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Originally Posted By: ThatGuy

How effective is Brock ganna be with the 1s when he's mostly been with the 2s?

I think he will be MORE effective. He has taken the #2 unit against the #1 D unit and at least looked serviceable. I think having the #1 O would make it better.

From reading all the tweets coming from camp, I'd say he is adjusting just fine.

Unpopular opinion : Brock will be our QB for the year.

QB won't matter as it will be our running game that gets us to 8 and 8 this year.

No offense at all, but we've had some talent at RB over these past 17-18 years.. and yet still we've only hit the 0.500 mark twice.

The Qb matters.

Jimmy will talk to them, you'll see.

Just win, baby!

Brock starts first. Kessler should get fewer reps so the other guys mesh.

What is a Cleveland Browns training camp without a QB controversy? Somebody win this thang and lets go win some games!

I understand "better players" around you, you should be better.

But assuming the 1s even finish the first Quarter. There's a lot of timing there.

Not that we as fans, or the media, would overreact to the first preseason game....

Brock On: Osweiler picked to start Browns exhibition opener

BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Brock Osweiler has risen from trade throw-in to preseason starter.

The Browns’ never-ending quarterback saga has produced yet another surprise.

Cleveland coach Hue Jackson picked Osweiler over Cody Kessler, rookie DeShone Kizer and Kevin Hogan to start Thursday’s exhibition opener against the New Orleans Saints in what will be an important stage in a QB competition that’s midway through its second week, with no end in sight.

Jackson said he chose Osweiler primarily because he’s got NFL experience and he wants to give both Kessler and Kizer more playing time.


“It’s best for me to trot Brock out there, see if he can go lead this offense and lead the team and in the process keep getting these young guys more reps,” Jackson said following Monday’s practice. “They just need to play. DeShone needs to play more. Cody needs to play more and Kevin needs to play more, and I thought this is the way to do it.”

As for who will start Cleveland’s opener on Sept. 10 against Pittsburgh, Jackson insisted he hasn’t made up his mind.

“This thing is not over by any stretch,” he said.

Osweiler, who started 14 games for Houston last season, had a solid practice while taking his first snaps with Cleveland’s starting offense. He completed several long passes, including a deep one to wide receiver Corey Coleman, who made a one-handed grab.

“Brock knows how to play,” said Jackson, who added he met with the Browns’ front office executives before making the call. “He’s very conscientious. He works extremely hard. He’s gained a lot of respect in the locker room because of the way he prepares, so he did a good job today and obviously it’s his first opportunity with those guys so we just need to keep fine-tuning some things.”

When the Browns acquired Osweiler in March, taking him and his guaranteed $16 million contract simply so they could get a 2018 second-round pick, it appeared the 26-year-old wouldn’t be in Cleveland for long.

But Osweiler is still around, and he could wind up beating out Kessler and Kizer, the team’s presumed future QB.

“This league gives you opportunities,” Osweiler said. “Sometimes, you don’t know when they’re going to come. Sometimes, you do know when they’re going to come. I think the key is making the most out of that opportunity, and if you do, the rest will take care of itself.”


Osweiler has impressed the Browns with his attitude, work ethic and leadership. He went 8-6 during his one season with Houston but didn’t connect with coach Bill O’Brien, and the Texans were eager to move him before striking the deal with Cleveland.

There’s no guarantee the Browns won’t shop him, too. Miami coach Adam Gase, who coached Osweiler in Denver, reportedly reached out to Cleveland last week after Ryan Tannehill injured his knee. The Dolphins signed Jay Cutler on Monday.

Osweiler isn’t taking any extra satisfaction in working his way onto the depth chart — and now up it.

“No gratification,” he said. “This is just one step. There’s a lot of chemistry to be built. There are a lot of fine details that need to be cleaned up through meetings and more practice sessions.”

Osweiler played the best of Cleveland’s four QBs on Friday night in a scrimmage at FirstEnergy Stadium. He led his team to two field goals, and Jackson said that performance factored into his decision to start him Thursday.

Kizer, who missed a wide-open touchdown pass during the scrimmage, said it’s critical for one of the quarterbacks to step forward.

“It’s very vital,” said the former Notre Dame starter. “There needs to be a pecking order in order for the leadership to happen the way it needs to. ... Brock was named that guy, and this week he’s already out there running things the way he needs to run them as a true one quarterback, and if that guy does happen to change to a new guy, then that guy needs to step in that week and treat it as if it’s his team.”

Kessler has had a disappointing camp despite showing better arm strength and being in great shape. He went 0-8 as a rookie starter last season when he got pushed into the lineup because of injuries to Robert Griffin III and Josh McCown. Kessler came into camp as the man to beat, but he’s been inconsistent and seems to have slipped behind Osweiler and Kizer.

“My job is to put the best guy out there that’s going to give us a chance,” Jackson said. “I’m not saying that Cody still can’t be that guy. But right now, what I’m feeling is, let’s go in a different direction.”

https://apnews.com/03cf3913722d4afbb35cd824d3432381

j/c...

Congrats to Brock for not being as bad as Kessler. Going to be a grueling season offensively.

In the end, this will be a year to evaluate Kizer.

It sounds to me that Hue made Brock #1 so that the other QBs could get more time in the preseason game.

I suspect that Brock will get a series or 2 .... then Kessler will take over for the rest of the 1st half. Then Kizer and Hogan will get the 3rd and 4th quarters.

I won't mind at all if Brock winds up looking great though. (or any of the others do too/either)

I think each QB will get a qtr. Or, Brock gets 1.5/Kess 1.5 and then Kizer and Hogan split 1. Or, Kizer gets one to himself and Hogan sits.

I think Brock should be given the benefit of the doubt. Elway wanted the guy to be his franchise QB. He struggled mightily at Houston but, it was a clash of personalities and a system that didn't utilize him to his full potential. If we can get Brock back to where he was with Denver, and maybe even better, then he could be the surprise dark horse of the season.

Watch this space.

We haven't seen much .. but Brock deserves A SHOT ... weather by default or him EARING it ... *L* ...

This isn't about the others getting more time in a pre-season game ... thats SILLY at best .... come on guys ... not only is it silly it would be downright DUMB and make me question Hue's sanity ... there's only so many first team reps to go around ...

CK has not improved at all ... not one iota according to the reports and the play on last Friday ..

DK is not ready ... and i won't sugar coat it ... at ND there was the innacuracy and locking on and bad decisions we saw on Friday night (maybe not the locking on Friday night) BUT there were also some great plays and awesome throws ..... not sure we saw even o9ne good throw ...

It'll get better with him ... just like with CK after last year ... question is will he get to good enough ... his upside is huge ... IF ... IF is the big word ...

I would LOVE to eat crap from Vers and everyone else over BO for the next decade .. i highly doubt it but it appears he's our best option at this moment in time ....

Good Luck BO ... go get um ...

Only "shocked" people in this are Grossi and Mary Kay whose powers of prediction are still unmatched.

I expect a variety of starters. I want to see what Brock does with the ones; been handcuffed a bit by what he was given to work alongside. Want to see some positive stuff.

I checked for us. Due to a recent rules revision for this year, it is now OK for Cleveland to win a preseason game. Just sayin'.

Grossi actually got it right. Mary Kay on the other hand is still pushing Kizer.

NO is the 1st preseason game and starters only play ~7-15 snaps. If Kessler or Kizer went out with the 1st unit they wouldn't receive as many game reps as they will get (and need) by being with 2nd/3rd team units.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kizer 'posiiton' on the depth chart is moved around to ensure he gets lots of preseason snaps.

TLDR: Its not one or the other...its both.

Considering Brock is the only legit starter we have. No surprises here.

So your saying that its more important to have CK and DK get more snaps in a pre-season game working with the 2nd and 3rd teams respectively while SACRIFICING VERY IMPORTANT FIRST TEAM snaps with the 1st team during the entire week ... sounds like a good plan to me .. ...

This is clearly a case of getting the person you've chosen to start the first pre-season game reps with the 1st team THEREFORE the others will be playing more in pre-season game #1 ...

I've never even heard of what u guys are suggesting ... it makes zero sense ...

Your premise is that snaps for CK and DK with 2nd teamers and guys that will be bagging groceries in a month vs NO's "scrubs" in a pre-season game are more important than getting snaps ALL WEEK LONG for the guy u have chosen to be your starter ... albeit a pre-season game ... Okie Dokie Smokie ...

I go back to what i said before .. WHAT WORLD DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IN??? ...

Some buy into the public relations statements more than football logic.

Lol, here we go. Just because you've never heard of it/don't agree matters none to me.

Do you always get like this when you don't understand where a different view point comes from?

The only help i can lend to your understanding is that actual game reps even if its only pre-season are more important and provide a more real glimpse into a young QB's ability to play in real a game then practice reps with the 1s.

This is an argumentative point so i'm gonna let it go. But whether you agree or not the actually case is that both are true. It is good to get answer/evaluate Brock with 1s considering how he looked with the 2s. It is also good to get Kessler but Kizer especially real live game reps. Both are being accomplished.

I get this way (point things out) when what someone says makes no sense what so ever ... like in this case ...

No one would sacrifice 1st team reps for an entire week of practice so anyone could play longer in a pre-season game ... if what Hue wanted was to evaluate the other guy(s) in game situations ... he could start him and then keep him in with the twos ...

BO is with the 1's cause he's played "better" than the other two ... not cause he wants to get CK and DK more reps in a pre-season game ...

What u say makes no sense what so ever ... thats not my fault ... sorry for pointing it out .... I'll go back to not replying to U ... well until u say something thats just makes no sense at all ...

Later ....

So this doesn't mean that Brock will now get all of the reps with the 1's?

It doesn't mean he gets to work on continuity with the 1st string offense?

Not every line the HC tells the media is gospel. If you're giving one QB the advantage of working with the first team all week it has something to do with building a cohesive unit.

Playing with the 2nd and 3rd team aren't going to help Cody or Kizer do that.

I posted my comments BEFORE Hue had his press conference explaining his reason. So whatever your hangup is with that has 0 bearing with me.

Lol, making no sense to you is a you problem. I can't help you with that. if you don't understand it, then you don't understand. You can belittle begrudge or whine or whatever else you are doing.

Both objectives are being accomplished. Whether you like it, agree with it or understand it.Getting an answer with Brock with the 1s team and getting Kiser game reps are not mutually exclusive (look it up it seems like it might be a new concept for you lol)

cheers anyhow

If this is all about snaps, Is there a rule that u can't play with both the 1st and 2nd teams in a pre-season game? ... must be a new one, i must have missed it when they announced it ... u wanna get snarky ... I'm ok with that ... *L* ..

I was simply making a point ... your way to sensitive ed ... thats why i quit posting to U ...

What u said makes no sense .. NONE ... I understand that both "objectives" are getting accomplished .. u didn't understand that when i basically said that two posts ago .. go re-read the line with the THEREFORE in it ...

Go ahead ed ... u can take the last shot .. I'll leave u alone now .. talk to u in 6 months to a year again ...

Enjoy Ed ...

Lol, hey whatever floats your boat is all good with me.

Dont fret about my sensitivity, especially if you're gonna whine about snark? If u don't like it.....don't dish it?

Anyhow if you understand that both objectives are in fact being accomplished then why are you crying it makes no sense?

And don't move the goal posts on me, thats lame. The answer to your question is of course; but that wouldn't accomplish both objectives would it? Lol.

Cynical money ball thought: we're showcasing Osweiler to see if a team's QB goes down to flip him again for a pick. Similar to the Eagles model with Wentz last year, only with a poorer man's version in Kizer.

Either way, seems to be a big indictment on Kessler.

I find no joy in watching these lowlights.

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/LZzSEodeit0[/video]

Six minutes of lowlights. . . from one season.

Yeah... ouchy.

Brock will get the start during preseason, but Kizer will start the season.

j/c:

If Brock maintains the starting job, hopefully he'll be good enough to keep in moving into Brocktober. Because if that happens, I'm gonna brock out with my brock out.

Then finally, we can change the stadium name from the Factory of Sadness to the Brocktogon.

Hopefully we're not 0-4 by Brocktober.

Thanks for the constructive post addressing my questions. lmao

Mary Kay is pretty bad at her job. Her writing is horrible, and she doesn't know football like she should.

Maybe Brock has been elevated because he is the best qb at this point.

I think Kiser was given a long look with the 1's to give him the best chance to succeed. Not as a push to make him the starter, but rather to help build his confidence.

The reports the last few days since Brock has been working with the 1's in practice is that the team is looking vey good.

Brock has the most experience, and no matter what some think, he has talent. This is his shot to put it together. My hope is his years of experience will put him in a position to not only keep the job, but actually pull away and put to rest this QB talk in Cleveland for many years.

That is the best thing that can happen.