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Fasten your seat belts folks.

Did you know more babies were born in the U.S. in 2006 than any other year?

And did you know 49% of those babies were hispanic?

Isn’t that great? Everybody loves a baby.

For 300+ years (since about 1700) the most common U.S. name was Smith. Now it’s Rodriguez.

We sure will need all those hard working hispanic doctors and engineers and scientists.

Don’t look at me gringo. I’ve been studying spanish everyday for over a year now and I’m currently rated 50% fluent by Duolingo. In a couple more years I plan on making a lot of money as a bilingual caucasian (a rarity).

This seems to be a political thread. Just my opinion.

Don't worry. A huge chunk of Latinos like marking white on their applications anyway, as well as probably date with more whites than blacks.

The cultural dynamics of how certain demographics identify themselves is a very interesting discussion.

Many latinos, especially true spanish heritage latinos, are fairer skinned than many whites. Olive undertones but lighter skin. So who is actually 'white' there? lol

What cracks me up is that NONE of us are purebred anything. We all have mixed heritage at some point.

Ask them, they're the ones who say they are.

There's a reason why "white-Hispanic" is a thing.

Greeks are more olive toned as well but when they come over here they mark white/Caucasian.

That's because here in America, we have such a unique history with race and identity politics that we go less by actual ethnicity and nationality, and more by just straight up skin tone.

There's so many Latinos that look white, and so many white people that look Latino.

A while back I had checked out a predominately Central America page on FB, and didn't realize that they sub-catergorize themselves based on who descended from the mayans/aztecs, and ego had Spaniard ancestry.

A lot of Spanish people from the source (Spain) actually identify as white European. And with some Central Americans you can tell based on them Having lighter skin tones while the ones with native ancestry looked darker, in general.

I agree that genetically most people can kiss their pureness good bye.

But again, here in America we don't do genetics. We do skin tone.

The north, central and south American Latinos with stronger native indian heritages have very different facial features, skin tones and often body builds. When I traveled in Mexico I saw 4-5 feet tall very indian looking Mexican's in the mountains and smaller towns, yet lighter skinned Euro looking Mexicans in the bigger cities.

You could find examples of both everywhere, but the contrast was evident. I haven't been to Mexico since the late 80s but back then I loved their culture. Not sure what it's like now with all the cartels ruining the culture.

You can take the Spaniards for those mixes.

Europeans ran all up through north/central/South America.

Rape and pillage

I know.

Here's a puzzler though, I'd like to know the base races for Cuba and Puerto Rico. Many Puerto Ricans look like they have black mixes with indian and spanish. Cubans look more Euro/black than indian for the most part. I wonder how this came to be and what roll slavery played in it.

Why do I get the feeling that this is yet another racist post by rocky?

Looks like a duck, that's why.

well if you look at the history of the caribbean's, it's a mixture of slaves, native americans, spaniards, and more recently whites.

remember, places like Haiti had massive uprisings against slave owners back in the day, which is why places like haiti, jamaica and the bahamas are predominately black.

the haitian uprising, if i remember correctly, also led to an uprising in louisiana, which forced the south to come up with stricter laws and policies dealing with slavery in mainland america.

who cares, let's turn it into what OCD and myself are discussing.

I care.

I get that you don't care if people are racists against other minorities that aren't black, but some of us are disgusted and offended by racism against any group.

when have i ever claimed that i don't care about minorities who aren't black getting attack?

you do understand i'm mixed, right? clearly not. and clearly since i've been going to war with posters defending jews, that makes your statement a flat out lie.

Rocky can post whatever he wants, i tried to turn it into just discussing social identities and such. but yet once again, the only thing you care about is checking me over anybody else.

as usual. wish you go after everybody else like you do me, but i know better than to expect that from mr. "fair and balanced" and "all sides".

Many cultures that speak Spanish because they were occupied by the Spaniards at one time.but for the most part their blood lines are still a majority of the native inhabitants.with some Spanish influence.

It is actually a scientific fact that we are ALL a different shade of the same color.

I believe that we all come from Adam and Eve.

Those who believe in evolution believe in an earliest common ancestor.

I think that it's apparent that all of us .... Black, White, Hispanic, Oriental, or any other surface difference, are the same under our skins.

I don't believe in evolution either. That is the world view over the past 150 years or so.

It is a religion unto itself, because their is no scientific conclusion, only hypothesis. It would be nice if our children today where to get a second opinion from the Creation view point, but only the secular religion gets a say in our schools, even the at the higher levels.

I heard Adam was Black and Eve Latino.

Eve was a latin male??

Latina?

SI Senor

The cultural change seeping in the USA has more to do with the growing poverty levels and large groups of citizens growing with up with no real sense of morals. People are being encouraged to live for the moment and for physical rewards instead of a more dignified and human lifestyle.


Sex outside of marriage normalized and glorified leading to single parent families and higher rates of divorced families

legalization of drugs that influence mental capacity and behavior

higher education made impossible by high costs or else enslavement to debt that can't even be erased even by bankruptcy

aggression against organization that teach high moral standards


All four of these things are encouraging a stupider and more easily controlled population of poor that will become barely more than slaves for government handouts. They will work crappy jobs that pay little and use government money to keep them there. Then because they don't know better and because it's in their desperate self interest they will always vote for candidates that promise better welfare benefits.

It's a "Culture of Poverty" that will destroy American values and has very little to do with race.

quote above by Razor:



Really?

Ummm... How can I best put this.

Do you do much driving?

Here in Connecticut, in the big cities, there are blocks after blocks after blocks of poor, squalid neighborhoods.

Huge areas of thousands and thousands of people.

I'm gonna say less than 5% white. (that's 1 out of 20).

No, it's less than that. Probably less than 1%.

There's tenement building after tenament building with hundreds and hundreds of people of the same nonwhite race.

I suspect you rarely drive through such neighborhoods.

I can't remember ever seeing a large poor white neighborhood.

Have you ever driven through huge neighborhoods where it's just whites hanging out in the streets?

I grew up in the projects of both northern Ohio and southern Mississippi. People are not poor because of their skin color. They are poor because they grow up uneducated and undisciplined. You will find it the same world over. Anywhere in the world where you see a culture not value a good education, high morality, and strong family bonds with at least one working parent the people in general fall back to animalistic behavior.

Animalistic behavior includes violence towards your neighbors because they are a threat instead of someone to trust. Doing drugs to cope with stress and depression like alcohol, opioids, and pot. Having sex just because you feel like it instead of as a way to solidify a bond with a wife or husband. Doing only the work that gets you by for the week instead of building and saving up towards a future because you don't believe in any real future. Even if you believe in God you try to hide it because if you acknowledge his existence then you can't do all the bad things you do to cope with your life sucking so bad.

I have seen plenty of poor white neighborhoods and especially trailer parks that are as bad as it gets. I have been shot at, attacked with knives, and through many fights growing up. Some were so bad and so bloody they thought I should be dead. The main reason my mother moved me out of Ohio is because I kept coming home covered in blood and it scared her out of her mind.

Stop looking at people's skin color and start looking at their behaviors. It's easier to say it's just because they are black or whatever skin color you want to gripe about but that is just lazy thinking and a cop out. The real truth is that americans are losing their hard working mentality along with the intense desire to learn that made us great.

Americans have stopped fighting to keep their families whole and raise their kids in the best possible way. Single parent homes are not the best way to raise a kid. Sure I admire those that raise their kids the best they can but it doesn't change the fact that it puts their kids at a huge disadvantage.People stuck in poverty would rather be lazy and sleep around. They settle for crap jobs because they don't think they deserve better or that it's impossible to move up to the point if you tell them there is a great job opening they won't even bother to apply for it. They don't understand that you HAVE to keep applying and never give up if they want those jobs.

Third generation poor has been programmed at an early age that they are not meant to succeed in life. There is no point in studying for college because they will never go anyways. It's not like they need a degree to work at McDonalds or Walmart. They KNOW the best way to do things is to find a part time job and just collect welfare. That what everyone they know does unless they have already turned to crime to earn money. Even their parents will tell them to just drop out of high school and just go get any kind of job so they can start help paying the bills.

I only escaped that because of the churches that came and picked me up and made sure that I knew there were people that expected great things from me. That mentorship saved my life and changed my culture. All the success I have found in life is owed to those who put up with me and put aside their fear of me to make sure I turned into a good kid. My poor Sunday school teacher who I love to death later told me in college that when I first came to her class that she feared I would hurt someone because I had the scariest eyes she had ever seen and I was so tense all the time. It was because at age 13 I had already faced death more times than I could count and I was bigger than most grown men. She said it took every ounce of strength to not show her fear of me. I never even know it though growing up because she only ever showed me sweetness and kindness. To this day I would die for her in an instant.

You see when you're stuck in poverty it takes an outside force to release you from that kind of survival and animal like culture. When you don't have good parents or a caring community it's very hard to get that kind of change. IF you want to make a real change you have to change the mindset and culture first and you have to start with the kids because their parents are usually too busy making ends meet to even care.

Yes but they aren't nearly as easy to find because they are deep in the mountains of appalachia.. and spread out through the rural southeast... and the midwest.. and probably in other parts of the country as well and they aren't nearly as dense with people or easy to find...

In other threads we have Swish saying whites take more public welfare than blacks.. now you seem to be saying there really aren't that many poor whites... which is it?

There not even deep in Appalachia. You can probably drive 30 miles or less in any direction and find one. You probably won't find any of them on the street though. They're usually too strung out as the opioid epidemic has been ravaging many of their communities. At least in Southern Ohio. I can't speak for the entire State, but I doubt it's different elsewhere. And I doubt it's much different from the rest of the States either.

My sister sent me a copy of Reflejos a couple weeks ago.

I contacted Linda Siete, Executive Director of the weekly newspaper Reflejos, a Chicago-based free Spanish newspaper.



She added me to the mailing list and will be sending a copy every week.





PS. From what I’ve read in Reflejos, the hispanics in Chicago Do Not Like Trump.

Of course I could be misinterpreting what I'm reading. Maybe they really love him.

"Trump es El Diablo."

There are too many problems with this thread to ignore.

Most need a time out.

A person is not defined by their genetic source. They are a result of teaching and economics.

Let's just say I started out in the world as a welfare baby.

And where you come from may heavily influence who you were taught to blame that on.

I really enjoyed reading your post.
It gives insight regarding the person behind the words. I now have a better understanding of some of our conversations.

It's true that our attitudes and world views are shaped in no small part by our life experiences. The more we know about each other, the better we can appreciate WHY they think as they do.

It's a lot harder to hate a person when you start to hear his story.

Thanks Clem and I agree but I seldom hate anyone. I do have my core beliefs and philosophy that will never change and they come from the Declaration of Independence. I'm too lazy tonight to type a novella lol but I will share a little bit.

"all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Even the Jefferson understood the core issue in allowing a culture of poverty(I;m sure he didn't call it that but bear with me) is that many people and especially poor people won't change until they hit rock bottom or are forced to change.

So if people won't always change themselves for their own benefit then how do you improve the situation and culture and get them back on track again? It's certainly not easy. So what does the government owe the people?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

All men are not created equal. Some have better genes, some are stronger, some are smarter, some are more handsome, etc. What is equal is that we are born with the equal right to pursue our own happiness, to be free, and to be alive.

So government's number one job is to keep us alive and safe because you can't be happy if your dead.

Job number two is making sure we have the freedom to live our life in a way that makes us happy. Now this means different things to different people. Choosing who to be happy and who to make miserable is a tough decision for the government. I don't feel like there will ever be perfect answers to solve this problem. We still have to do the best we can. When in doubt give joy to the one who will benefit society the most.

The thing that benefits society the most are strong unbroken families and the ideal family is a working father, a loving mother, and children who listen and obey their parents. History has shown over and over again that countries that strive for this model are always the most successful. When they give it up they alway fall to ruin and decay. Why? Because being born to the family situation opens the most doors for a child to be able to have a chance to pursue happiness later in life.

So that third and final thing the government is responsible for is providing a means for its people to have a chance (not a guarantee) to pursue happiness. So what does it take to enable that?
1 to be safe
2 to be healthy
3 to be fed
4 to have a place to sleep that gives you shelter from the environment.
5. to get educated enough to be qualified to work.
6. to have a clear moral code to ensure everyone knows what is right or wrong without the help of a lawyer. Confusion creates distress not happiness.

We have to be enabled and free to pursue happiness. I view all things in life in life as a question. Does this action enable our countrymen to pursue happiness or does it hinder them.

There are many teachers in our lives, most are not associated with school.

That was my entire point.

It's more about your environment and those who surround you that help shape who you are.

quote above by Charger:



Well yeah. Of course. We learn every second we're awake. Right?

I met a person today named Caitlyn. Today my dentist had a new xray tech. named Fernando. Today, August 30th 2017 is one of the best weather days of this year.

I remember Caitlyn and Fernando. I can picture their faces. I'd recognize them if I saw them in a crowd.

What you learn in a "school" is different. I'm not sure how to describe it. The only thing that come to mind is disciplined. Requires effort. There's a goal.

Now I'm just throwing words out there.

Those were some good words though.