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DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns
Coach Hue Jackson named DeShone Kizer the starter for the Browns' third preseason game.

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DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

Coach Hue Jackson named DeShone Kizer the starter for the Browns' third preseason game.
The third preseason game is the dress rehearsal for Week 1, so it's Kizer's job to lose. "He has made a lot of progress by investing the time necessary to learn our offense, working hard to improve on his fundamentals while also effectively moving the offense in preseason games," Jackson said. "Development is so important for a young quarterback, this is the next step he needs to take and he deserves this opportunity. He is certainly positioning himself well to earn the starting job heading into the regular season." Through two preseason games, Kizer is 19-of-31 passing for 258 yards and a touchdown, adding 47 yards and a touchdown as a rusher. Brock Osweiler started the previous two exhibitions, but threw an interception and no touchdowns.

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Wow...shame Kessler and Brock just didn't have what it takes!!! Hope the kid the best. He definitely has the best talent. Hope he doesn't panic and fall into bad habits.

WOW...our run game and D better be stellar!

The kid scores points don't care if its with ones twos or threes...he is the only QB that seems to score!


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Its not.what i wanted to see .... if thats the decision, theres no looking back ... ready or not here it comes .... good luck kid ...

Its gonna be a rollercoaster with this kid ... lots of WOWS ... good and bad ... *L* ....

Take care of him Hue ...




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It's who I would have picked and the guy I thought Hue was going to pick, but I still don't feel great about it. Would have been nice to give him more time. Let's hope the resiliency he learned at ND serves him well. At least he should start the season with a solid OL in front of him, instead of last year's MASH unit.


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Well, Hue isn't calling it as Kizer for the opener against the Steelers. This could be something where he wants to see him with the 1's to see if this is something he can live with.

We'll see. Can't wait.


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I don't "like" it either...but I saw no path for Hue to name Oz the starter after his two performances. I think he would risk losing the locker room if he trotted Oz out there again as the starter.

CK looked better than Oz...while simultaneously looking very limited.

I think the decision makes sense...I just wish we had another option for awhile.

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Please tell me Joe Thomas is playing.


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If Kiser is our best chance, this means that both Brock and Cody are horrible.

Hue said the person starting the third preseason game will likely start the opener, so great. We're paying Brock a ton of money to be useless, and we moved up to draft Cody that obviously is barely backup material now.

Our QB situation is always so freaking depressing.

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Well, here we go!! Kizer is the man, the era begins!!so let's support the kid and see what he gots!!!!


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Good luck, kid!


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Insert "This was a FO decision" comments now.


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not really a shock with anyone with a pair of eyes...even given his issues, he still moved the offense better. Sink or swim time


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Well, Hue isn't calling it as Kizer for the opener against the Steelers. This could be something where he wants to see him with the 1's to see if this is something he can live with.

We'll see. Can't wait.
If he starts the 3rd preseason game isn't he for all intents and purposes the starting QB?

Once he's named the starter for this game wouldnt that create a controversy if you went to Brock week 1?

Or at least make the statement that DK failed in his dress rehearsal?

Or am I seeing this wrong....

btw- these are real questions

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Gave us the best chance to win. And Hue obviously feels Comfortable too. Should be fun!


you had a good run Hank.
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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
I don't "like" it either...but I saw no path for Hue to name Oz the starter after his two performances. I think he would risk losing the locker room if he trotted Oz out there again as the starter.

CK looked better than Oz...while simultaneously looking very limited.

I think the decision makes sense...I just wish we had another option for awhile.


I agree. It will be interesting next week, because teams like to rest their starters for game four, but Kizer and really the whole offensive units needs work.


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IMO there's no looking back now. Let him have the season ... or until he gets injured


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: jfanent
Please tell me Joe Thomas is playing.


I thought I read that Joe would only be playing on the third preseason game.

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I expected this. After watching the games he was the best one out there. Now this is the next step in his progression. Let us all hope he continues to put in the work and become our qb for years to come.


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there's no question he's the best ... it's just if this is the best for him


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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If we are just judging the performances on the field, Kizer was the most productive, giving the offense the best chance to produce.

I'm not surprised and I'm not going to criticize anyone for coming to this decision. If we put all our "fears" aside and simply judge the performance of each QB, you would have to admit Kizer turned in the best performance and deserves the chance to start.

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WOW, did not see this coming, I thought he was to slow out of huddle, etc,etc, shows how much I know....Hope he doesn't get hurt....he better slide every damn time.

He shouldn't play fourth exhibition. Guess Hue will tailor the game play for his STARTER,,,,,WOW....Go Browns!!!!


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I hope the staff really chooses to scheme up 'wins' in the playcalling to give DK easy throws that make him comfortable, confident and successful. Even to the extent of gameplanning specific match-ups even if it is showing their hand a bit....making him look good and feel good is THAT important next game.

DK must look good.

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that's the key ed. we MUST tailor things to his strengths. Literally dont make him do anything tough right now. Stress simplicity


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This is no surprise to me. Osweiller stunk and Kessler regressed badly from last year. Kizer was really the only choice.


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all Brock had to do was be below average ... he was WAY below average. never seen someone so inaccurate


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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IF our running game is what it's suppose to be...

and IF our defense is as legit as we're thinking it can be...

then the expectations for Kizer don't have to be too terribly high. All he has to do is execute the offense competently. In my mind if we can count on him to guide the offense to around 20 points by middle of the 4th quarter (which shouldn't be too hard... 1 passing TD, 1 from the ground game, 2 FG's from a 50+ yrd FG kicker in Zane...) we ought to see ourselves in positions of opportunities to pull out a W here and there.


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I hadn't seen this when I just commentd in another thread...a bit surprised, but not shocked or mad.

My only concern if in fact Kizer starts the season, it's going to be hard to take him out if he struggles, but Hue did a good job with Kessler last season. Kessler wasn't horrible, and Kizer is better than him.

Good luck Mr. Kizer. I hope you keep the job for many years.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
This is no surprise to me. Osweiller stunk and Kessler regressed badly from last year. Kizer was really the only choice.


Here is a perfect example of stats not telling the whole truth.
Kessler has thrown for a high % and hasn't thrown a pick iirc, but he just hasn't moved the offense and put up the points.

Anyway it's like déjà vu.

At least this time Kizer has the size and running ability, that others have lacked and a cannon to boot, so teams will have to respect is deep ball.


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Makes sense. I never understood wasting time with Osweiler when this is a 2-3 win team either way.

This year is about evaluating Kizer.

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Well, here we go!! Kizer is the man, the era begins!!so let's support the kid and see what he gots!!!!


I'll send him flowers in the hospital.

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Not surprised in the slightest. Kizer moved the ball and put points on the board. The others didn't. Kizer may not be ready but, he has outperformed Brock and Kess. So, that says a lot about the others.

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The adversity and physical toll of being a 21 y/o rookie QB on 2-3 team is high, dangerously so....and thats if the media is on your side

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Considering Brock and Kessler was a stretch to begin with. The biggest problem with the Browns has been putting points on the board. Brock may bring some trade value now but if not he can continue his backup career here.


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j/c:

Good luck, Kizer. Seize the opportunity.


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It's a moot point now by there is huge difference between going against 1-2s and 2-3s.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
The adversity and physical toll of being a 21 y/o rookie QB on 2-3 team is high, dangerously so....and thats if the media is on your side


Time to prove them all wrong. I'm excited to see we may have our future franchise QB and he's not sitting on the bench watching and learning from a less talented QB or a career Backup. He'll be scoring points and learning from experience on the field game 1.


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If you believe that Hue Jackson is a good Head Coach and a strong evaluator of quarterback talent then you applaud his decision.

Kessler and Brock were given the opportunity to seize the job. However, Hue saw more ability in Kizer.

Many in the sports media and maybe on this Board will criticize this move if Kizer ends up starting the season opener.

But they were not at every team function, practice, meeting and game. They did not see all that Hue has seen.

Kizer may experience a rocky road it comes with being a rookie starter at quarterback in the NFL. At the same time Kizer has done all he could to prepare for it.

The thing that gives me confidence is: he didn't seem overwhelmed. I didn't see panic. He did not play like the stage was too big.

Remember Weeden and Manziel. Both looked over-matched by the moment.

As far as wins and loses who knows? The reality is whoever won the job; was not someone we as fans could point to and go yea "we are ready to win it all".

Brock and Kessler did not show anything that instilled confidence in winning.

We saw the games and that was pretty much it. We didn't see all of what took place.

So here we go.

Best of luck DeShone Kizer. I wish you well.

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Well, here we go!! Kizer is the man, the era begins!!so let's support the kid and see what he gots!!!!


I'll send him flowers in the hospital.




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Originally Posted By: edromeo
The adversity and physical toll of being a 21 y/o rookie QB on 2-3 team is high, dangerously so....and thats if the media is on your side


Indeed, but Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota and others have survived.

If he has the support of the organization he'll survive.

If it's too much for him to handle, the Browns will be drafting a QB high next year.

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