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I think we have to be cautious when comparing contracts. The numbers keep going up, no matter what the position. That is true in all three of the big sports and maybe others, as well. Running back contracts have actually gone in reverse. Freeman got basically the same contract Steven Jackson got with the Rams in 2008 (when the cap was something like $20 less than it is now). I'd let Crowell play out the season and if he plays well, franchise him. Another good year, let him walk.
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two of the highest paid running backs are on their rookie deal lol
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after thinking about it a while, I'd maximize him this year and see what happens. if he signs elsewhere it's not the end of the world IMO.
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We all want second or third or more chances....especially when we screw up...Crow HAD to change college teams...Crow had to fix his PR after showing cop being killed...Crow wants to be paid....fine, EVERYONE does AND it is fair to ask the question...is his character strong enough, will he STILL have the desire once paid....GO Browns!!!!
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Sad to say it, but we wont be resigning Crowell. It'll be the same thing with Pryor.. We make an offer, but it wont be the right number for Crow (Rosenhaus). Add analytics on top of the decision making, and I'm sure it shows its not worth paying a HB top tier money.
Duke and Dayes will be the guys 2018.
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Sad to say it, but we wont be resigning Crowell. It'll be the same thing with Pryor.. We make an offer, but it wont be the right number for Crow (Rosenhaus). Add analytics on top of the decision making, and I'm sure it shows its not worth paying a HB top tier money.
Duke and Dayes will be the guys 2018. With, and I know it's early, but with how Dayes is playing... maybe Crow won't even get an offer? not saying we shouldn't try to obtain him, just food for thought.
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Sad to say it, but we wont be resigning Crowell. It'll be the same thing with Pryor.. We make an offer, but it wont be the right number for Crow (Rosenhaus). Add analytics on top of the decision making, and I'm sure it shows its not worth paying a HB top tier money.
Duke and Dayes will be the guys 2018. With, and I know it's early, but with how Dayes is playing... maybe Crow won't even get an offer? not saying we shouldn't try to obtain him, just food for thought. If we think Dayes, Duke, and a rookie can carry the load next year, that might be the plan
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Sad to say it, but we wont be resigning Crowell. It'll be the same thing with Pryor.. We make an offer, but it wont be the right number for Crow (Rosenhaus). Add analytics on top of the decision making, and I'm sure it shows its not worth paying a HB top tier money.
Duke and Dayes will be the guys 2018. With, and I know it's early, but with how Dayes is playing... maybe Crow won't even get an offer? not saying we shouldn't try to obtain him, just food for thought. If we think Dayes, Duke, and a rookie can carry the load next year, that might be the plan And we have 2 firsts and 3 seconds in the 2018 draft....I'm sure a good RB can be had there too IF Crow walks. I don't particularly find Duke a RB that can consistently run between the tackles, but that's just me.
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Sad to say it, but we wont be resigning Crowell. It'll be the same thing with Pryor.. We make an offer, but it wont be the right number for Crow (Rosenhaus). Add analytics on top of the decision making, and I'm sure it shows its not worth paying a HB top tier money.
Duke and Dayes will be the guys 2018. With, and I know it's early, but with how Dayes is playing... maybe Crow won't even get an offer? not saying we shouldn't try to obtain him, just food for thought. If we think Dayes, Duke, and a rookie can carry the load next year, that might be the plan And we have 2 firsts and 3 seconds in the 2018 draft....I'm sure a good RB can be had there too IF Crow walks. I don't particularly find Duke and a RB that can consistently run between the tackles, but that's just me. especially given next year's class, which is supposedly good
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Sad to say it, but we wont be resigning Crowell. It'll be the same thing with Pryor.. We make an offer, but it wont be the right number for Crow (Rosenhaus). Add analytics on top of the decision making, and I'm sure it shows its not worth paying a HB top tier money.
Duke and Dayes will be the guys 2018. With, and I know it's early, but with how Dayes is playing... maybe Crow won't even get an offer? not saying we shouldn't try to obtain him, just food for thought. If we think Dayes, Duke, and a rookie can carry the load next year, that might be the plan And we have 2 firsts and 3 seconds in the 2018 draft....I'm sure a good RB can be had there too IF Crow walks. I don't particularly find Duke and a RB that can consistently run between the tackles, but that's just me. especially given next year's class, which is supposedly good I believe this is also a key part of the equation. If Dayes is as good as the publicity and etc he's getting and demonstrating, he was snagged in the 7th round. Surely one of those seconds could be used to acquire another lethal and effective runner.
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I hope Crow gets extended an offer that works for him. Drafting HB's isnt as easy as one thinks.. Think you are better off drafting them more later in the draft or as UDFA than early. HB's Draft History
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especially given our own history ... prentice, james jackson, richardson, hardesty
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31 mil / 4 yrs.
20 guaranteed,
Front loaded , 9 mil, 8 mil 7.5 mil and 6.5 mil with incentives for another 2 mil over life of contract.
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Runners are as good as line in front of them...best runners get extra yards after having somewhere to go....Put Elliot on different team he doesn't win rushing title...I'd rather spend the money on proven RT, leave RB in lower cost per yard plan.....GO Browns!!!
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Runners are as good as line in front of them...best runners get extra yards after having somewhere to go....Put Elliot on different team he doesn't win rushing title...I'd rather spend the money on proven RT, leave RB in lower cost per yard plan.....GO Browns!!! I agree. Unless that RB is THAT much of a difference/play maker ... aka Bell, Johnson, AP in his prime, etc
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31 mil / 4 yrs.
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Front loaded , 9 mil, 8 mil 7.5 mil and 6.5 mil with incentives for another 2 mil over life of contract. I'd pass on offering Crowell that much money. And I don't know of a player that would accept a declining salary every subsequent year, but I could be wrong.
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I'd think most players would want as much money up front as possible. Better chance you'll get it and the dollar is worth more today than tomorrow. If I were a player I'd want all my contracts structured to get as much of the overall contract value sooner rather than later.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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"Up front" might mean two different things. I agree with you if "up front" means confirming guaranteed money in the contract, it essentially makes that first year number (and perhaps second year) meaningless. They get that no matter what. I still don't think players, generally, agree to contract structures where pay decline every year thereafter. Again, I could very much be wrong.
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I was using the term up front in regards to having the contract structured where you receive most of the money, whether that's guaranteed signing bonus or non-guaranteed playing money, as early as possible.
Hell, if I were a player and the team offered me a 4 year $30m contract, give me the $30m all in the first year and I'll play for free the next 3 years. Less money at risk.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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GC. Some DTalkers have no sense of history. If you already want to replace your veteran players who are playing well for you, with rookie unknowns, as a rule:
Then that is why your team not only doesn't win the SuperBowl but doesn't even get out of 4th place in it's division.
And this is not an isolated incident; it's a philosophy.
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I would try to extend him on this years contract to get a discount.. Another 3 years after this year... Front load a big guranteed contract this year....say 12 mil, then 6 mil a season the following three years. Maybe another 3 mil guranteed.
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I appreciate Crowell WAAAYYY more than you do.
But the fact is RBs just do not demand that $$$ other position groups do. Especially Long Term Guarantee money. I actually can see a Transition Tag on him (normally not recommended at all)
I really don't see anyone wanting him that bad to put in a poison pill. I do wish for him to remain here. At least through 2020.
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J/C...
It disgusts me that he is a member of the Cleveland Browns and I look forward to the day I no longer have to type or say that.
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Maybe I'm crazy but with how well dayes and duke are practicing as well as the upcoming draft class I can't see us paying market for crow
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Way to go out on a limb there.
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Is there a point to your brilliant rejoinder?
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Is there a point to your brilliant rejoinder? Aaron Rodgers > Osweiler
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Clever.
Well, here is my point. Let Crowell walk next year and use one of our 2 1st round selections in next years draft to get Barkley (hopefully).
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Well everyone seemed so happy to give 16 mil for a second round draft pick when we got Brock, what's a first round draft pick worth?
I don't see spending a 1st on a RB.
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31 mil / 4 yrs.
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i don't see this regime spending much "capital" on a RB, whether that's draft or monetary
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J/C...
It disgusts me that he is a member of the Cleveland Browns and I look forward to the day I no longer have to type or say that.
Well, at least you have the guts to admit why you don't like him.
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The flip side of that. Is when teams load up the back half of the contract with (non garenteed) salary to bump the overall number higher. Knowing most likely they'll tear the contract up before it gets there.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I dunno, I watched a bit of Barkley after seeing people talk about potentially letting Crow go. With all the hype around Barkley, I expected to be more impressed. He's undoubtedly talented, but he might end up being a better college back than pro, like a Reggie Bush/Trent Richardson. Jordan Scarlett at Florida is a back that kind of caught my eye, and I want to keep track of.
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If we lose Crow, we need to go back to Running back University, UGA, and snag Nick Chubb.
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Keep in mind I don't follow his private life stuff to be upset...As a Browns player he has done nothing really to get my ire...I have no clue on the off the field stuff. I just know he hasn't been suspended by the NFL.
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The key to a rebuild is creating additional holes ... Thanks. The recent posts have been killing me. It's like many of our fans have adopted the loser mentality that the Browns of the past 16 years or so have displayed. Let's part ways w/our good players, keep the underachieving ones, and hope that an untested rook or a dude in college can replace them. Mind boggling!
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The key to a rebuild is creating additional holes ... *LOL* .. that was funny ... On the flip side ... OVERPAYING is also a great way to re-build ....  ..... see Pryor ...
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