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LOL, again, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  EVERYONE that has posted on your comments towards me has said that you were insinuating I am a racist. Why, because I actually believe that EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty and you seem to want that only for people you are against. Imagine that, you weren't implying anything, but yet when I brought it to your attention, all you would do is continue insinuations. You've now resulted to lying to make yourself look better in your explanations. I don't "always" say that those making accusations of racism are wrong. Facts and you aren't even in the same area code, let alone on a first name basis. Carry on with your childishness. i'm done. 
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There was no insinuation I was just putting the numbers out there. As for getting caught doing the crime ? I don't know what you claim to be true ...it's all in the numbers . Does it mean that one race is predisposed to be criminals ? I don't believe that. I don't know why the majority of inmates are of a certain makeup maybe due to economics, racism in the justice system , learned behavior....all questions that someone smarter than me would have to answer I simply gave some numbers. Sorry if I offended anyone .
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LOL, again, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. EVERYONE that has posted on your comments towards me has said that you were insinuating I am a racist. Why, because I actually believe that EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty and you seem to want that only for people you are against.
Imagine that, you weren't implying anything, but yet when I brought it to your attention, all you would do is continue insinuations. You've now resulted to lying to make yourself look better in your explanations. I don't "always" say that those making accusations of racism are wrong. Facts and you aren't even in the same area code, let alone on a first name basis. Carry on with your childishness. i'm done.
I'm curious....where are all these comments about me insinuating that you're a racist? Who has posted on my comments toward you?
Whatever man...admit you are wrong and move on. You won't, which in and of itself is childish...so...we'll cross paths again, I'm sure...and you'll still be dead wrong.
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There was no insinuation I was just putting the numbers out there. As for getting caught doing the crime ? I don't know what you claim to be true ...it's all in the numbers . Does it mean that one race is predisposed to be criminals ? I don't believe that. I don't know why the majority of inmates are of a certain makeup maybe due to economics, racism in the justice system , learned behavior....all questions that someone smarter than me would have to answer I simply gave some numbers. Sorry if I offended anyone .
What's up with all these insinuations? All I said is, blacks have more of a tendency to get caught. Which implies to me, that their crimes are easier to catch. That, by no means, says that they are more prone to commit crimes than anyone else. To me, it says that they have poor lawyers!
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All I said is, blacks have more of a tendency to get caught. Which implies to me, that their crimes are easier to catch.
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To me, it says that they have poor lawyers!
O.K. I can buy that one since the majority are probably P.D.'s who are overwhelmed by the caseload therefore maybe more apt to plead out.
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I'm curious....where are all these comments about me insinuating that you're a racist? Who has posted on my comments toward you?
I did. The "likes of you" comment made me think you were. Your explaination of the comment made me think I was jumping the gun.
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They're more of your petty crimes. Assault, B&E...those types. Nothing too complicated. Simple crimes. If you don't have money, rob someone with money.
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O.K. I can buy that one since the majority are probably P.D.'s who are overwhelmed by the caseload therefore maybe more apt to plead out.
Exactly! It looks very racial on the surface, but there are a lot of underlying issues. It is definitely distressing though, that so many black males are in jail. I'd be willing to guess that a vast majority are drug related charges. Either selling or using. I'm not trying to start an argument by saying that either. It's just how the legal system works. I'd also say a good portion is commiting a crime with a gun, which gets a mandatory sentence.
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I'm curious....where are all these comments about me insinuating that you're a racist? Who has posted on my comments toward you?
I did. The "likes of you" comment made me think you were. Your explaination of the comment made me think I was jumping the gun.
I don't put you and Coach in the same category. I actually respect your arguments, as you attempt to back them up with either fact or opinion, and not just sit back and criticize everything someone says, without fact or justification.
So, for the record, I didn't intend to insinuate anyone was racist. Just that there tends to be a great deal of discreditation of racist claims on this board. Regardless of merit. Sometimes, in this case in particular, it is justified. I've never called anyone racist...I've thought it, but never spoken on it. So if I offended anyone, including you Coach, I apologize!
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If I misinterpreted what you said, I also apologize. I have never automatically or always discredited accusations of racism. I also didn't say you brought up Denny's. I was referring to DogNDC. I even went back and checked it.
Again, there are things that were stated that weren't clear. I, too, may have jumped the gun. I was simply trying to point out that there is an actual policy to check receipts in the corporation. These women very well may have jumped the gun, too. If we can do it on here, it's not hard to believe they could have as well. Conversely, they could have been "profiled". Regardless, until proven otherwise, the store is innocent, correct?
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Nothing too complicated. Simple crimes. If you don't have money, rob someone with money.
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I'd be willing to agree with that sentence. I don't think we are miles apart on our views here but we may disagree as to the cause and effects of it . I would say that instead of Black and White and Brown our prisons are filled with mostly poor uneducated people . Maybe there is a connection between someone not being educated and the predisposition of those people to commit crimes. ???
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Maybe there is a connection between someone not being educated and the predisposition of those people to commit crimes. ???
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I also forgot to add that the way the system is not set up that there is no rehabilitation but instead we focus on incarciration and the money that prisons bring in . Not saying that all or even most criminals could be rehabed but certainly there are people that would benifit from education and I am sure that some actively seek it while inside but maybe it should be mandatory for parole that noneducated people should be forced to further themselves academically before being considered for released.?? I'd hope that someone, somewhere has already thought of this and put it into practice. As for the cost why couldn't the inmates be billed after they have gainful employment on the outside kinda like a student loan ?
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Or maybe work for it ??
No argument out of me. Black youth nowadays have a sense of apathy and entitlement at the same time, which doesn't make sense at all. Take advantage of the opportunities you do have, and you can create more opportunities down the line. That's what I did. I've never (to the best of my knowledge) gotten anything because of affirmative action or any quotas. I worked and am still working hard for mine!
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I'd be willing to agree with that sentence. I don't think we are miles apart on our views here but we may disagree as to the cause and effects of it . I would say that instead of Black and White and Brown our prisons are filled with mostly poor uneducated people . Maybe there is a connection between someone not being educated and the predisposition of those people to commit crimes. ???
You are exactly correct my friend. It all boils down to poverty and lack of education. It's not a racial thing, unless you believe the police track down minority criminals more than caucasion ones...but that's a WHOLE different topic. But yes, you hit the nail on the head!
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I also forgot to add that the way the system is not set up that there is no rehabilitation but instead we focus on incarciration and the money that prisons bring in . Not saying that all or even most criminals could be rehabed but certainly there are people that would benifit from education and I am sure that some actively seek it while inside but maybe it should be mandatory for parole that noneducated people should be forced to further themselves academically before being considered for released.?? I'd hope that someone, somewhere has already thought of this and put it into practice. As for the cost why couldn't the inmates be billed after they have gainful employment on the outside kinda like a student loan ?
Good ideas ya got there. At least a GED before you get paroled...I can work with that. At least give these people a chance to change their lives on the outside. If all they've done is spent time in jail, they usually come out worse than when they went in. Most get so institutionalized that they want to go back...sad really!
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Black youths do not have a monopoly on that . Maybe each generation thinks that of the younger crowd but man I see it all of the time. 
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If I misinterpreted what you said, I also apologize. I have never automatically or always discredited accusations of racism. I also didn't say you brought up Denny's. I was referring to DogNDC. I even went back and checked it.
Again, there are things that were stated that weren't clear. I, too, may have jumped the gun. I was simply trying to point out that there is an actual policy to check receipts in the corporation. These women very well may have jumped the gun, too. If we can do it on here, it's not hard to believe they could have as well. Conversely, they could have been "profiled". Regardless, until proven otherwise, the store is innocent, correct?
Never said the store was guilty, I just said that I know what it's like to be profiled, but that IS NOT a crime!
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Black youths do not have a monopoly on that . Maybe each generation thinks that of the younger crowd but man I see it all of the time.
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It's interestion you and Ire are talking about rehabbing these offenders. I volunteer to give tours during the summer at the old Ohio State Reformatory. When that was in operation, the amount of repeat offenders were much lower than they are today. In that prison, there were many factories to teach a trade, there was a high school, and people were actually "reformed".
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Incarceration without rehabilitation really don't mean nothing.
That's good though, something needs to be done to cut down repeat offenders
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Unfortunately, when Ohio State Reformatory was closed, the new MANCI doesn't have such rehabilitation.
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Or maybe work for it ??
No argument out of me. Black youth nowadays have a sense of apathy and entitlement at the same time, which doesn't make sense at all. Take advantage of the opportunities you do have, and you can create more opportunities down the line. That's what I did. I've never (to the best of my knowledge) gotten anything because of affirmative action or any quotas. I worked and am still working hard for mine!
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I'd be willing to agree with that sentence. I don't think we are miles apart on our views here but we may disagree as to the cause and effects of it . I would say that instead of Black and White and Brown our prisons are filled with mostly poor uneducated people . Maybe there is a connection between someone not being educated and the predisposition of those people to commit crimes. ???
You are exactly correct my friend. It all boils down to poverty and lack of education. It's not a racial thing, unless you believe the police track down minority criminals more than caucasion ones...but that's a WHOLE different topic. But yes, you hit the nail on the head!
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I skipped and jumped around in this thread so forgive me for jumping in offkey.
Alot of valid points.
All stem from our beliefs and facts.
Back to the poor and uneducated quotes.
It seems also it has become generational where the parents and parents before them behaved in the same manner. This is all they knew and all they could pass down to their children. Vicious cycle.
I know alot of people are mad at Bill Cosby for some of the stuff he has said recently. But the truth hurts. Sad part is he is preaching to the choir.
The people who need to hear his words are out making things worse as I type.
I fear for our society as a whole.
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Ndutyme.....i've still been reading these quotes.....and from me to you.....Stop......because all you'll do is repeat the samething to the same ole' folks who have no idea what you're talking about and what you deal w/on a regular basis......real talk.
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Ndutyme.....i've still been reading these quotes.....and from me to you.....Stop......because all you'll do is repeat the samething to the same ole' folks who have no idea what you're talking about and what you deal w/on a regular basis......real talk.
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I once took the bait on the hook when it came to the "RACE"topic,but now i let it pass by because.....if you never walked in a person's shoes who deals w/"RACE"on the regular.....then how can you tell that person or persons' anything?! It's crazy.... 
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That's funny, I recall you making quite a few judgements on the Israelis and Jews a few months ago and I'm quite sure you've never been in THEIR shoes, either.
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You should've sent me a PM!
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Why, ndutyme, if he has a double standard, you want to hear about it in private?
Truthfully Coach, it was a comment he was making to me...that didn't involve you. So he should've just PM me, so you wouldn't have to "call" him on it!
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I once took the bait on the hook when it came to the "RACE"topic,but now i let it pass by
Sorry, I can't let it pass by. I have my own opinions on the subject, those opinions have changed and been molded over the years by engaging in the debate. I'm not black, in fact I don't fit a single minority status, unless you consider being incredibly good looking a minority...  ..... But if I take the stance that because I'm not black, then I should keep my mouth shut and stay out of it, then I won't learn anything.... and the blacks that I talk to won't learn anything about where my opinions are coming from... It's a "perception meets reality" thing... and unless we communicate and understand, not just the reality, but each others perception, we will never advance past where we are right now... I have had my opinions proven wrong time and again by black co-workers, friends, even people I didn't really like at the time...
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I once took the bait on the hook when it came to the "RACE"topic,but now i let it pass by
Sorry, I can't let it pass by. I have my own opinions on the subject, those opinions have changed and been molded over the years by engaging in the debate. I'm not black, in fact I don't fit a single minority status, unless you consider being incredibly good looking a minority... ..... But if I take the stance that because I'm not black, then I should keep my mouth shut and stay out of it, then I won't learn anything.... and the blacks that I talk to won't learn anything about where my opinions are coming from... It's a "perception meets reality" thing... and unless we communicate and understand, not just the reality, but each others perception, we will never advance past where we are right now... I have had my opinions proven wrong time and again by black co-workers, friends, even people I didn't really like at the time...
I feel that too...which is why I continue to discuss these topics. Or I'm just a glutton for punishment!
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Truthfulloy, he was commenting on something and claiming we (as I am not black so I am included in that) couldn't understand because we haven't "walked in his shoes". At the same time, he has made very judgemental comments about the Israelies and Jews. That's a double standard. I understand you might feel supported (if this is the right phrasing) by his words, but they are somewhat hypocritical, to be kind.
Not only that, that premise is very illogical, anyway. If you believe that along with him, then we shouldn't have an opinion about police officers, school teachers, politicians, athletes, teachers, coaches, or anyone else because we haven't walked in their shoes. In fact, we shouldn't hold criminals accountable for their actions because, after all, we haven't walked a mile in their shoes. We shouln't have opinions about racists, bigots, or whatever you want to call them because, guess what, we haven't walked in their shoes. When you extend that line of thought, doesn't it sound a bit ridiculous?
Also, if we DON'T discuss these things among each other, how does anyone learn from these situations?
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I'm open for discussion..........and yet I don't want to be force fed something, when I in turn relate my experiences - HERE, WHERE I LIVE.
Is their rascism? Without a doubt.
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Truthfulloy, he was commenting on something and claiming we (as I am not black so I am included in that) couldn't understand because we haven't "walked in his shoes". At the same time, he has made very judgemental comments about the Israelies and Jews. That's a double standard. I understand you might feel supported (if this is the right phrasing) by his words, but they are somewhat hypocritical, to be kind.
Not only that, that premise is very illogical, anyway. If you believe that along with him, then we shouldn't have an opinion about police officers, school teachers, politicians, athletes, teachers, coaches, or anyone else because we haven't walked in their shoes. In fact, we shouldn't hold criminals accountable for their actions because, after all, we haven't walked a mile in their shoes. We shouln't have opinions about racists, bigots, or whatever you want to call them because, guess what, we haven't walked in their shoes. When you extend that line of thought, doesn't it sound a bit ridiculous?
Also, if we DON'T discuss these things among each other, how does anyone learn from these situations?
after all that, my point remains...he should have sent me a pm.
He was conveying a "personal message" to me. Get it?!?!
He opened that personal message up for public scrutiny, and I don't think he really wanted to do that.
I agree that we need to debate and discuss, but it doesn't seem that these discussions really go anywhere.
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Ndutyme.....i've still been reading these quotes.....and from me to you.....Stop......because all you'll do is repeat the samething to the same ole' folks who have no idea what you're talking about and what you deal w/on a regular basis......real talk.
Ok, now you... STOP... and ask yourself, why does he have to deal with all that on a regular basis?
Because he is a bad person? No
Because a large number of like people have made a bad names for themselves? Decide for yourself.
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You feel your discriminated against because you're incredibly good looking too?
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I disagree. Look at the discussion that HAS gone on between DogNDC and myself (and others). There is discussion, debate, and respect. It does happen. As for the rest, my point STILL remains the same....in private or public, he has a double standart.... "get it"? 
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I'm open for discussion..........and yet I don't want to be force fed something, when I in turn relate my experiences - HERE, WHERE I LIVE.
Is their rascism? Without a doubt.
I should be done, but I probably won't be........
I don't recall force feeding anything. and we were having a discussion, then you blasted me in public...I didn't appreciate that. Thus the discussion ended.
I understand you were trying to relay to me how things are where you live, unfortunately, that's not how the world feels. Also, I still don't understand your point about holding doors...that just proves you have manners.
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I disagree. Look at the discussion that HAS gone on between DogNDC and myself (and others). There is discussion, debate, and respect. It does happen.
OK, great, I hope you've learned something from it. But you didn't want to discuss with me, you wanted to criticize me from your false assumptions. That's why I feel it's going nowhere. Yet I'm always willing to talk. I have no problem expressing myself (at this point, I'm sure you're well aware of that)
I also feel what he's saying, unless you really see things firsthand, it's truly difficult to understand and relate.
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You really need to work on your wording lol. "False assumptions" isn't very accurate. I will say there was vagueness in what you wrote, as Pdawg felt the same way. Regardless, the point is that even the way you meant it, it still wasn't condusive to actual discussion. Maybe, just MAYBE, it isn't all on the other person all the time. I understand what you're saying about having to "live" something, but as I said in the other post, then you can't really understand those I listed because you haven't "lived" it.
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