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I want BO to start .. Kizer needs time ... he's not ready and i don't want him ruined ...

BO can make plays ... CK won't allow himself to make plays .... thats the difference for me ....

Ditto, I want BO to start...Kizer SLOW out of huddle, his called back interception was REAL ugly....not ready yet...and CK throws mostly checkdowns.....start BO....Go Browns!!!!

start Kizer, don't look back

If Kizer starts week 1, another QB will be starting week 2.

Agreed. Haven't we learned anything from our past mistakes? DK needs time. We have time to develop him and the rest of our young players. The Browns are not going to compete for a playoff spot this year so give our young guys the time they need. JMO

sorry but this doesn't make sense.

he needs to play.

and he's already the best QB on the roster. while that's pathetic on it's own merit, that's the reality.

you play the guy who gives your team the best chance to win. and so far, it ain't brock or cody, it's Kizer.

I do not believe that whether or not he is the best QB is what matters most.

I think it is a given that he has been the best QB since we picked him; I think that what matters most is whether coach thinks him playing live games is the best way to bring him along right now, or if this early on he might be better served sitting and learning some more for the time being.

There's no rush -- this team isn't going anywhere this year. We need to proceed with whatever course is best for his development over the long term, not for what fans want to see in the short term.

i disagree.

i do not want to go into next season wondering if we need to draft a qb next year with our 1st pick because we didn't play kizer.

we need to know if he has a real shot at being the guy or not. and that isn't gonna happen by sitting him.

i think Hue can bring kizer along nicely while he starts the season. i'm looking at this the same way oakland did with Carr. they started him and didn't look back.

You disagree that doing whatever coach feels is best for his development is the correct path to take?

I wanted Brock and the 1st team offense to look better, which would have made the decision easier. The [censored] play of the OL made it much harder to evaluate. It had trickle down effects to the running game and the passing game. The kind of offense I think they want to run requires the OL to win up front.

I don't like the QB getting hit hard in the 1st series of a preseason game. Penalties and batted ball int. I really wanted to see Brock throw it somewhere on 3rd down just get the ball out of your hands and give someone else a chance.

Just wanted to feel better about Brock being the starter because I think he should be the starter. Look it...he's the best right now...not saying he's gonna even be average...he's still learning, rebuilding his confidence...there gonna be more missed throws then we like(just a smidge too high or too low etc) but imho its unfair to put Kizer out there right now he's not ready. And there's gonna be adversity...a lot of it. Right now imho DK doesn't have enough urgency to get the ball out, heck he's still learning how to get in and out of huddle let alone make line calls and audibles. He doesn't protect himself at the end of runs. Brock can run the offense without pre-snap hiccups, get in and out of plays on time. Gets the ball out faster has more overall command. And IF the OL played better I believe he would have moved the ball.

yes, as we have ALL disagreed with coaches and how they handle the team since 99.

we don't know what hue decides. if he decides to go with brock, i'll disagree but respect it. if he goes with kizer, i'll agree and respect it.

don't pull that crap acting like you never disagreed with how a coach handled a development of a player.

I wouldn't agree with you that he wasn't making his progressions against 3rd string guys.

But, I think we agree though. For me I would have wanted to see what happened last night before I made my decision.
That way IF DK did everything right then he would be in contention again during the rehersal game. Imho he didn't do enough to earn that. But, all I was saying was that a decision couldn't be made without last nights tape. And I think we agree there?

Who's pulling any crap?

Man, your panties sure are in a twist, aren't they??

My question was exactly what it was.... wondering what the heck you disagreed with because all I said was that I felt the best plan was to do whatever was best for Kizer's development in the long term.

Apparently, you aren't concerned for Kizer's development, though, so now I know, lol

so because i want him to start means i'm not concerned with his development?

that's a load of crap. nobody's panties are in a twist. that's just how you decide to process things when people don't agree with you. not my problem you're soft.

j/c

BO isn't ready either. Ugh.

you said it, not me.... and, again, I'm sensing that you have yet to really read what I actually wrote.

I don't care if he starts or sits - I only care that we do whatever it is that is best for HIM and HIS DEVELOPMENT. The immediate short-term results in the W-L category for the Cleveland Browns is not and should not be the deciding factor for things. If the two things align and him starting is the best thing for his development AND it leads to Wins for us, so much the better.

i read everything you wrote right up until you tried to claim i didn't care about his development.

you clearly don't read what i posted, as i FEEL as though what helps his development is to start and actually play.

Probably a poor choice of words on my part. He goes through his progressions, albeit at a snail's pace.

I saw enough last week to know that he wasn't really option for week one. I would have preferred to have seen a little more of Brock to see if he should be starting over CK. He adds a deep threat that will help our running game and keep defenses honest, but that only works if he can connect on it more than he misses.

I think Kizer will probably start sometime this season, but I want to know what we do between now and then.

Whatever the best course to develop Kizer is I'm good with. If Hue thinks he should sit for a few games, the season, or not at all ... just go with it.

My hunch: Brock starts the year, Kizer sits the first 5-6 games, then starts after we're like 1-5

You won't realistically know that in one season. You need 32-36 games(about 2 and half seasons of play) to really get an accurate gauge on a guys ability.

Kizer is a "high draft pick" any Qb taken in the 1st two rds is a high pick, and you don't just "give up on high pick" after one year.

Simply put, if the Browns brass has any kinda plan whatsoever we don't draft any QB in next years draft at all. We commited a high pick to Kizer(traded up to get him) that a commitment right there...You don't simply walk away from that kinda pick after a year.

Kizer should be the plan here for the next 3 seasons. We can't get an accurate judge on him right now because he simply does not have the talent around him. He has obviously shown he has the arm that Kessler simply doesn't have. Kizer isn't really limited in what he can do physically.

However, the Browns MUST stop this nonsense of discarding high pick young Qb's into the trash if they don;t play like Manning out the gate...once we go with Kizer we MUST stick with him for the next 2-3 seasons...we will never develop and grow a QB if were always in a state of flux all the time. Kizer is young he should have stayed on college honestly, plying him this year and he doesn't set the world on fire, fans will be demanding we waste another high pick on QB next year, again just putting us further behind.

Starting next year Kizer should be the #1 guy no question(hopefully he sits this year) and we use our 1st rd picks on other positions to actually try and build a team.

There will be no answers if Kizer is "the guy" or not this year by playing him because he is a rookie...He probably doesn't even know a quarter of the playbook, and he most certainly has not even practiced every play in the book yet....Kizer himself even agrees with Joe Thomas that he isn't ready yet.

Kizer WILL be the answer here IF for once in our life we do things the right way...and the right way is not rushing things, committing to a guy, and actually building a team around him instead of tossing guys in the trash at the 1st sign of not playing like Manning.

purely on a "talent" perspective (arm strength, physical ability, size, etc) i'd Take Kizer over any Qb coming out next year....Kizer was a 1st rd grade by most scouts, he just needed time to develop. We got him for an absolute steal, we just need to be patient for a change and develop him. Kizer needs time to learn, he simply isn't ready yet.

Brock looked like crap. Kiser is moving the ball, getting 1st downs, scoring, while showing he's the best QB in camp.

2-0. Stay with the hot hand Hue!

I've seen enough.

May as well start that clock week one and get this party started.

2-0

In my eyes DK didn't take that next step and close the gap. But giving him the opportunity was the only way to know how to move forward, making a decision without the results would be moving forward based on an assumtpion or preconception. Thats my take anyhow.

But now you move forward getting Brock ready with full first team OL in front of him and with a little more gameplanning in the 3rd game.

I'm not sure it takes 32 games to tell if a QB has "it" ... If Kizer starts 10 games this year Hue should have a WAY better idea than he does right now IMO.

Maybe not, but so far he's the reason at QB why we are 2-0 in preseason.

I know some of the situation is different, but Oakland got them an O line, a WR, had a RB, and then started a 2nd round rookie in Carr.

The only thing we are missing is a go to WR. But at least on paper, our starting o line is better than last year, and we have a good running back.

Looks like we might have a decent defense too.

People were saying Carr wasn't ready. But he beat out shcaub for the starting job. People said Wilson wasn't ready, but he beat out that one QB for the starting job.

Kizer so far has beaten Brock for the starting job.

Kizer might not be ready, but Brock sure as hell ain't, either. So Kizer needs to play.

If Brock starts with a record like that Hue will be called on the carpet.

Plus we play the entire AFC North in those 6 games. We better see Kiser early like game 2 or 3 if Brock starts week one and isn't cutting it.

this is a pretty good Bucs team we face saturday. Hold off on the decision but give Kizer the start in this one and see how he roles with it. Bucs are good but Giants D is one of the best we will face all year.

I believe he needs reps and reps and reps. This way Hue can avoid making a decision on week 1 starter. The kid shows he can handle it, u begin getting him ready. If not you go with Cody or Brock.

To think we won't be 1-5 (or there about), regardless of who starts at QB, is a little naive IMO. We stink, especially on offense. It's not an NFL offense.

i think we can pull off 4 games.

if we go 1-15 there's no way hue survives that.

Swish, I didn't mean 1 win all year .. I meant we'd start something like 1-5. We should win 3-4, I agree.

ahhh yea i feel you.

i guess my biggest fear is playing our annual QB musical chairs game.

whatever route they decide to go, the QB better have 4 games minimum to play before he gets yanked.

I think the 'Book' on playing rookies is just a controversy. Truth is some say play them some say sit them and there is no right or wrong, there is only fail or succeed. If kizer were to start and say win 8+ games it would be considered huge for him and his career. If he started and got brutalized game after game, winning none, eventually hurt... then it's going to be very bad for his career.

Sitting him give him the chance to learn from observing and asking questions, but does that really build his skills?

I will respect whatever Hue does with the QBs, but my preference would be to start Kessler game 1 with Kizer #2. I think Kizer will give us the best chance to win this season, but I think he needs limited action in a real game or two first.

"Simply put, if the Browns brass has any kinda plan whatsoever we don't draft any QB in next years draft at all. We commited a high pick to Kizer(traded up to get him) that a commitment right there...You don't simply walk away from that kinda pick after a year."

Carolina did. Drafted Clausen out of Notre Dame at 10 I believe, then drafted Cam the next year.
Not saying it's always the right move. Just saying it has been done.

I think we are going to take QBs every year until we have a Franchise QB and a stud backup or two, and that's exactly what I want them to do.

From Hue's presser, I think Kizer is the guy he's leaning towards. Once he said that "feelings" are a factor I don't know who else he could be hinting at. Does anyone get a good feeling about the O when Brock or Cody are in there?

Do I want to rush Kizer out there? Not really, but I think he opens up the offense in ways that entice Hue.

"At the end of the day, the best decision for the team is who can put the ball in the end zone and score points because that's what we're going to need to do.''

The guy putting points on the board is Kizer.

true

Man...........this is reminding me of the DA/BQ thang. Fans making rash judgements and putting pressure on the team to start their guy.

Fans always want to start the rookie whether he is ready or not and then will bury him when he fails like they just set him up to do.