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Study shows racial disparities in prison By DAVID PITT, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jul 18, 3:01 PM ET
DES MOINES, Iowa - Blacks in the United States are imprisoned at more than five times the rate of whites, and Hispanics are locked up at nearly double the white rate, according to a study released Wednesday by a criminal justice policy group.
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The report by the Sentencing Project, a Washington-based think tank, found that states in the Midwest and Northeast have the greatest black-to-white disparity in incarceration. Iowa had the widest disparity in the nation, imprisoning blacks at more than 13 times the rate of whites.
Such figures "reflect a failure of social and economic interventions to address crime effectively," as well as racial bias in the justice system, said Marc Mauer, the group's executive director.
Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut and Wisconsin incarcerated blacks at more than 10 times the rate of whites, the group said, citing Justice Department statistics from 2005. Vermont had a ratio of 12.5, followed by New Jersey with 12.4 and Connecticut with 12.
States with the lowest black-to-white ratio were Hawaii, with 1.9, Georgia with 3.3 and Mississippi with 3.5.
In Iowa, blacks are imprisoned at a rate more than double the national average. For every 100,000 people, Iowa incarcerates 309 whites and 4,200 blacks, the study said.
Paul Stageberg, administrator of the Iowa Division of Criminal and Juvenile Justice Planning, said the results are not surprising, but the causes are subject to interpretation.
He said the state's disproportionately high black arrest rates are likely linked to high poverty rates among blacks and lower educational achievement.
In 2001, a governor's task force released a report that said 24 percent of Iowa prison beds were occupied by black inmates even though blacks comprised just over 2 percent of the state's population.
The group that compiled Wednesday's report made several recommendations such as reviewing federal drug laws and giving judges more discretion to decide sentences rather than imposing mandatory minimum prison terms.
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Does this mean they put black barbie in the lockdown case and they put white barbie outside with the dream house, the corvette and the boat? 
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Hey arch~Ya heading to Mid-Ohio to see Sam race this weekend? I am! Not to see Sam, specifically though.
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Does this mean they put black barbie in the lockdown case and they put white barbie outside with the dream house, the corvette and the boat?
You mean there a BLACK Barbie!?!?!?!?!
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Hey arch~Ya heading to Mid-Ohio to see Sam race this weekend? I am! Not to see Sam, specifically though.
If I would've planned ahead I would be going - but as far as "personal" things, I don't plan further ahead than "what's for supper". I screwed up. My daughter's b-day party today, 2 extra staying overnight, I'm working tomorrow, then a wedding, then I need to cut wood for camping in a few weeks (no, I didn't plan that - my wife did - and she told me I needed wood cut for camping - so, I'm cutting wood).
then sunday, unfortunately, I'm working in the afternoon - a restaurant - they are open til 9 every night, and til 2 on sundays. So, rather than start a 4 hour job at 9 at night, I chose to do it sunday afternoon.....God forgive me.
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LOL! Too bad! My hubby was down at Mid-O today and said for just the practice and qualifying sessions, the place was PACKED! I might not get to sit where I like (in the esses) because there are so damn many people there! Well, I'll be taking pictures! 
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That's funny, I recall you making quite a few judgements on the Israelis and Jews a few months ago and I'm quite sure you've never been in THEIR shoes, either. 
Man....what the hell you talking about?Jews &Israelis......you better go check my former posts'.For one i rarely post and........i'm offended.....you just straight lied!!!! See Ndutyme 
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This coming from a man who was speaking on Barry Bonds......and i quote...."Does Barry Bonds have kids? I bet they are thinking....Oh crap!!!! What should we do? After the whole Chris Benoit story"
I guess i should have known better.......the comment was coming from "G.I.Joe"
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This coming from a man who was speaking on Barry Bonds......and i quote...."Does Barry Bonds have kids? I bet they are thinking....Oh crap!!!! What should we do? After the whole Chris Benoit story"
I guess i should have known better.......the comment was coming from "G.I.Joe"
Pretty accurate quote if I do say so myself.
LMAO, you had to really reach for that one.
By the way, what's the issue with the quote? Being it was speaking of 2 steroid freaks, one white one black. No profiling on my end.
Dig deeper son, you may find something racial I have said, if not, you can always just make it up like you usually do.
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Does this mean they put black barbie in the lockdown case and they put white barbie outside with the dream house, the corvette and the boat?
You mean there a BLACK Barbie!?!?!?!?!
According to this site, black barbie has been around since before I was born in the mid-60s... (But her name wasn't Barbie, from what I could find, it was Dee Dee)...
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Does this mean they put black barbie in the lockdown case and they put white barbie outside with the dream house, the corvette and the boat?
You mean there a BLACK Barbie!?!?!?!?!
According to this site, black barbie has been around since before I was born in the mid-60s... (But her name wasn't Barbie, from what I could find, it was Dee Dee)...
I was joking...I buy my girls black barbies.
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I figured you were joking.. I have to admit I was a bit surprised at how long they've been out... I would have expected it to be more 80's ish.....
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truthfully...me too.
Disney is making a black princess movie.
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My mom almost cursed out a Toys r'us manager b/c they didnt have ANY black barbie dolls AT ALL!! that was mid 90's.. after that.. they had a surplus of them..
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That's funny...they're not always easy to find.
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The group that compiled Wednesday's report made several recommendations such as reviewing federal drug laws and giving judges more discretion to decide sentences rather than imposing mandatory minimum prison terms.
NIIIIIICE. The solution is to get rid of mandatory minimum prison terms?
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That was my first thought when I read it too... If you have mandatory sentencing.. if you get convicted of crime A, then you go away for between X and Y years.... seems like the most fair way to do it.. if you start giving more and more discretionary sentences, THAT seems like a system that would be less "fair"....
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If I am reading between the lines correctly, most black prisoners are convicted of drug related crimes. ???
So, how about we figure out how to prevent folks from using illegal drugs? Wouldn't that make more sense?
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If I am reading between the lines correctly, most black prisoners are convicted of drug related crimes. ???
So, how about we figure out how to prevent folks from using illegal drugs? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Easier said than done...that's a complex solution to a complex problem. The drug problem isn't solved by arresting the petty corner dealers, or their suppliers. They're both small time. It has to be stopped at the borders. If we keep it from being flown and smuggled in, the supply line stops. But then, you'll definitely see an effect on the economy.
As far as blacks and drugs...they're just too readily available for sale and consumption in black neighborhoods. Thus, ending the supply line.
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The drug problem isn't solved by arresting the petty corner dealers, or their suppliers... As far as blacks and drugs...they're just too readily available for sale and consumption in black neighborhoods. Thus, ending the supply line.
Ohhh... I am not so naive as to believe the drug problem can easily be solved. I do think keeping dealers off of the street is important. Unfortunately, stuff like crystal meth and pot are homegrown.
Taking race out of the equation... I think drugs can be found in pretty much all low income (poverty level) neighborhoods.
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I think this is a good idea for one primary reason. I would rather see a rapist,child molester or violent offender serve their "entire sentence" rather then give them an early release to make room for people who have commited non violent offenses.
I think IF overcrowding is a problem and a judge feels he'd rather use "prison space" to give such violent offenders more time,than use that same space for non violent offenders,he should have the oppertunity to use his discretion in such matters.
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I didn't think or say you were naive. I was just responding with my thoughts.
We were discussing blacks and drugs, so...
But you're right, drugs are available everywhere...hell, white boys got the best weed! If you're looking for crack though, ya gotta go to the hood.
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The countries drug problem will only be solved by legalisation and regulation. Legalise all drugs and make them available at pharmacies to anyone over the age of 21.
It will end nearly all drug related crime.
Just look at all the violent crime and organized crime that arose out of alcohol prohibition and then look how fast it died after the end of prohibition. It pretty much put them out of business.
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You think organized crime died after prohibition? My deceased (in 1998) Grandfather and his "family" would argue strongly about that. They just switched from booze to other activities. (Guns and gambling for the most part)
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I'm saying there business of selling and trafficking in illegal booze died.
And I'm saying that legalising drugs would kill the business of selling and trafficking in illegal drugs in a similar fashion.
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And you'd still be wrong.
It won't ever die completely. Illegal activities never really die. They diminish with legalization but they never die.
Since people already have the know-how for producing the drugs, they will still attempt to grow/produce it themselves, charge less than the legal stuff and still be way more dangerous.
It just won't be as prevelant as it is today. That's all.
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I know - you are fine.
The topic was initially about racial profiling and Toys-R-Us. On that topic... racism is dependent on perceptions. You can see racism in everything and in nothing.
I have two very good friends who are black. Both of them are married and have 3 kids. Both of them are around age 30.
Friend_1 will cite racism as the reason he can't find a good/close parking spot at the mall on the Saturday before Christmas.
Friend_2 could be the only black man in a line of 100 people. He could be the only person pulled from the line and forcibly strip-searched and he would not for a moment believe it was related to the color of his skin.
Racism is (largely) perception. If a decision is made based on the color of someone's skin it is racism. But, decision making is subjective. It is very difficult to legally prove someone's thought process.
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So far as I know the underground cigarette and homemade beer market isn't a billion dollar business. Legalizing and controlling all of the cocaine, crack, and crystal meth would significantly alter criminal behavior.
Eventually, some dealers would find new concoctions of bleach and ammonia to mix with rat poison to create a new underground high. 
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I seriously doubt your reasoning. Suppose drugs were legal and you could get them at the pharmacy. This would drive the price down, way down.
Since the outstanding price of narcotics today stems from the problems associated with transporting them into the states and the trafficking them from state to state. And the risk involved in this movement and the actual transaction on the street level.
These risks would be neutralized if drugs were legal.
Now consider someone growing there own or manufacturing meth for sale through street transactions, the risk of doing this on the street will drive the price up and the purity would be suspect, all the while the stuff available through the drug store will be purer, less expensive, and more readily available.
No clandestine operation is going to be able to compete with large, legal suppliers.
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No, it's not a billion dollar market, never said it was. And I agree that it would significantly alter criminal behavior. My point is, it won't kill the criminial behavior all together (as Derden said the illegal act would die). Just pointing out that it would be naive to think legalization would completely eliminate the illegal activities surrounding drugs. It doesn't. Besides, the folks that are true criminals, will just find some other illegal activity to get behind (see my Grandfather and his friends switching from liquor to guns and gambling). .
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I must admit! I agree with you on this one  If you want a 1/4 of purple it will cost you between $110.00to $140.00........now that cost would be cut in half if it was legal.
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I'm not talking just meth here Derden. Pot is inexpensive to grow and could be done cheaper at home than paying for it at a pharmacy. And it could be sold cheaper as there would be no middle man to pay.
And do you seriously think making drugs legal would drive prices way down? You underestimate the true greediness of our lovely government. Just look to alcohol and tobacco as an example. Completely legal and both are taxed to the hilt and keep going up. No taxes to be paid when it's illegal.
Look, I know very little about the cost of illegal drugs. I've never bought/sold or done any, nor do I ever intend to. I just know that legalizing something won't eliminate illegal activities around it. Just makes it less attractive to do so and many will get out of the business. But not all. They will find something/someway else to make their illegal/tax free dollars.
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If you want a 1/4 of purple it will cost you between $110.00to $140.00........now that cost would be cut in half if it was legal.
I have NO idea WTH purple is...unless you're talking about PPE, and then, I didn't realize he sold himself so cheaply!
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If you go back to my post I say that it would pretty much die, there will still be crime, but there would be a significant decrease. And added benefits to this legalisation, We end the billion dollar a year drug war cost. We can tax all the drugs available similar to beer and cigarette's We probably cut out a fraction of the prison population that is incarcerated b/c of minimal drug offenses. Drugs coming from reputable suppliers cut down the risk of tainted products. Getting the dugs from a pharmacist ensures that drug users are dealing with someone who has a specific knowledge of the drugs and there effects---therefore on some scale drug users are no longer ignorant of possible problems associated with the use of specific drugs. All in all, it is a much more effective strategy in dealing with narcotics. But our government would rather spend billions of dollars kicking that tree with the dream that one day they will win the drug war.
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LMAO! Just spit MT. Dew all over! It is a type of grass. The good stuff....Maybe they dont have back East? As for PPE selling his self You'll just have to ask him about that 
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They will keep drugs illegal. Think of the effects on our economy if they legalize it:
What do we do with all these unemployed law enforcement people? (and that's just the first thing that pops into my head)
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Easier said than done...that's a complex solution to a complex problem. The drug problem isn't solved by arresting the petty corner dealers, or their suppliers. They're both small time. It has to be stopped at the borders. If we keep it from being flown and smuggled in, the supply line stops. But then, you'll definitely see an effect on the economy.
As far as blacks and drugs...they're just too readily available for sale and consumption in black neighborhoods. Thus, ending the supply line.
Agreed, it's a complex problem with no one answer.... a large part of the problem is "the cycle".. it's readily available, options for success are few, peer pressure is high so folks get into drugs, pretty much guaranteeing that they never get out of the neighborhood then they have kids in the same neighborhood, it's readily available, options are few... and on and on... it takes a strong individual to break that cycle.... I know a couple individuals who did, which is why I always include the fact that it's possible, but it is, by no means, easy.
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