in a couple of years.

I also think he could be the source of most the angst and such of the franchise. After Griff left, he's probably the one that told Jimmy Butler not to come. Even Kevin Love seemed to make a passive-aggressive tweet toward him after the news came out that he wanted to get traded. The news about Lebron leaving has also died down quite a bit.

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Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving were at a wedding together. Curry was mocking LeBron. Irving was there next to him egging him on.

https://twitter.com/NBALowdown/status/891676627012333568


This resorts back to being a distraction. Grant him his trade wish and let's get something for him... and move on. Irving was a top favorite player of mine, and quickly has become opposite.

Part ways.

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Good article by Terry Pluto on the Cavs:

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Cleveland Cavaliers have Terry Talkin' Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer

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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- What was the Cleveland Cavaliers' record when LeBron James and Kevin Love played together -- and Kyrie Irving sat?

I didn't know the answer when that question first occurred to me. It's 25-10. Even more significant, it's 24-7 in the last two seasons.

Irving was out for the first 10 weeks of the 2015-16 season, recovering from a fractured kneecap. The Cavs were 20-7 in those games. Mo Williams filled in at point guard.

The record when James sat while Irving and Love played? It's 3-13.

This is not meant to simply trash Irving. He is an incredible scorer. He apparently doesn't see it this way, but Irving is an incredible player when on the court with James.

And Love is very, very good.

Lost in all the debate and angst about Irving's trade request is Love's value. The 6-foot-10 power forward struggles against Golden State. The quick pace is a challenge for him.

Here are Love's stats for the five-game 2017 NBA Finals: 16 points per game, 11.2 rebounds, .388 from the field, .387 on 3-pointers. So let's not pretend he was the second coming of Melvin Turpin or Ben Poquette in those games.

In the regular season and against Eastern Conference playoff opponents, Love is an All-Star. When Irving is out and he's the second scoring option after James, Love tends to thrive.

The 6-foot-10 Love averaged 19 points and 11.1 rebounds in the regular season. He made the All-Star team. Furthermore, he has shown a willingness to sacrifice and fit in with the Cavs.

For all the talk about how Irving can't fully bloom with the Cavs, he averaged 25 points a game. He led the team in shots. Coach Tyronn Lue labeled Irving "an attack guard" and basically allowed him to shoot anytime from anywhere.

Love has had to adapt. He has done just that, to the best of his ability.

That's one reason fans should not despair when Irving is traded ... and I expect that to happen.

A Cavs team starting with James and Love remains the best in the Eastern Conference.

THE JAMES RUMORS

When in doubt, blame LeBron James. That seems to be what the Kyrie Irving camp is doing.

Before ESPN's Stephen A. Smith came out with the comments about Irving's people blaming James for word of his trade request becoming public, I also heard that in NBA circles.

A. I don't think it's true.

B. No matter who leaked it, the fact is Irving and his agent met with Dan Gilbert. They made their trade demand, and gave the Cavs owner a list of four teams as preferred destinations.

C. In other words, Irving wants out despite taking three trips to the Finals and leading the team in shots attempted per game.
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D. I heard James was upset by Irving's request. I don't blame him. It seems about 90 percent of the NBA wants to play with James because it's a ticket the NBA Finals. That 90 percent knows how hard it is to reach the championship round.

E. The other 10 percent are members of the Golden State Warriors and a few guys who don't want the challenge and the pressure that comes with playing with James for an NBA title.

F. For more than a week, Irving and his people have had chances to issue statements, denials ... something. Instead, there has been nothing other than Irving mocking James in a video featuring the song "Coming Home." That's probably part of the strategy to be traded.

IRVING'S THINKING

1. The Irving camp is discussing this idea: They don't really want to be away from James. They just want to know James will be around for more than another season.

2. James has not committed for anything beyond 2017-18. And he probably won't decide until after the upcoming season. He'll weigh his free-agent options and pick the best spot to seek another title.

3. Irving is under contract for two more years. So he could easily play 2017-18 and then decide what to do in the summer of 2018. With one year left on his contract next July, he could pull a Paul George. At the end of 2016-17 season, George told Indiana that he was walking in 12 months, which led to a trade to Oklahoma City.

4. If Irving really was all that concerned about James and the future, he'd give it another year. He wants out. Having two years left on his contract, he has no control where he ends up. The Cavs can trade him anywhere.

5. The only thing Irving can do is see where he's traded. If he doesn't like it, he can refuse to report to the new team. Of course, he also would not be paid under that plan.

ABOUT THE CAVS

1. The signing of Derrick Rose by new general manager Koby Altman is a big deal, even if he plays only half the game. Rose is an excellent pick-and-roll player. He is on a one-year, veteran minimum contract. He went from making $20 million to $2.1 million. He needs a big season to revive his career.

2. Rose averaged 18 points and 4.4 assists last season, shooting .471 from the field. The 6-foot-3 point guard doesn't shoot well from the outside -- 13-of-60 (.217) on 3-pointers. According to NBA Stats, he scored only 36 points on "catch-and-shoot" jumpers.

3. Rose loves to drive to the rim -- 41 percent of his shots are within 3-feet of the hoop. The Cavs will need to pair him with a point guard who can make 3-pointers. They may believe Jose Calderon can do that, but I want someone else.

4. While Rose has battled knee problems and other injuries, he's missed 34 games over the last two seasons. I actually thought it was more. He seems to have some attitude issues with the Knicks. But the Cavs believe playing with James on a minimum contract will be real motivation. Rose already is working out with James.

5. My former colleague and co-author, Brian Windhorst (ESPN), has suggested a trade of Irving to Phoenix for Eric Bledsoe and rookie Josh Jackson. That is appealing. Jackson is a 6-foot-8 small forward from Kansas. He was the No. 4 pick in the draft. Phoenix recently hired former Cavalier James Jones as vice president of basketball operations. Jones is a close friend of James.

6. Bledsoe is a 6-foot-1 guard who has averaged 20.5 points and shot .444 from the field in the last two seasons. His 3-point shooting in that span is .343. He is a tough defender. Like Rose, he is working out with James. Bledsoe is represented by Klutch Sports, the agency for James. Bledsoe has two years worth $29 million left on his contract.

7. My main concern with Bledsoe is two surgeries on his right knee (2011, 2014) and one on his left knee (2015). He was healthy last season. He is only 27.

8. I had a casual conversation with former Cavs GM David Griffin several weeks before the draft. He absolutely loved the athletic Jackson. The 20-year-old would give the Cavs a small forward with fresh, lively legs. Phoenix has said it won't trade Jackson, but we'll see.

9. Minnesota really wants Irving. The Cavs would love to add Andrew Wiggins. Other Minnesota players would have to be in the deal to make it work on the salary cap. This seems a bit harder to imagine than a deal with Phoenix.

10. My next library appearance will be on Aug. 16 at 7 p.m. at the Nordonia Hills branch. It's free!


http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/07/cleveland_cavaliers_have_terry_101.html


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Phoenix recently hired former Cavalier James Jones as vice president of basketball operations.


Wait, WHAT?? shocked

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Oh yes they did. Wake up old man wink


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I am so over this group, thanks for the title, There is less drama on the those Real Housewives than this team, BLOW IT UP , trade Irving to the Kings.

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Kyrie is quickly turning into Lebron ver 1.0. He probably doesn't understand what a good situation he has here and could very well regret it in a couple of years.


Is LeBron version 1.0 LeBron pre-"The Decision"? If so, how was he in a good situation? Even if he was in a good situation, the Miami was much better (Riley running the team, Spoelstra coaching, two other Hall of Famers, etc.).

Irving wanting to leave does not remind of LeBron at all. He is on a literal championship contender as the second best player. Something has to be going on that we don't know about.

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Kyrie is quickly turning into Lebron ver 1.0. He probably doesn't understand what a good situation he has here and could very well regret it in a couple of years.


Is LeBron version 1.0 LeBron pre-"The Decision"? If so, how was he in a good situation? Even if he was in a good situation, the Miami was much better (Riley running the team, Spoelstra coaching, two other Hall of Famers, etc.).

Irving wanting to leave does not remind of LeBron at all. He is on a literal championship contender as the second best player. Something has to be going on that we don't know about.


I agree. I don't think the situations are similar.

I also agree that something else is going on which is why I think the "LeBron wanted to trade Irving for Paul rumor after the 2016 championship" has some legs.

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Kinda of ready for the LBJ era 1 and 2 to be over, would like to see some young talent instead of the same old past their prime players on a loop.
We will stink util Gilbert sells but oh well.

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Kinda of ready for the LBJ era 1 and 2 to be over, would like to see some young talent instead of the same old past their prime players on a loop.
We will stink util Gilbert sells but oh well.


Oh please ... the only reason we "stink" is because we run into the mega-team that is Golden State at the end of the Playoffs. Other than that, we've been to the Finals 3-straight years. Are you really longing for the days of 2010-2013?

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Heck if we settled for Bledsoe and a bunch of picks (please don't) we're probably still ganna make the Finals next year.

LeBron ganna be in F U mode.

The only thing better is if we sent Kyrie to an East team and met in the playoffs.


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looks like melo won't waive no trade clause to come to cleveland...I don't care about that so much as I couldn't think of a worse fit for us, but that kinda leads me to believe that the lebron bouncing next year has some teeth


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Actually, the current narrative that seems to be the most popular at the moment is that no one wants to play with LeBron.

I actually think LeBron is going to stay.

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Staying on the Cavs with Love and whatever we get for Kyrie is his best bet to make the Finals, unless he wants to take a vet minimum deal with SA or GS... which honestly would be hilarious.


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j/c:

I am going to laugh so hard when the LeBron and Cavs win the Championship next year.

LeBron will be laughing at all the haters, too. Dude is bigger than life.

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You think about it. Even if the East gets "better", barring a legit decline in his play.

He could possibly go to 10 straight Finals.

Will his record in them beat super great? Maybe not.

But seriously. 10 straight Finals? Maybe even win a title or two more? That's GOAT status.

He can't do that in LA.


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I think LeBron is chasing the legacy thang. And what better way to do it than shove it up everyone's butts when he wins w/out Kyrie?

I really think that if we make that deal w/the Suns or a similar deal............this team will be a real threat to GS.

While the rest of the world doubts, I trust in LeBron and the what the Cavs have.

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