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Must be the racist in me that thinks only citizens of the country should be allowed to elect the folks running our goverment ... stupid racism .... I know when I was in Italy and I couldn't vote I was really steamed .... ....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/07/mar...dents-vote.html

Maryland city mulling over idea to let illegal immigrants vote

The city, which is home of the University of Maryland’s main campus and nearly 30,000 residents, is weighing approval of the new measure to let noncitizens cast ballots for mayor and City Council, The Baltimore Sun reported Sunday.

Supporters of the measure say that local elections focus on issues like trash collection, and other municipal services and they are issues that affect residents of the city, regardless of their citizenship status.

“These are folks who have a significant stake in our community, and who rely on the facilities in our city,” College Park City Councilwoman Christine Nagle, who is sponsoring the measure, said to the newspaper. “To me, it just made sense.”

Others in the community say that immigrants should not have a say until they have completed the process of becoming a citizen.

"On a personal level, I do not agree that noncitizens should be voting," College Park City Councilwoman Mary C. Cook said before adding that she will listen to her constituents before making a decision.

Jeff Werner, an advocate for tighter immigration restrictions with the advocacy group Help Save Maryland told the newspaper that he felt even more strongly about undocumented immigrants going to the voting booth.

“What gives them that privilege?” He asked.

A total of 10 municipalities across two counties allow noncitizens to vote in local elections. Voters in Takoma Park, a liberal enclave in Montgomery County, narrowly approved a referendum in making the town one of the first to allow the practice in Maryland.

It was preceded by Barnesville — a small town near Sugarloaf Mountain in Montgomery County — has allowed noncitizens to vote since 1918 and Somerset, which approved noncitizen voting in 1976.

The number of communities in Maryland adopting the measure has surged in recent months. Hyattsville in Prince George’s County approved immigrant voting just last year, followed by Mount Rainier, also in Prince George’s County.

The College Park proposal like the other municipalities, does not distinguish between legal permanent residents and undocumented immigrants.

Those in favor of the policy say that’s by design.

“We very intentionally made it so that we did not have questions about citizenship status,” said Patrick Paschall, a former member of the Hyattsville council who championed the legislation there said to the Sun. “It undermines the premise of noncitizen voting to try to draw a distinction.”

Where do folks get the balls to think we should keep child molestors out of our country ... what are these racists thinking ... ...

ICE ICE BABY ....

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/0...d-molester/amp/

Sanctuary City Objects to Arrest of Accused Illegal Alien Child Molester

Officials in one California sanctuary city are upset after immigration agents arrested an illegal alien facing child molestation charges and another previously deported three times prior.

The recent arrest took place in Hayward, California, when officers with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) were looking for an illegal immigrant but in the course of their investigation, they found 42-year-old Jose Salgado and 34-year-old Antonio Valenzuela.

The arrest took place during an operation by ICE officers who were carrying out an enforcement operation targeting another individual in an unrelated case, said ICE Spokesman Jason Schwab. They determined that both men were in the country illegally and detained them. Salgado was arrested earlier this year by local authorities on a felony charge involving lewd and lascivious acts with a minor, Schwab said. Prior to his recent arrest by ICE agents, Salgado had not been previously encountered by federal authorities. In the case of Valenzuela, the Mexican national was previously deported three times and had one conviction of driving under the influence. Both men remain in federal custody.

Soon after the arrest, Hayward officials issued a statement expressing their concern over federal immigration arrests in the city. According to their statement, the circumstances leading to the arrest “are concerning because of the potential impact on the trust our officers and local government seek to maintain with all members of our community.”

According to city officials, local law enforcement personnel are not allowed to cooperate with federal authorities in the enforcement of immigration law:

As a matter of policy, HPD and the City of Hayward employees do not seek to learn the immigration status of people with whom they come into contact in the course of providing law enforcement and other public services. No HPD officer or Hayward city employee may assist federal officials in the enforcement of U.S immigration laws. We are committed to equal treatment of all of our residents regardless of immigration status.

The City’s refusal to cooperate with federal law enforcement officials in the enforcement of immigration laws follows the June 6 announcement where officials sought the classification of sanctuary status.

“Fostering a relationship of trust, respect and open communication between city officials and residents is essential to the city’s mission,” the city’s statement on the status revealed.

Robert Arce is a retired Phoenix Police detective with extensive experience working Mexican organized crime and street gangs. Arce has worked in the Balkans, Iraq, Haiti, and recently completed a three-year assignment in Monterrey, Mexico, working out of the Consulate for the United States Department of State, International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Program, where he was the Regional Program Manager for Northeast Mexico (Coahuila, Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Durango, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas.)

This is just a small example of the dumbing down of America.

I think there's mostly two causes:

1) People who think TV and movies are depictions of reality.
2) Some of these people are teachers who are spreading this believe to our children.

I'm serious.

There's been only one motivation for anything that's ever been on TV or movies.

To make money.

Even supposed "non-profit" organizations.

Sure, the organization doesn't make a profit, but the Executive Director has a $250,000/year salary.

Don't even get me started on the provincials who think Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson were racists.

I don't think the city is against deporting criminals so much as they are in fear of their own police department not being able to do their jobs effectively if the large immigrant community does not trust them.




I guess if you reach and twist the facts, you could put this up as proof of 'bad hombres' in an attempt to label all illegal immigrants as criminals. Please don't deny that that is your "ICE ICE BABY" agenda, I get enough fake news from Trump.

The more alarming thing to me about this story is that if the guy molested a kid, then deporting him does nothing to punish him for that crime. He should be tried and go to prison if guilty. If he's not guilty, then you deport him for being here illegally.

Is this more FAKE NEWS ocd ... its not fake to the victims of their families ...

ICE ICE BABY

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/08/ice...ation-soar.html

ICE ICE BABY officers arrest 32 sex offenders on Long Island as part of 'Operation SOAR'

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrested 32 foreign sex offenders on Long Island during a 10-day undertaking termed “Operation SOAR.”

"Operation SOAR," the acronym of which stands for Sex Offender Alien Removal, and which ended on Aug 3., was part of an effort to eradicate foreign nationals who were sex offenders living in the Nassau or Suffolk County areas of Long Island, according to an ICE press release. Enforcement and Removal Operations officers arrested 32 people, of whom 12 were registered sexual offenders.

"ICE’s continuing commitment to making our communities safer is underscored by operations like this one targeting sexual offenders. These actions focus our resources on the most egregious criminals and promote public safety in the communities in which we live and work,” Thomas R. Decker, field office director for New York, said in a press release. “ERO officers are out there every day enforcing immigration law with targeted enforcement actions. ICE will not waiver in its promise to arrest and remove criminal aliens from our neighborhoods.”

ICE officers arrested foreign nationals from countries that included the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Trinidad, El Salvador and Peru. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement )
The individuals who were arrested had past convictions or charges against them ranging from attempted rape, endangering the welfare of a child and first-degree rape to sexual abuse. The individuals arrested included citizens who hailed from Ecuador, El Salvador, Tobago, Peru, Trinidad, Mexico, India, Honduras, Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

ICE said the individuals arrested will go through a process to be removed from the United States unless they have “outstanding orders of deportation” or who entered the country illegally after having been deported previously, and, as such, are subject to immediate removal. The others were awaiting their court hearings.

#ICE ICE BABY

I'm just wondering, since it seems that once we deport these criminals they keep coming back to our country time after time, if it wouldn't be better to just put them in our own prisons? At least then we know they would be punished for their crimes instead of ending back to roaming our streets a short time later.

I have no issues with sending these sex offenders packing. Never did. On the other hand wish we'd see the same enthusiasm for keeping us safe from all the sex offenders who are U.S. citizens.

Hard nose immigration reform is one of the issues I agree with, with this administration. It has gotten out of control over the last few decades. We need a hard nose approach to it now. Walls have never worked but making it really tough and arresting those who enter illegally is a breath of fresh air.

And get tough on those who hire them. Without the incentive of jobs, many of them wouldn't be here. You have to get tough at both ends of the problem.

Agreed

I agree also ... so bummed they don't or never have enforced it ... well in most places ...

I chose to move to South Carolina or a reason ... and I've been to a dozen companies and they display we use e-verify on their doors ... so a few do ... but there the needle in 50 haystacks ...

Why do u say that walls don't work? ... i don't get that ... whats your reasoning?

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Must be the racist in me that thinks only citizens of the country should be allowed to elect the folks running our goverment ... stupid racism .... I know when I was in Italy and I couldn't vote I was really steamed ....[/quote]

I don't think you would be considered a racist for wanting only citizens of the US (born or naturalized) to be allowed to vote. I agree 100%

That is because they are all criminals.

Some people simply refuse to admit that entering this country illegally is a crime. They wish to sugar coat and dismiss that very obvious post.

A quick google search could clear that up for them.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration-is-a-crime

Thank you Pit. This needs to be posted where folks can see it.





Illegal Immigration is a Crime

 
Each year the Border Patrol apprehends hundreds of thousands of aliens who flagrantly violate our nation's laws by unlawfully crossing U.S. borders. Such illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony.

The illegal alien population is composed of those who illegally enter the country (referred to as "entry without inspection — EWI") in violation of the immigration law, and others enter legally and then sty illegally (referred to as overstayers). The immigration authorities currently estimate that two-thirds to three-fifths of all illegal immigrants are EWIs and the remainder is overstayers. Both types of illegal immigrants are deportable under Immigration and Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B) which says: "Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable."

Illegal Immigration Is Not A Victimless Crime
Apologists for illegal immigration try to paint it as a victimless crime, but the fact is that illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population — the poor, minorities, and children.

Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not begin to cover the cost of services received by them.1 The quality of education, health care and other services for Americans are undermined by the needs of endless numbers of poor, unskilled illegal entrants.

Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants desperate for any job unfairly depresses the wages and working conditions offered to American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.
Illegal Immigration And Population Growth
Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America — crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and increasing the strain on precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland. Until the recent economic recession and high unemployment, the immigration authorities estimated that the population of illegal aliens was increasing by an estimated half million people annually.
 
Illegal Immigration Undermines National Security
While most illegal immigrants may come only to seek work and a better economic opportunity, their presence outside the law furnishes an opportunity for terrorists to blend into the same shadows while they target the American public for their terrorist crimes. Some people advocate giving illegal aliens legal status to bring them out of the shadows, but, if we accommodate illegal immigration by offering legal status, this will be seen abroad as a message that we condone illegal immigration, and we will forever be faced with the problem.

Border Patrol: Necessary But Not Sufficient


The Border Patrol plays a crucial role in combating illegal immigration, but illegal immigration cannot be controlled solely at the border. The overstayers as well as the EWIs who get past the Border Patrol must be identified and removed by the interior immigration inspectors of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Today, the policies of the Obama administration are working at cross purposes to this objective. ICE is constrained from detaining and deporting most illegal aliens they encounter with the exception of those with criminal convictions or threats to the national security.

What Can Be Done?

There must be a comprehensive effort to end illegal immigration. That requires ensuring that illegal aliens will not be able to obtain employment, public assistance benefits, public education, public housing, or any other taxpayer-funded benefit without detection.

The three major components of immigration control — deterrence, apprehension and removal — need to be strengthened by Congress and the Executive Branch if effective control is ever to be reestablished. Controlling illegal immigration requires a balanced approach with a full range of enforcement improvements that go far beyond the border. These include many procedural reforms, beefed up investigation capacity, asylum reform, documents improvements, major improvements in detention and deportation procedures, limitations on judicial review, improved intelligence capacity, greatly improved state/federal cooperation, and added resources.

What About The Costs?
Effective control and management of the laws against illegal immigration require adequate resources. But those costs will be more than offset by savings to states, counties, communities, and school districts across the nation.

I think that there should be no one here overstaying their Visa, and frankly if you are a citizen of another country you need to be known.

The next to last paragraph is where the fairus document falls apart. It is pie in the sky wishful thinking that you will not get agreement on. Mostly Dems, but probably some Republicans as well.

We (our government) created the structural mess that we are in and we own the responsibility for it. It is as simple as that. I really don't think that we can effectively (or economically) deport 11 or 12 million people without creating a big fat mess. But we should be able to figure out who and where they are and get the situation under control.

Some ideas

1. Create more classes of visa (e.g. extended resident, temporary resident, seasonal temporary worker, non-working family member, student, minor extended resident, minor resident), for those who are here. Those who can demonstrate longer residency, can get a higher class of Visa.
2. Visitors are limited to 3 weeks, and everyone needs a visa for entry.
3. Have an open registration period.
4. Sign them up. You get one as long as you don't have a serious conviction on your record.
5. After open registration closes make it difficult (impossible) for those without visa to obtain work, gain residency, have bank account etc, etc, etc. without a Visa. Employers can only hire those with a valid Visa.
6. Essentially the Visa Number become a tax ID and allows assimilation into society. No, they don't have voting rights, but they can pay taxes, and do other things (enroll minors into school) as long as as the Visa class requirement is satisfied.
7. Those convicted of "serious" crimes can be deported. Not misdemeanor or other offense, but I don't like seeing people being deported for capture offenses. If they don't have a valid Visa, well they should be deported.
8. For minors that come here and have been here for a while, they can apply for residency when they are 18 without issue. Provide your high school diploma, and you qualify.
9. One you have been here for a long period of time (10 years), you can apply for citizenship as long as your record is clean. That is another 5 years. I don't think Visas should be in perpetuity.

Or we could just

- enforce e-verify ...
- get them off welfare and every other form of public assistance ...
- dont allow there kids in school ...

Then there'd be no reason for them to stay ...

Then build the wall so when the next oBUMa comes in when they sign executive orders its harder for them to get in ...

All we have to do is enforce our laws on the books and there would be a mass exodus as opposed to needing deportation forces for the well over 12 million illegals here ...

I only have one issue with your post. During the Obama administration there were over five million deportations. More than any other president.

We agree on the immigration issue but if you're going to bash the president who deported more people than any other, maybe you should include every other president.

Bush and Regan actually granted amnesty to millions of illegals. So you may want to start there. Just sayin'.

Bush and regan were the worst ... they gave them amnesty in exchange for getting the wall funded and built ... they got there amnesty and the wall is still not built ...

ObumA changed the definition of deportation to include many things that weren't included previously ....

He also gave them more incentives to come here ... he was very pro illegal .... u don't agree with that?

How many more came in on his watch? ...

He was a better president for Mexico and the rest of Latin America, Iran and a bunch of other countries than he was for the US ...

He was handed a crap ass economy and a financial mess .... he handed over a crappier ass economy a much greater financial mess and a world on fire .... yet some will defend him to the death .... BRILLIANT ... and I'm not reffering to u in this post .. just making a general comment ..

All I was really after was to get you to comment about mistakes by other presidents regarding the immigration problem. It seems you agree they were all complicit. That seems fair to me.

I was a die hard republican when i was a kid ... even when i didn't have a pot to [censored] in I was a republican .. it made no sense to me why people that made a lot of money had to pay a higher tax rate than i did ... i thought that was incredibly unfair ( that was in a different world Pit .. due to where were at today .. i still think its unfair but it has to be that way ... ) ...

I left the Republican Party shortly after Regan ... I thought he was a HORRIBLE president and immagration was one of the MINOR REASONS why .... he made it OK to go into debt and his trade deals made ZERO SENSE to me ..... i left mostly because it was then i started to figure out that NONE OF THEM on either side of the aisle gave a crap about us ...

I HATE the Republican Party as much as the Democratic Party .. if you look at what they've done over the last 20 - 30 years .. they both lie through their teeth to their bases ... a republican donors is actually suing the Republican Party for lying to him .. *LOL* ..

You'd be surprised at my views on a lot of things ... like i voted for Billy boy twice even though i knew he was a lying, rapist even back then (he raped a girl while at Oxford .. most still don't know that today) ... I hated the bushes .. thought they both sucked ... I voted for Romney because he was a business man and couldn't vote for oBUMa ... didn't vote in the next election ... for me that was the worst choice EVER ... McCain's a POS in my book also ...

and i am not happy with MULTIPLE things the Trumpster has done just so u know ... no need to adress them on here cause your liberal buddies would just use it as ammo against me ...

I feel bad for potentially sidetracking, but you don't like McCain?

He's a politician, so it's not like he's approaching sainthood, or anything like that. :-p

But, IMO, he's one of the best of the bunch (again, not saying much given his competition).

Never have ...

It goes back way further than this ..... see gang of 8 and immagration ...... and now the first thing he wants to do when he gets back is to re-visit immagration ...

Like u said .. hes a politician ... for some reason thats an acceptable reason for all their lies and deceits ... in reality they should be held to a much higher standard than U or I ... but thats just me ...

This is the most interesting political post you've ever made. I want to know more. Seriously.

You have very strong opinions on libs yet you say you are neither Republican or Democrat. I would like to know what you consider yourself. I can't imagine that a conservative or libertarian voted twice for Bill Clinton. I can't imagine a centrist independent that hates Obama the way you do. Enigma.

Well, if you deport twice as many but let 3x as many in.....

but the actual numbers say otherwise

U have to take in the definition change also ... sumptin they'll never do cuse it doesn't suit there BS spin ...

OBUMa was clearly pro illegal .. thats not even debatable ... they want to ignore EVERYTHING ELSE he did and focus on the he deported more than anyone other president w/o taking into account the definition change witch didn't just move the goal posts it moved the ENTIRE PLAYING FIELD ...

SPINMASTERS ...

If they are illegal, and they are deported, then what the hell does a change of definition mean,

and you accuse people of spinning while you are spinning so much you got to be dizzy as hell

Ask me anything and I'll answer ... anything ... you'll learn I'm much different than u think ...

I treat people the way folks treat me .. when i first came here i made two or three non confrontational Trump leaning posts and got destroyed and ripped on like i killed someone's kid ... ... and I'm not one to eat crap so I responded in kind ... and i am ashamed of the poster i turned into (and thats 100% on me .. im the one that did the typing) ... I've taken two or three self imposed breaks from this forum cause i couldn't behave anywhere close to my standards ...

Thats why i posted in the jaded fashion i did .. like i said ask me any question u wish .. I'll respond ..

What do i consider myself? .. an american .. i want what i think is best for this country ...

I voted for Bill the 1st time cause i hated Bush Sr. .. voted for him the 2nd time cause he got out of the way and i hoped he'd just stay out of the way of the growing economy (it was incredible what was going on with the internet boom ... it was in its infancy but u could see it coming) and i knew Dole wouldn't do that ... i hated Dole also ... BRUTAL ..

If i had my way today we'd vote out every single incumbent and vote in all business folk cause hopefully they'd be fiscally responsible ... the 20 trillion in debt is just the tip of the iceberg of the financial woes we have ...

I don't fit into one of your political buckets ... im definetly different ...

In one of the illegals threads i wanted to get back and respond to your post .. i never did .... was bummed about that ... one of the things u said is that i blamed the Mexicans ... i don't blame them all ... there doing what there suppose be doing ... trying to make a better life for them and their children .. i don't blame them at all for that ... its their job ... now when there here for 2 or more years and still can't speak english ... then there crapping all over us IMO .. if i went to Italy .. I'd learn how to speak Italian ... IT ONLY MAKES SENSE ..

Anyhow .. like i said ... ask away .. I'll answer ...

Is that a serious question ... really ...

if u don't understand that when your talking numbers .. and u have one definition of what deportation means and then u change the definition of being deported to include more of the subsets (is that over your head .. did my low intelligence ass just lose u .. *L*) ... in that category of course the numbers with the new definition are going to go up ...

Then your going to brag about the fact he deported more than anyone ever when your comparing the numbers of the new definition vs old ... if u want to do that at least be HONEST about it and point out the fact the numbers are skewed due to the new definition ...

WOW ... its incredible to me that u call pointing that out spinning ... while completely ignoring the fact your boy was all about the illegals ...

Count me a racist as well. If it was up to me, if you are on government assistance, you shouldn't be able to vote. Sorry, if you are on government assistance, you shouldn't get a say.


I do have some wiggle room on how long before that might be. I do understand that people can be between jobs and such.

Amen.... There is n raisin a n citizen should get to vote... Even if you are w legal imagrant you shod get to vote unless you are a us citizen

Oh dear, Diam has rubbed off on posters who usually post with decent spelling and grammar skills.

What?

Wanna try that again, maybe tomorrow?

Not an enigma at all. I lean pretty heavily Libertarian, but I don't claim allegiance to any party. The way people now treat their political parties like fans of sports teams, throwing smack and pledging their undying loyalty is mind numbing. I voted for Clinton twice, never voted for Bush, though I do like him as a person. Did not vote for Obama, again, I like him as a person. I have voted all parties, sometimes third, sometimes the person I thought could win and might do a better job than the opponent for the country overall.

This last election was just awful. Even when I have voted third party before, I never really feared either candidate winning. This time I did.

Both of the major parties are slowly killing this country. Most don't care, as they are so preoccupied with demonizing those that oppose their views, that they are playing right into the hands of those that profit from that very behavior. It's really hard to watch anymore.

E-verify is only a component of the system, and not the major one at that. You can easily live in the shadows, outside of the tracked economy these days. Visa cards, cash payments, etc. etc. I know of Americans who do it as well.

Any system can be worked. We are just responsible for creating one that has more holes than a colander.

More FACTS for u and yours to ignore about your boy and illegals ...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017...e=socialnetwork

Illegal immigration spikes in July; still lower than Obama years

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, August 8, 2017

Illegal immigration across the southwest border surged 15 percent in July compared to the month before, Homeland Security announced Tuesday, signaling that President Trump’s early success in stemming the flow of people jumping the border has begun to lessen.

The border patrol nabbed 13 percent more illegal immigrants last month than in June, while officers at the ports of entry saw a 23 percent spike in the number of inadmissible aliens showing up and demanding entry. The number of Border Patrol arrests is deemed a yardstick for the overall flow of people.

July usually sees a drop, so the surge signals a change in the usual seasonal patterns.

“The short answer is we don’t know what all of those causes are,” he told reporters.
The numbers of families and unaccompanied alien children (UAC), which have been particularly troublesome cases, also saw huge spikes. UAC were up 27 percent in Border Patrol statistics, while people traveling together as families surged 46 percent.

Still, even with the rise month-to-month, the numbers are lower than they have been in years. Customs and Border Protection officers at the ports of entry recorded 6,833 inadmissible aliens trying to enter. The Border Patrol, meanwhile, nabbed 18,198 illegal immigrants who snuck across the border.

The combined number of 25,031, while the highest under Mr. Trump, is still lower than any other month under President Obama dating back until December 2011.

Mr. Obama oversaw a deterioration at the border in his second term, with children and families streaming north from Central America, believing lax enforcement would give them a chance to earn a foothold in the U.S.

The Trump administration has been trying to dig out of that hole with a series of policies including targeting for deportation UAC and families who’ve had their day in immigration court but who are ignoring orders or removal.

Mr. Trump has also asked for money to begin building his border wall, with prototypes to be built later this year.

The president has repeatedly cited progress on the border as one of his major successes early in his tenure. He was so pleased with the progress that he pointed to it as one of the reasons he tapped former Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly to become his new chief of staff at the White House.

On a year-to-year basis, the gains are indeed stunning. In July 2016 the Border Patrol nabbed 33,737 illegal immigrants — 85 percent more than this year’s total. Fewer people apprehended likely means fewer people crossing.

Dec 2011 is when the surge started .. so we had HUGE NUMBERS flowing across for more than 5 years ... but ya'all want to make the argument that he "deported more illegals than any other president" AFTER he moved the playing field ... BRILLIANT ...

Well said.

So are you saying that the madness of these sanctuary cities that protect illegals that rape, rob, murder,or commit manslaughter ,etc and treat them with more courtesy than honest law abiding hard working legal americans is just an opposing view of conservatives.....its no wonder you got a standing O from the libs