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You are correct. He became eligible again on 1/2/17...the day after the last game of last year.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/browns_jordan_payton_suspended.html

I had that soooo wrong in my head.

He was 100% positive though

No worries.
You can get those numbers below:
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2016/
here too:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

# of targeted passes caught/catch rate/drop %:
Ricardo Louis-----51.4%/50%/5.7%
Corey Coleman-----45.2/45%/2.7%
Terrel Pryor------55.0/55%/2.9%

Coleman has a weird stat line in terms of receiving.

He has the lowest drop rate of the 3 receivers but somehow still has the lowest catch rate.

I don't know what explains the delta in those numbers for him *shrugs* somehow he's not catching fewer targeted passes despite not dropping as many...go figure?

Just listened to Corey's presser. When asked what he did this entire offseason, he said rehab and prepare his body... and he still suffered a hamstring tighten up on him?

Sounds like no matter what he does, he'll never be able to go all out/not have to be babied on a pitch count/not always wonder if he's going to have a soft tissue injury.

sadly, hamstrings are awful when it comes to re-injury. It's nearly impossible to get them back to 100%. I pulled mine badly in 11th grade and still have issues with it

JMHO, I've come to this conclusion...AND it could be completely wrong...,.we knew WR was a weakness on team, the front office hadn't been together very long, so they used sources, took guys highly rated and successful in college, but didn't have great faith in them, they could justify them by stats, accomplishments, over achievers- Coleman was rated high, but his injuries and program would have lowered his stock IF they'd had time to look deep at THEIR guys, Nassib- great production college, character, motor, but he ain't going to stud out in pros...solid backup MAYBE...Coleman might be a 2....if he can stay healthy, right now I'd prefer Travis Benji....hope one of the 4 shows something this year....we need it.....GO Browns!!!!

You can have Benji I'll take Coleman, there was a reason he was one of the top rated WR's in the draft ...

I guess I'm alone in not having any concerns about our WR's.

I think we have guys with some talent; they are just young and inexperienced. I think the guys we drafted have put in the work to get better this year. I think it'll actually show up on the field as long as they have a QB who can get them the ball.

I don't like our WRs at all. I think they are actually going to make the qbs look worse than they are. I believe that the unit is huge concern.

Hopefully, I will be pleasantly surprised.

I agree. WR is probably the weakest unit on the team right now.

x3.

I expect Duke and Devalve to see a lot of targets.

I think the WRs are the worst in the NFL

Hopefully it changes this week, but it was pretty horrid last week.

There isn't one WR that demands bracket coverage on the Browns now
Not one

j/c:

This is just food for thought. I am NOT making any definitive statements.

What's up w/Coleman?

Let me start by giving some background information. I was the guy who said he would be the first WR off the board due to his speed and big-play ability. I just didn't think it would be to us. LOL

Some of my concerns [as I wonder about him]

--I don't trust any of those Baylor dudes when Briles was there. No discipline. Unruly. Too many crimes against society.

--Baylor WR's haven't fared well in the NFL.

--I am not a fan of that conference.

Those are all general comments. More specifically:

--What's up w/him getting in all of these fights? I read today that he fought w/multiple d-backs. He fought last year in TC. He fought last year during a game and then two days later, in the first practice, they said he broke his hand while falling. Color me skeptical after I saw him slap a guy upside his helmet in the game.

--He was part of a group that beat up some dude.

--Not understanding route depth and other various nuances of playing WR last year.

--Injury history?

I have questions about him. I also have hope for him because he has raw talent and being a fighter is good for some things.

I will end w/this: It is my belief that this is a pivotal year in regards to how Corey Coleman's career pans out.

That statement can be made for the bulk of the guys on our team, lol. Lets make some bolder statements, Vers.

My next comment is not in reply to you, but about another comment someone else made about having no WR's that defenses have to bracket. At this point last year, did we have any WR's that defenses were planning to have to bracket? I'd say no.

Defenses adjust to what players have proven on the field. None of our guys have proven a thing (I'm not including Britt, more so the guys we drafted last year). Thats not a bad thing in my eyes, as it should allow more 1 on 1 coverage. I think our WR's can beat the one on one, again as long as they have a QB that can get them the ball.

Upgrading the O line [/color]should[color:#000000]make our run game better and help WRs....GO Browns!!!!

lets hope britt doesnt turn into bowe 2.0. i also agree that payton seems to be more reliable

I'm not sure anyone could be as worthless as Bowe. I'd take Brian Rokeski over Bowe any day of the week. What a pathetic, highly paid free agent mistake by none other than Ray Farmer.

There were so many apologists for Bowe when he left KC.

Looks like that HGH is paying off for Payton. I hope he's still taking it. I always said he'd never make it into the NFL with his speed, but everything else was there. I just never thought he'd be physical enough to do it. I'm glad he's showing some signs of proving me wrong. You know, you never want to be against a Browns player, even if it's realistic to do so.

I agree with you on Payton. He has had a nice camp.....hopefully it transitions to meaningful games.

I literally cant think of a worse FA acquisition in the history of the team in terms of production/money/etc

Andre Rison?

but didnt he produce any more than Bowe? Bowe didnt even play like 10 games.

it seems like Kizer and he had very good chemsitry

Don't forget L. Bentley, 12.5 mil AND never played a game for our Browns.....no one tops that...or bad luck, karma, E. Davis, who we gave up an All Pro for never got on the field....life sucks sometimes.....GO Browns!!!!

Josh Gordon's Reinstatement not "Under Consideration" right now

http://scout.com/nfl/browns/Article/Josh...et-pe-106246565

Never understood the position of the Browns on this matter. After years of disrespect for superior WR's skills, showed by not drafting bona-fide Wr's when we were in the position, and always drafting questionable prospects, we still have to live with this Gordon thing...

Just cut/end any relations with the guy, and let Gordon be somebody else's problem

Not sure anyone is really considering JG these days. Bonified loser material.

I don't know. The worst? Cousins didn't make his look good at all the other day for the little I watched. Looks like we write ff Gordon as well.

They can't. The collective bargaining agreement will not allow the Browns to cut anyone who is suspended by the League. If they want to or not, under the agreement, it can not happen.

A quote from Sashi "But at the NFL Combine in March, Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown left the door open a crack for Gordon's possible return.

"Josh, assuming that he'd play at the level we started to see glimpses of last preseason, and certainly when he was in the league before, would be a talent I think no team in the NFL would turn down if he got back in," said Brown. "We're not in a position at wide receiver to turn down a guy like Josh if we feel like he's settled himself.''

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

Keywords to all of that is "... if we feel like he's settled himself."

lol yeah true

He isn't anyone's problem.
He isn't a problem, issue, distraction, or a factor in anything. He's a non-entity that isn't in the league.

We merely own his rights & contract at this point, but it pretty much looks like that will never play out to completion.
He doesn't count toward anything - not the roster, nor the salary cap. He doesn't count, period.

Basically, it isn't worth the ink or effort to file the paperwork to release him, and it doesn't hurt or impact us in any way to not do so.
There is literally no point in even giving it any thought.