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If anyone question his arm strength, then that preseason game should've laid that to rest haha. I think it was Solon Willcotts that said it best "with the flick of the wrist" haha.

-It'll either be Kizer or Brock. I think Brock did do okay during Week 1, but my fear long term is seeing the bad Brock; the one who makes suspect throws into double/triple coverage.

-At what point should a starter for regular season be named? right before week 1? before preseason week 4? I think at one point Hue said he would know his starter before week 1 of preseason.... I just hope we win with whoever we put in there. I think we have the talent to be competitive now.

I coached my hockey players by this mantra. If you're going to make a mistake, make it going 100 percent doing the thing you thought was right. I can correct that. No "should I? shouldn't I?" crap.

Good point. I agree when it comes to sports.

Well played. A Dennis Miller esque reference

Compounded

He has the arm, but that was more than a flick of the wrist....lol. He put the mustard on that ball.

I relish the thought of Cleveland finding a franchise QB after all of these years.

Didn't know what we would see, but I liked what we saw, the kid has an NFL arm and the poise in a crowded pocket to go with it ...

Agree. I liked the way he stood in the pocket to the last second, delivered the ball, and then took the hit.

it would be like finding an oasis in the desert

Or it could be another mirage.

http://www.news-herald.com/sports/201708...e-better-passer

A gray cinder block, the kind that can be found on the foundation of any home, has become an important teaching tool for the Browns as they prepare rookie DeShone Kizer to someday be their starting quarterback.

Quarterback coach David Lee wants Kizer, 6-foot-4, to shorten his stride to improve throwing accuracy. The best way to do that, Lee concluded, is set a barrier for Kizer as he steps into his throw early in practice.

“I’ll put the cinder block out there when he warms up,” Lee said before practice on Aug. 13. “It stops his stride when he steps up. We’re trying to get that muscle memory going.”

Bad things happen when a quarterback steps too far into the pass. The habit doomed Brock Osweiler with Houston in 2016, which is one reason the Texans gave up on him after one year and traded him to the Browns.

The battle to start at quarterback has become a two-man race between Osweiler and Kizer. Lee, like Coach Hue Jackson, is pumping the brakes on all the enthusiasm to push Kizer into the starter’s role now. But he definitely likes what he sees from the rookie from Notre Dame.

“His stride length is considerably less than when he came here,” Lee said. “When your stride’s way out there long, your upper body can’t catch up to your lower body because that ball’s going to come out close to your front foot. You’d like it to be like in a straight line. He’s cut a lot of his stride length down, which should increase his accuracy. It should decrease high balls sailing over people’s heads.

“Does it happen occasionally? It happens to everybody. That’s what you fight hard fundamentally with DeShone, and Brock also. They both have the same disease. When you see our guys in the pocket and they have to slide left, slide right — when they have to move, that’s when their stride will get long. So we just try to keep on them, correct it and stay in their ear. I’m relentless about it.”

Osweiler appeared to have a better day than Kizer during practice on Aug. 13. He threw a touchdown pass to Corey Coleman, who beat Jamar Taylor on the play, for a 75-yard catch and run during a live tackling period. A pass by Kizer was intercepted by Channing Stribbling in the same drill. Kizer tripped and fell on his butt fading to pass in another live session.

Kizer’s mechanics are only part of what must improve for him to seize the starting job. The coaches want Kizer to get better communicating the play in the huddle and then get the offense to the line of scrimmage with time to spare. Lee said Kizer is getting better at it.

“I think he’s doing better all the time,” Lee said. “He really is with the play delivery. As the (opponent) changes, the game plan changes. There’s a new set of memorization that has to take place, and it’s hard. It’s not easy. I promise you, it’s not easy what he’s doing. He’s doing a heck of a job. Is he there yet? Not really.”

Jackson said Kizer sometimes holds onto the ball too long while trying to decipher defenses. The hesitation could result in sacks. Kizer was sacked three times against the Saints in the preseason opener, but he also threw the winning touchdown pass 45 yards to Jordan Payton on fourth-and-2 with 1 minute, 52 seconds remaining. That pass, and a 52-yard pass to Richard Mullaney to set up another touchdown early in the fourth quarter, has created the buzz surrounding Kizer.

Kizer played the second half of the preseason opener against Saints players unlikely to be in the NFL in September. Jackson after practice Aug. 13 said he hopes to name his starter for the Aug. 21 preseason game against the Giants by Aug. 16 or 17. Lee indicated Kizer will meet sterner competition and likely play before the third quarter.

“He has good practices and then things happen in a game,” Lee said. “That’s why this one Monday night is so good for him. That’s what we need. Put him in real lights, a national television game, and see if he can carry these fundamentals that we’re harping on him over and over and over to the game.

“He’s trying and he’s doing better. Has he got it mastered? Not yet. So we’ve got to know he can do all of it before we put him out there full time. We got for sure two more games. You get three under your belt, you’ve got a pretty good feeling about what your quarterback can do and can’t do.”

The Browns play their third preseason game against the Buccaneers in Tampa on Aug. 26.

It's not that confusing. Too many of you are jumping the gun w/all this praise. It might be wise to let the situation play out.

Exactly. DK did a lot of good things but whether we want to admit it or not, he has a long way to go. I still believe we are a 5 win team this year with the potential to be competitive in most of our games but I don't believe we are a playoff team. Let DK sit and learn this year and only play at the end of decided games to get some reps. Start Brock and let DK sit. JMO

I'm not criticizing Kizer in any way. I just think people are getting ahead of themselves.

I've said all along that the fans and media should just stay out of the qb competition thing and let Hue decide w/out a bunch of second-guessing and needless pimping or bashing.

Stupid elliot.

I absolutely agree. One preseason game, vs third and beyond stringers, Kizer openly admitted they disguised no looks... I mean I saw some good in his play too - don't get me wrong. I recall Weeden looking good in preseason too a few times, and we all know when regular season started, he was a deer in the headlights:

Yeah, way to early to really just jump on with him. But still, it was kinda exciting to see a QB run the offense (such as it was) and actually come back to win a game.. 1's or 2's or 3's be damned LOL It was still fun to see.

But we have 3 more games and thus far, Hue Jackson said over the weekend that the order of Starters at QB hasn't changed.

Still Brock followed by Cody and then DeShone.

Jackson is taking his time.... probably as it should be.

To me Kizer looks like he could be the ,real deal but don't worry the FO or the coaching might scew it up as usual LOL

That's the spirit!

DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

Browns QB coach David Lee said second-round QB DeShone Kizer has improved but is not yet ready to start.

"He’s a lot better than he was in the spring, but he’s still not there," Lee said. "I’m looking forward to watching his progression in all these areas we’re talking about in these next two games, and we’ll see where he is then." Even if Kizer is not ready now, it does sound like the Browns are open to the possibility he will be when the season opens in four weeks. Brock Osweiler started the first preseason game, but coach Hue Jackson will not decide on his starter for the second until Wednesday or Thursday.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal Aug 14 - 9:58 AM

here's a list of QB's who have started day one as a rookie:

2008:

Matt Ryan (1st round)
Joe Flacco (1st round)
2009:

Matthew Stafford (1st overall)
Mark Sanchez (1st round)
2010:

Sam Bradford (1st overall)
2011:

Cam Newton (1st overall)
Andy Dalton (2nd round)
2012:

Andrew Luck (1st overall)
Robert Griffin III (1st round)
Ryan Tannehill (1st round)
Brandon Weeden (1st round)
Russell Wilson (3rd round)
2013:

EJ Manual (1st round)
Geno Smith (2nd round)
2014:

Derek Carr (2nd round)
2015:

Jameis Winston (1st overall)
Marcus Mariota (1st round)

___________

a few 2nd rounders, one 3rd, and a bunch of 1st rounders.

if Kizer is playing better than Kessler and Brock by the time the 4th preseason game is done, then see zero reason to keep him on the bench.

if he's the best QB, you play him. We have a decent OL, and we have a run game.

we have got to see what this kid can do, cause if he shows any sort of potential during the season, we have the picks next year to draft nothing but WEAPONS.

I play Kizer first half against the Giants and evaluate fromt here. He passed the smell test against the Saints wimpy ass defense and I still say there isnt much difference in their first team D and 3rd. They suck.

Raise the bar and see how he does against what should be a really good Giants team. Struggles, u go to Brock and continue with Brock for the entire season.

You continue to work with Kizer but it doesnt stop you from drafting a QB. Lets see what he's got.

Just curious .... does a QB's confidence level and building a rook's confidence ever enter into your formula or don't u believe in that at all ...

I certainly wouldn't want to send him out there for his first start even in pre-season against the Gnats D ... I'd like to see that be against a team like the Saints ...

Do you think you know more about how the QBs are doing in camp than Hue does?

And saying there is no difference between first and third stringers is ......hmmmmmm.........I'm not allowed to say that word.

If he comes out there with a deer in headlights look, you can pull him in favor of Brock. You have your answer. He isnt ready and he will have a gauge on where he is as a prospect.

OO and he could play like Marino and I would still probably take a QB. With all these QBs about to retire, Even an unproven prospect like a Jimmy G has tremendous value.

j/c:

I'm not sure Brock really went against the ones either. Breaux and Lattimore didn't play.

Not sure what that says about our receivers. I wish they had the all-22 for pre-season games.

Kizer isn't ready yet. Or at least he still had things he needed to improve against the Saints.

I'd give him the whole second half again this week, see if he's improved, and then go from there.

honestly, I'd probably start Kizer against NYG, if for nothing else than to get him experience that doesn't have much consequence. If he plays poorly, you can just chalk it up to a nothing game.

Yes I know more than Hue. I am so special my crap doesnt stink, come here and get real close and take a whiff of my greatness. It wont stink i promise lol

I said there is very little difference in the saints first team and their 3rd team and I stand behind that opinion. I believe their starters are backup quality talent. You could release that entire starting unit and I doubt any of them could find a starting position elsewhere.

I'd like to see Kizer play the entire 2nd half again.. Give him another chance to get the W.

I think thats a good way to go ... unfortunatenly I've never been contacted by Hue or anyone else in the org. For my input ....

Maybe tomorrow ... *L* ...

Someone actually liked that post? LOL

DeShone Kizer completes 57-yard Hail Mary: Browns QB competition recap

Updated on August 14, 2017 at 9:17 PMPosted on August 14, 2017 at 7:05 PM


By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns' quarterback competition is still in full swing, with Hue Jackson set to announce his starter for the Giants game on Wednesday or Thursday.

As it stands, Brock Osweiler is still the man to beat, but is splitting first-team reps with DeShone Kizer.
QB coach David Lee reminded folks on Sunday that Kizer still has a ways to go, but that he's dazzling the coaches with his big arm, football acumen and mobility.
Here's how the competition went on day 14 of camp:

1. Brock Osweiler
Order in drills: Osweiler is still the first man up in 11-on-11s and working with the ones.

The good: In the first siren period, when it was ones vs. ones, Osweiler completed a 20-yard out to the rookie tight end David Njoku, who was sandwiched between two defenders. He also found Njoku in the end zone for a TD pass on third and goal from the 2, where he leaped up over linebacker B.J. Bello and then celebrated with his signature Chief Slam. With Osweiler at 6-8 and Njoku at 6-4, these two can play ball in some rarified air.

The bad: In his two-minute drill, Osweiler had back-to-back passes broken up by rookie safety Jabrill Peppers, and then Peppers picked him off on a fourth and 24 pass over the middle for Ricardo Louis. Osweiler has not scored the ball enough in his two-minute situations in camp, or in his red zone opportunity in the preseason opener against the Saints.  He'll need to put some points on the board to keep the starting job. More reps with the starters should help.

2. DeShone Kizer
Order in drills: Kizer was the third man up in the rotation, but is working with the ones.

The good: Kizer showed off his cannon arm off again by throwing a 57-yard "game-winning" touchdown pass to tight end Seth DeValve on a Hail Mary at the end of the game.
DeValve caught the ball at about the 5 and dragged linebacker James Burgess into the end zone with him. It was reminiscent of the 45-yard game-winner against the Saints.

In an earlier drill, Kizer dropped back, pump-faked and fired a sideline pass to Randell Hall, who was drilled by safety Jabrill Peppers.

The bad: Kizer was almost picked off in his two-minute drill by Channing Stribling on a pass intended for Jordan Payton. If Kizer can continue to cut down on the mistakes, it will be hard to keep him on the bench.

3. Cody Kessler

Order in drills: Kessler is the second man up, but working with the second-team offense.

The good: Kessler completed his first team with back-to-back completions to J.P. Holtz on a cross and Taylor McNamara on a hook. He also found Josh Boyce for a first down on a comeback route in a short-yardage drill.

The bad: In his two minute drill, Kessler was sacked on the first two plays and almost the third. He went three-and-out after a short pass to Josh Boyce. Kessler continues to struggle in his crucial two-minute situations, especially in regards to taking sacks. It happened when he worked with the first team and now the second. He has to get this turned around over the next few days in camp.
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Who won the day: Kizer won hands down with the Hail Mary to DeValve.

"When you have an opportunity in the National Football League, a guy that can make plays with his arm, I think it's unbelievable,'' said Jackson. "I'm going to say it again, there's a lot that goes into that. It's not just firing the ball down there. Everybody has to protect still.''

Conversely, Jackson was unhappy with the defense there.
"We can't let the ball over our head in that situation,'' he said. "That's the last play in the game. We made a play, but we have to make sure we get that play stopped." Cleveland.com

well, a completed Hail Mary is good .. and bad .. at the same time haha

Mary Kay has it bad. LOL

Sounds like Kessler is just struggling to keep the mental clock countdown going and finding an avenue to get the ball out. Taking sacks against hte first and second stringers.

IMO, Kizer should play the entire second half like someone above mentioned. This contest will be between Brock and DeShone.