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McCourty.

Given the question, this is my answer too. However with Ed slotted at FS, I think the guy that "will actually" step up there is that Nacua kid.

Jabrill Peppers - DB - Browns

ESPN Cleveland reports first round S Jabrill Peppers' role is a "work in progress."
Peppers has been repping with the second and third team defenses through the first week of training camp. It's not a great sign he hasn't passed Ibraheim Campbell, but the Browns are still counting on him to become the starter. Calvin Pryor is also in the mix at strong safety opposite Derrick Kindred.

Source: ESPN Cleveland Aug 2 - 6:09 PM

FWIW

Media wont miss something like that. lol.

They asked Jabrill what was his second position, so it's possible.

This. Myles Garrett just moved up to take 1st team snaps. Des Bryant just moved up to take 1st team snaps. Kizer is (technically) 3rd on the depth chart.

I think it's far more telling when people get moved around vs where people are right now.

Re. our FS position. While I would love to see Haden get moved back there, we could only do that if we had a glut of talent at the CB position (we don't). Hopefully we can draft or acquire young talent to man the #1CB spot, pushing Haden somewhere else.

I read/heard somewhere that bunch of different CBs (Haden, McCourty, iirc Taylor and Boddy) took some snaps at S, it was very ambiguous though as to the extent of their snaps there

I wish one of the local reporters or CBD would dig a little deeper into the Safety situation, especially with Ed Reynolds being out. His absence thins out and already barren position group.

Of the options on the roster right now I would like to see Nicua, Peppers and McCourty get work at FS. But it appears that Kindred is taking the FS reps? I find this revelation odd because of badly he struggled at FS last year, I figured he would be at the very back of the FS line. *shrugs* but who knows? Time will tell but i would bet that Kindred isn't the week 1 FS.

I don't think that 'sign' means anything in terms of reading into Peppers development. Its an organizational thing with making rookies earn it.

the safety depth chart should get some clarity tonight at the scrimmage.
it's supposed to be:
1s on O vs 2s on D
2s on O vs 1s on D

Any guesses for the line-up in the secondary?

What would you do if different?

#2 DEF

FS-Campbell

SS-Peppers

CB-Boddy
CB-Burley
NCB-Trey Caldwell

#1 DEF

FS-Kindred (based on reports)

SS-Pryor (based on reports)

CB-Haden
CB-McCourty
NCB-Taylor

Brown team is listed as the "1st team"

The Brown team DBs are:

DB Briean Boddy-Calhoun

DB Jamar Taylor

DB Jabrill Peppers

DB Joe Haden

DB Ibraheim Campbell

DB Derrick Kindred

DB Jason McCourty

so this report:
ESPN Cleveland reports first round S Jabrill Peppers' role is a "work in progress."

Peppers has been repping with the second and third team defenses through the first week of training camp. It's not a great sign he hasn't passed Ibraheim Campbell, but the Browns are still counting on him to become the starter. Calvin Pryor is also in the mix at strong safety opposite Derrick Kindred.

Source: ESPN Cleveland Aug 2 - 6:09 PM




already looks incorrect for listing Pryor as in the mix to start next to Kindred when Pryor is on the "White team"/2nd team and Kindred is on the "Brown" team/1st team.

Starting secondary was good in the scrimmage:

FS -Kindred

SS -Campbell

NB-Jamar Taylor

CB-Haden

CB-Jason McCourty


Peppers came in and played with the 1st unit along side Kindred and Campbell and to some snaps at FS

That's about what I expected, although I didn't really know Kindred/Campbell would both be starting .... they seemed too similar in their skillsets

I think it's hard enough for a rookie to learn a single position in the NFL much less multiple positions or responsibilities. Peppers didn't really have a definable position in the NCAA and now they wish to follow that same pattern in the NFL? It kind of sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

What if his position is that he doesn't have a position?

This is obviously an exception, but Deone Bucannon was in a similar "position" for the Cardinals his rookie season and was fine.

I think Peppers will be fine. He's gonna play "safety" in this defense meaning based on the look he could play in the box or deep or in some match-ups over a slot.

It might be easier to for the staff to refer to him by a position. as opposed the actual places he could line up. I don't think he's being put in an out of the ordinary predicament in regards to playing S.


Peppers imo is likely to be the starting "SS" I think Landon Collins is a good comp in terms of skill set and possible playing style.

I tend to agree, unless Hue decides to get too cute (as he was known to do at times last year). I could see him trying to put Peppers in the backfield and motion Duke to the slot or whatever.

nice to see

Love the leveling type hit there. Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J/c

Jabrill Peppers - DB - Browns

Browns coach Hue Jackson said first-round S Jabrill Peppers is "getting better every day."
Filling in at strong safety for Ibraheim Campbell (concussion), Peppers reportedly had himself a practice on Monday, making a big hit, breaking up a couple passes, and intercepting another. "I think he’s showing you he can play anywhere," Jackson said. "I think he’s a very dynamic player and I’m glad he’s here." Peppers has not officially cracked the starting lineup yet, but it seems just like a matter of time.

Source: ESPN Aug 15 - 9:29 AM

I like hearing this about Peppers, and am hoping it's not just a coach spinning positive vibes about a rookie. It'd be awesome if Peppers turns into a good player

I really do hate to be the wet blanket, but that looked like helmet2helmet. I didn't see the slow-mo, but given the way Hall's helmet moved through the hit, and the flakiness of NFL refs, he's probably going to get flagged for that.

Yeah, I loved the way Hall held onto the ball, and reportedly just bounced back up.

I think that he would have had a chance to make the team last year ..... so it will be interesting to see how he does this year. One thing that helps a lot of these young players is the new cut down rules, where they get the entire camp to show that they belong. For many, instead of being cut before the 4th preseason game, they get a shot to show something in that game.

Patrick Maks
August 16th 2017 1:55 pm

Video: Kruse: Allow guys to do what they do best

Justin Currie, who joined the Browns practice squad in December, could tell there was something special about Cleveland following a tryout with the team late last season.

The second-year safety and former Western Michigan standout said it all reminded him of home back in Big Rapids, Michigan, and so did the people working inside the team’s facility.

“Right away, after that tryout I was like, ‘I really hope I end up going here.’ And when I got the call, I was ecstatic," he said last week.

"From meeting everybody on the staff, to the main office to the equipment guys to the weight room guys, everything just felt right. And being from Michigan, not far away, even the city of Berea here and Cleveland reminds me a lot of home. And so right away, that really hit me and the guys on the team are great. It’s a lot of young guys on the team trying to prove something and I'm right there with them."

Indeed, Currie has emerged as something of a pleasant surprise throughout training camp, earning reps with the first- and second-team defense as the Browns start to curate their 53-man roster. An undrafted free agent in 2015 who was waived by the Giants because of an injury, Currie has found something of a niche under new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who has laid out an earn-your-keep philosophy when it comes to playing time.

“I’ll tell you this, he's a surprising young man to most. I think he does some really good things,” assistant defensive backs coach Jerod Kruse said. “He’s really come into his own in the scheme and he’s comfortable in it.”

That has been evident as the Browns prepare for Monday’s preseason game against New York. In the team’s most-recent unofficial depth chart, Currie is listed as a starter opposite of Derrick Kindredfollowing an injury to Ibraheim Campbell (concussion) in Thursday’s opener.

Ask Currie about that rise up the depth chart, though, and he’ll shrug it off. “It’s nice to see that," he said, "but it just shows you there’s work to be done."

That workmanlike approach has served Currie well as he competes for a roster spot in a room that includes Kindred, Campbell, rookie and 25th overall pick Jabrill Peppers and Calvin Pryor III.

A two-star prospect at Big Rapids High School, Currie blossomed into a pivotal player an hour-and-a-half north at Western Michigan, amassing 340 tackles, five interceptions and 11 pass breakups in 37 starts. He was also key in helping the upstart Broncos finish 8-5 his senior season after a 1-11 campaign in 2013.

When Currie went undrafted the following spring, he said “that really didn’t mean much to me.”

“It’s great to get drafted," he continued, "but I’ve always come from a background of with a chip on my shoulder. I came from a small town in Big Rapids — a lot of people have never heard of it. It was just another one of those scenarios, even coming out of high school into college, being from a small town going to a D1 school, there’s a lot to prove. So then going undrafted was just another one of those things where you have something to prove.”

So far in camp, Currie has earned the confidence of the coaching staff. “There's a high level of trust there,” Kruse said. “His physical toughness and effort is never in question. You're going to see him make more plays than you may think”

And as Currie continues to draw attention, he emphasized now is not the time to grow complacent.

“I think it’s really about the journey and not the end result," he said. "It’s always the journey and trying to work toward the end result but you got to remember there's always so much work you can do and that needs to be done.”

Another diamond in the rough?

Currie must be doing a good job thus far ... to be ahead of others on the depth chart says something (about him or the others haha)

Western Michigan pro day

Date: 03/19/15 03/21/15

Justin Currie;

Height: 6021
Weight: 215
40 Yrd Dash: 4.63
20 Yrd Dash: *2.54*
10 Yrd Dash: 1.52
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: *37 1/2*
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.15
3-Cone Drill: 6.88

Not too shabby for a SS.

Yeah, he fits the role of a SS more than a FS obviously, at least based on measurements. I wonder what his sparq was

Peppers for comparisons

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5113
Weight: 213
40 Yrd Dash: *4.46*
20 Yrd Dash: 2.62
10 Yrd Dash: *1.54*
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: *10'07"*

You're right about that. We traded for Pryor, and I can't remember reading, hearing, or seeing anything about him since.

I liked what I saw of Currie the other night. He stood out in a positive way.

We may have found 1 or 2 diamonds in the rough in our D- backfield. Along with Coley, Leslie and Dayes that's pretty good.

I was incorrect in my assumption that it would be hard to duplicate the success that former undrafted players have enjoyed in the resent past seasons...I was wrong in my assumptions. The thing that lead me to that assumption initially was the fact that our roster has had an influx of talent through the past two drafts and FA, to go along with the additions of UDFA already.

In summary;

Some good players will not make the cuts this year.

Not trying to be a downer, but it's kinda early to be proclaiming that we have so many good players, especially considering we went 1 and 15 last year.

I managed to make an OTA this summer and he caught my eye. I said to myself who is this guy draped all over our TE's.

His size is visible vs guys like Holtz or Devalve.