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Hue WILL make the decision. What we think matters not.

Gee, thanks for the revolutionary information.

I would try to explain to you what I was inferring, but you wouldn't get it. Well, you might get it, but you would never admit to it. LOL

For the rest of you...............fans and media creating QB controversies never ends well. The coach either gets fired or the wrong guy plays. Sometimes, both!

Shut the hell up and let Hue make the decision and stop acting like you understand better than Hue who is the best qb on the roster for our team at this particular point in time.

Hue WILL make the decision. If anyone should 'shut the hell up' about this issue it's YOU. You should follow your own advice/decree...but you won't.

Relax man.

I've consistently said that I respect Hue's decision. He is the guy who has more knowledge than any of us. He is the guy who sees them in practices and in meeting rooms. We do not.

If you think that is a terrible opinion.........fine. But, I could care less.

Shut the hell up and let Hue and his coaching staff make the decision w/out being second guessed by people who don't have a clue about the position.

-jc-

I'd start Brock, let Kizer sit for at least 1/4 of the season or until he is ready. With Brock you can tailor the offense for Kizer and Brock will be able to run it. Kessler is a different type of QB and the offensive playbook would be different than one for Kizer. With Brock you set your playbook for Kizer and when he is ready to take over you insert him and the offensive scheme stays the same.

I just don't think Kizer is ready yet, he needs some time to watch Brock, sit in the film room on Monday's and rewatch what Brock did and learn what to do and what not to do.

I understand that Brock has not played well and I don't think he is going to be a long term solution for any team in this league, but to be fair, he only had a few practices with the 1's before game one, now he had a full week of practice for game two but was missing Joe Thomas and Crowell. Again no excuses but Brock isn't a great QB and taking away two of our best pieces on O and then be surprised when he doesn't look great seems kind of unfair.

Let Kizer sit and learn the Offense/playbook and after 4/8/12 games put him in. I would like to see him at least a 1/4 of the season.

Just my layman opinion.

We are allowed to talk about what we would like to have happen on a message board.

No kidding? Am I?

You basically told everyone to stop talking about it.


And by "basically"..

You literally told everyone to "shut the hell up"

So..

I'm anticipating Hue announcing BO to be the starter today ... and it's probably the smart thing to do (in terms of Kizer's career path, not our team right now)

This is so damn obvious folks.

Kizer ain't ready. Thomas even says so and he's the one in the huddle with him.

You start OZ.

What's interesting is who is the #2. One play away.

I really like targeting Kizer for the game before the bye week. One game film to look at for 2 weeks. Anything after game 4 works pending his progression.

We gotta get this OL rolling with a good running game. And HUE--ELIMINATE the dumb ass Read-option from the playbook. This ain't college and Kizer ain't no running back.

I'm pretty sure Brock won't be running the read-option haha, so if he starts we won't see it for a while.

I also think it's very sad that I think I'd prefer Kessler over Brock, at least he won't turn it over and is accurate (even though he won't pass it over 4 yards)

There's a large part of me that would like to see Kizer start game 1, I think so much of our Collective concern about starting A rookie is based on previous regimes and previous mismanagement of underwhelming Talent at quarterback.

However with that said, I don't want Kizer to start. And it's mainly because of one reason... that I am not impressed or confident that Hue will call a game plan that will give Kizer the best chance to succeed. I've still not seen preseason game but reading the game day thread it sounds like there are still major concerns over Hue and his play calling. If we had a good offensive coordinator, I would just say start Kizer if he gives us the best chance to win and it gives him the fastest learning curve.

I am saying that QB controversies don't end well. I am saying that Hue and his staff know more about who gives the team the best chance to win than we do.

Not sure what is so hard to understand?

I disagree w/this take. Why do you think Hue got the HC job? His work w/the media? Because he's black? Or perhaps, because he had a good reputation as a play caller and developer of offensive talent, especially quarterbacks?

Hue didn't lose all of his ability once he left the Bengals. What he lost was offensive talent. This offense is seriously lacking in talent.

Additionally, I think Hue did a masterful job last year of calling plays to help make Cody look adequate. The guy stinks and Hue did a great job of masking his weaknesses and designing plays that Cody could execute. Of course, the league eventually caught up and it was all over after that.

Hue is not the problem.

Making a singular point on one thing you said: you can absolutely run read option with Brock, he's every bit the athlete Kiser is.

Without a doubt, Hue isn't the problem and will be coaching uphill again this year from an overall team stand point. But more draft talent is on the way next year to close the gap.

A few people have mentioned Hues ability e/ QBs and that's another reason to feel better about Brock....dont think of the QB Brock is now, think of the QB Brock could be with Hue. From Cody and Griffin to McCarron to Dalton to Jason Campbell etc. Hue got more from them then was expected as far as production and execution from a QB standpoint.

Other than the fact Kizer is built more solidly, stronger, quicker and faster you make a great point ...

BO is a very good athelete for his size ... BO is not near as good an athelete as Kizer ....

I don't know who the better "athlete" is, but I think people are fooled by Brock's appearance when it comes to evaluating his athleticism.

I do know that Brock received a scholarship and committe to Gonzaga [a national powerhouse] to play basketball. He later chose to attend ASU on a football scholarship. I know that he was heavily recruited to play both sports. I also know that you gotta be athletic to play BB.

J/C

Kizer is starting PS game 3

On one thread you're complaining about not being able to make a "suggestion" and on this one you're telling people to shut the hell up.

Well, the answer is upon us. this should be interesting now

My feeling is it is best to go with Brock. My reasoning is you can always go to Kizer. I think once Kizer goes in it could do much harm to his long term progress if we had to pull him and go with Brock.

I was able to watch DK in high school, and I watch ever ND game. There is no need to rush him along, but I keep hearing about his accuracy and mechanics. Yes he needs to improve on both, but Brock has issues with both and his 6'8 frame does not help his slow deliver. Cody is the most accurate of the bunch, but lacks the arm strength to deliver the ball down field. DK played alot from behind, and if he is the best of the group then he should start. Keep in mind we have to find out what we have with him to prepare for the draft next year before we waste a high pick on one of the QB's coming out. We need a play maker in the WR core, we don't have one, and maybe our most dynamic play maker is Duke Johnson who is a RB2. From what I have seen I think Cody will be the starter until mid season then DK will get his shot.

If you go with Kizer. You don't pull Kizer. For anything (except injury obviously)

If you start Brock. Everyone is just waiting for Kizer..

Wouldn't be the case if Brock could complete the passes that's there and etc. He just has about no accuracy it seems and his confidence seems shot IMO.

I'm hoping Kizer can ball out of course. I mean, for him to fall to us in the second round and etc, it would just be the perfect solution to a problem we've had for such a long period of time. Get it done kid!

After the Saints game I chalked it up to bad timing with the WRs.

But.. he just looked not good Monday night. Everything was either high or getting batted down.

I keep hearing that everything was high or batted down. He had 2 incompletions and one of those 2 incompletions was batted. I don't think he played great, but he wasn't horrible either. He didn't play long enough to do either.

He hasn't gotten too many reps while Kizer has received the majority of reps. But, some want to use stats to compare them. LOL

I will support Hue's decision, but again, I think it is risky as hell. I hope he's right.

This is his highlight tape from the game. These are supposed to be the good plays.



Other than a bunch of screen passes and runs against 2nd and 3rd stringers, there isn't much.

This is destined to fail.

I don't blame Hue. He knows the fans want Kizer. I just hope that he pulls the kid out before he gets killed.

Kizer does have potential and the armchair QB's don't understand why "Just throw him in there!" isn't the great idea that they think it is.

Kizer did succeed mostly on screens and QB runs against the Giants, yes. And I'll admit I was a little disappointed in his performance that night.

However I do think there are some points to note:

- Watch the plays of the other rookie QBs in preseason. Most are screens, bootlegs, or plays being made off of scrambles.

- Kizer is the only one of the rookies who is staying in the pocket looking to deliver the football, almost to his detriment. Trubisky is second, getting the ball off quicker and making plays from the pocket but Chicago has called a TON of bootlegs with him. Watson and Mahomes are tied for last. Both are scrambling out of the pocket quickly and making their plays on the run. Mahomes looks like a rich man's Manziel without the drug problem, frankly.

- Watching the play calls for all the rookies, I can't help but think Hue is calling a different game for Kizer than the other rookie QB's. Think AP Calculus vs. pre-calc. Aside from a few screens, Kizer isn't really getting the "preseason play calls" to make it easier to have success.

- Ultimately, I think this is in order to see what he can handle to prepare a "crayons, scissors, and construction paper" offense for Week 1 tailored to his strengths. And you can damn well bet the Browns will run the hell out of the ball as well. Hue Jackson coached Joe Flacco, who was a lot further away than Kizer was from being ready to start. Defenses aside, the offensive talent is similar to the 2008 Baltimore squad.

I believe I read somewhere that Kizer will be the fourth youngest QB ever to start an NFL game since the merger (he doesn't turn 22 until January).

http://pfref.com/tiny/Palfu

It checks out. Only Drew Bledsoe, Jameis Winston, and Josh Freeman were younger.

wow, that's an impressive feat. he's VERY young, even for a rookie. and I do believe it's more of an indictment on Cody/Brock than anything else

j/c

There are a number of comments complaining about DK throwing mostly screens. I'd like to point out that throwing effective screens has been mostly missing since Hoyer. DK really sells fakes then delivers a catchable ball. That screen to Vitale was beautiful to see.

I think the reason he "sells" them well (at least so far) is that he's poised. He doesn't seem to panic when in the pocket.

so which teams are legitimately looking for a QB right now?
- Colts (Luck may be out a few weeks and they're familiar with Brock)
- Jaguars (Bortles/Henne suck and they're familiar with Brock)
- Ravens (Flacco injury concern and Schaub is awful)
- Jets (McCown is by far their best QB, which is telling)

Am I missing anyone? Of course other teams might be looking for an upgrade to their backup QB, but I doubt anyone would be willing to trade for Brock.

Best bet: Colts/Jags

The 49ers are my dark horse.

Lynch and Shanahan both have Denver ties where Brock had the most success. Similarly Shanahan's offense took some things from Kubiak, so there would be some familiarity there. Plus, Hoyer is eminently upgradeable and not getting any younger.

Could be Grimm. They'd probably be a team to consider too. Shanny does make QBs look good.