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Hue has a rep of being good w/qbs. He sees the guys every day.

I just wish the fans and media would trust him to make the right decision.

I have the feeling that he is going to go w/Kizer. He got more meaningful reps last night. I'm surprised, but I won't get on Hue's ass if that is the route he goes.

I'm hoping the opposite. I know the pressure to start the rookie is huge, but Kizer can not improve while lying in a hospital bed.

Kizer is going to be running for his life every time the first read is covered on the play and quite frankly I don't think our WR's are going to get open very often.

I wouldn't play Kizer until he is able to read defenses better and can move through his progressions quickly.

I agree w/you. I think it would probably be wise to start Brock.

I'm just saying I am not going to get all over Hue if he goes w/Kizer.

I do think [know] that many fans and media members will be making this a huge issue all year if Hue does choose Brock.

Well, he's already won two, so.....

I hear this kind of rant all the time around here but when was the last time a rookie was ruined by starting game 1 over a healthy vet QB for the Browns?

If it's all about scoring points, then guess who's been involved in multiple TD drives so far this preseason and who hasn't.

And Vers, this is how I know you don't pay attention to anything I post.

Go back to those draft forums. I TRASHED Kizer repeatedly and didn't want us to draft him. I wanted Watson all the way.

But based on what we are seeing right now, Kizer is better than Brock. This isn't a DA/BQ situation because bq didn't start week one his rookie season and Brock wasn't coming off a 10-6 pro bowl season the year prior.

It's not the same whatsoever.

Kizer stated he's slow out of huddle, he's slow in progressions, he'll be slow figuring out all crap real games throw at him.....let him watch and learn for awhile, his time will come this season.....IF he progresses....GO Browns!!!

Kizer does seem to have made a great deal of progress throughout camp, and into the dog days .....

He still has a long way to go, but if he is named the starter, he can get all of the starter reps. He seems like a pretty smart kid, and he has been a sponge, soaking up all of the coaching thus far.

It's not like there's a better option. Brock has been horrible, and makes Kessler look like Favre as far as throwing down the field. Kessler looks like his ego has taken a huge hit, and like he has regressed from last yaear to this. Kizer is the only one who makes any sense. It's not a perfect solution ..... but it's the best one.

The argument that rookies get ruined by playing IMO is crap. Over the past few years many teams started their rookie QBs. They have good games and games full of rookie mistakes.

That being said, I prefer to start BO, but with a short leash. Kizer gives me the feeling, that, he is not going to need a year to be able to lead the team.

But that's the thing. A short leash?

If he starts Brock, then brock needs at least 4 games to start.

Kizer has shown a ton of progress thus far, and I think that's going to continue as he goes along. Brock has shown nothing to be worthy of being named the starter.

it does lead to another question: what if Kizer struggles A LOT during the first 2-3 weeks ... it's tough to go back once the rookie has been named.

That's why what makes the most sense right now is start Brock. #1 DK needs more time. #2 we start with 2 tough division opponents that will be licking their chops to be playing a rookie. #3 you don't want to see DK lose his confidence and have to be replaced if he starts the season and has to be pulled not to mention get beat up. He's not ready. Jon Gruden said as much during the game. I'm inclined to agree.

j/c:

Like I said earlier, too many fans are clamoring for Kizer. It reminds me of the DA/BQ thang. Not as intense, but it's early. LOL

Speaking of early, fans making definitive evaluations after two preseason games where none of the QBs have gotten a ton of reps [well, Kizer has gotten quite a bit, but not all] and NOT seeing what their doing on the practice field or how they are progressing in the QB room............is freaking insane!

Silly people.......let the thing play out and trust the coaching staff!

If this season is just development than just let him play the whole season regardless.

They didn't yank Carr, or even freaking Bortles.

These dudes just have to play.

I'm with tony dungy on how to handle qb's: if you drafted the guy to be the franchise, you start him week one and that's how he learns, by playing.

DA/BQ

Yeah, I was just going to say (up until your last post), this is kinda similar, but nowhere near BQ vs DA. Maybe because I was new to the board, but that one was waaaay more intense. It also lasted for like 2 full seasons.

If we're going to fondly remember back about past QB controversies, I'd like to point out that I think this one (if it becomes that) would be much more interesting. BQ was supposed to be the more cerebral and consistent of the two, but Kizer could be that as well as have the better physical talent. The only thing BO has going for him to "win" this competition is that we don't want to ruin Kizer. Going from there, it's not really a controversy, but more of us just patiently waiting for Kizer to turn potential into performance.
Just my honest, probably wrong, opinion.

The argument that rookies get ruined by playing IMO is crap.

Well you got to see the history of the NFL and why rookie QBs started playing.

Actually Marino was one of the first to be a model of a rookie starting...of course he was with a Championship caliber team.

Also soon after there was the escalation of Top 10 draft pick contracts especially for QBs. It got so bad that economically you could not sit 10-20% of you MONEY and had to play them right away.

I see Luck as a perfect example. Overall #1 pick the cupboard was bare especially at the OL and LT position. I stated if they didn't get an OL the poor kid would become damaged goods.

Well now some of the confidence is gone and well he is damaged goods as they never did build up that OL.

But now history has changed again. Bradford was the last of the mega contracts. So there is no rush to start the QB unless he happens to be the best QB to win games.

But almost all these QBs are coming to us from ONE READ Offenses. They have bad habits for the NFL. If they are thrown into the fire too soon those UGLY HABITS simply resurface when things are going tough. You got your Aaron Rodgers who sat and learned and have become better than imaginable. I know he might be the exception but I think it made him from very good to GREAT. tough to explain and I could go for hours. But Kizer has two eligible college seasons to go with...I'd rather he spends them here learning than college...but I don't want him learning bad habits and not PROGRESSING but becoming stagnant.

You might be wrong, but i highly doubt it .... u hit the nail on the head ... BO "wins" cause we don't want to ruin Kizer ... its the truth .... thats about the best thing you can say about starting him ... whats that say about CK that he's REGRESSED so much from last year thats hes not even in the conversation ..... that's PITIFUL ...

If Hue does start DK ... he best stop calling them read/options ... DK is big but hes not Cam big ... he's gonna get hurt ....

Last night I saw the same DK I saw at ND last year .... incredible touch on screens, can't remember a real good deep throw ... he excels at that ... he did have his miss the wide open reciever for a td throw ... and its always the same thing ... he puts to much zip on a ball that doesn't need it ... locked on, held the ball, didn't slide made a few bad decisions and one horrible one ...

Can't wait til tomorrow to see what Hue does .... not an easy choice based on their performances in TC and in the pre-season games .... the only movement was CK eliminating himself ... thats not what we wanted to hear coming in ...

It's not a rant. It's just the same sad story played over and over again because fans are stupid.

Saw it with Manziel. Saw it with Quinn. Saw it with McCoy.

Even if Hue does the right thing and starts Brock week 1, the chants for DK will start by halftime. Fans are stupid.

I am not a fan either (not are many others), but insulting the team's beat writer and belittling her efforts serve nothing.

That has yet to be proven here.

i actually thought kessler performed better than expected last year .. he has little to no talent. We'll see how Kizer progresses

Brock does have a history of NFL play, and nothing we have seen has done anything to refute these problems he has had. Brock is a known commodity. Hes a backup at best.

I think Hue goes with Brock. I can be convinced either way, but I think the team is more dangerous on offense with Kizer. And I mean that in multiple ways too.

Kizer will get plenty of opportunities to start when the season begins. I think, if I am correct, only 2 QB's to start 12+ games a season were Couch in 2002 and Derek Anderson in 2007.

How much better of a chance to win does Kizer really give us?
DK's potential is obvious. But, I see the Browns as significant underdogs in the first 4 games of the season. Give the reigns to Brock to start the season. If he implodes and games are lost due to his ineptness, turn the team over to Kizer. If BO plays ok through the first 6-8 games but the losses are adding up, turn to Kizer.

I do believe calling for Kizer to begin the season as the starter at this point is a bit premature.

I don't think it is fair to judge Brock on 2 preseason games when our best lineman was on the sidelines. As well as Crow being out for yesterday's game.BO has played a bit more than one quarter in the 2 games where as Kiser has played almost 4. Things can change dramatically next week. but as of now, slow down and trust the coaches.

If we were to start a QB not named Kizer, I'd prefer Kessler over Osweiler (I don't believe this is under consideration by anyone who matters). Kessler is bad, but at least he might take care of the ball.

I was almost positive Cody would be our day 1 starter ... for like most of the offseason. I thought there was no shot that Brock/Kizer would start ... then I thought Brock was a shoe-in. Then I thought Kizer. Then Brock. Now? I don't even know my own name.

I thought it was going to be Kessler. . . until we drafted Kizer. Kizer is obviously the most talented QB. Talent wins out.

Rather start Cody than Brock that's how much I hate his overthrows down the middle

Or his short inaccurate throws. Or his passes blocked down at the line.

I honestly don't care if we cut Brock. I'm tired of watching him. He's not going to improve. I'd rather just play Kizer, kessler, Hogan, or pick someone up.

I didn't think he'd last this long.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1242620/brock-to-cleveland#Post1242620

Yeah, when we acquired him I thought it'd last a few days/weeks

This is how I feel, pretty much my same thought process. Kizer is more enticing but he's so raw and I'm not sure it would be wise to play him week 1.

Btw I made a reply in another thread the other night about Barnidge and it came off sounding a little snotty. No offence intended.

We're in agreement ... and no worries lamp, we're all good

Cool, man!

One more time..............how about all of you QB experts allow Hue to make the decision?

Good God, you guys are freaking annoying.

You don't know squat about the position and pretend to know more than Hue.

Just clicking.

I said in one of the threads in the Giants game forum, this is the worst case scenario, it looks like Kizer is outplaying the others, even though he is not ready to start. Brock hasn't exactly run away with the job, and Kessler is too painful to watch.

It's Hue's call and whatever he decides is it. I would go with Brock just to give Kizer more time, and to have the threat of downfield passing. So, Brock over Kessler. But that's just my opinion.

Kizer will need the run to help move sticks as well. Just don't feel he is the man just yet.

Said it before, a limited controlled and scripted plan for Kizer would help to work him into a few drives each game. I think real game tape will help Kizer.