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So this means Mary Kay was right all along, huh? Yeppers! Like it or not, she's our football girl.
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I think Kizer earned this opportunity. I hope Hue can keep him coached up because he'll take his lumps if he starts the for season. But I also think the experience he gains will be much better than what he would gain carrying a clipboard.
Now I hope his targets are up to the task, the line is solid in front of him, and the run game is a beast.
I hope he stays healthy and finally puts the QB issue to bed.
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I think Kizer earned this opportunity. I hope Hue can keep him coached up because he'll take his lumps if he starts the for season. But I also think the experience he gains will be much better than what he would gain carrying a clipboard. This is something I feel works on an individual basis. I believe there are certain QB's who may be best served by holding a clip board and processing the information before implementing it. Then I feel that there are other QB's who learn best through experience. A hands on approach. To me they are no different than students in a classroom. There's no one size fits all. It's my hope that our D can step up and our OL can provide a good running game so that Kizer isn't asked to do too much, too soon. It's also my hope that he's they type of QB who learns best through experience on the field. Those are questions that are yet to be answered, so we shall see.
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Ok by me ... why not he has been the  best QB in camp so far ... JMHO
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Planed concentrating on College QB's this year anyway , lol .. Now , really big time .. Josh Allen maybe ?
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Lets be honest here if Kiser were all that and a bag of chips he goes way before we got him.
That said I think he has been a pretty good surprise, and I don't buy the theory that you ruin a young QB by playing them early, they either have the it factor or they don't. No one can ever let someone else define who they are at whatever they do, if the young man has that trait he will be a success if he doesn't then he would fail, be it now be it down the road he must be mentally tuff.
But someone hit on it actually some guys do benefit from sitting some don't. So far Kiser has been not so bad when the lights come up. If he will continue to work hard and listen to Hue he will be just fine.
He will have his ups and his downs and that will improve as he goes forward, but me I am not nervous in the slightest.
This is something that needed to happen for a lot of reasons.
Long term Kiser either presents himself as our answer or we can easily move on come next draft. In my mind this couldn't have worked out better.
As I view it we win either way..
Oh and I most certainly am not scared of Pittsburgh, they may beat us but I bet they leave Cleveland knowing that their days are number.
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that pretty much says it all.
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Wouldnt bother, Kizer will succeed. And 2018 is an overrated class anyway.
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I will be praying for his life if we start our man child against the Steelers for game one. 
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Here's to hoping our revamped O-Line protects him all season and he stays healthy!!
Also to more ups than downs as the season progresses!
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I really hope this move is the beginning of a long glorious tenure for Kizer and the Browns. Then we will never have to ever see the history of QB's since 99 again after this season.
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A big positive is we can find out about Kizer. We have 5 picks in the first two rounds next year.
If we don't have to spend one or more on a QB, we can get good real quick. I have seen enough from the FO that they can pick good players.
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I like Kizer more after these two appearances, and I hope he does well.
As for anything that happened in the past, it's done and gone, never to be seen again. If we had a bunch of QB injuries in the past, there's no way it can affect what happens now. The real world doesn't work like that.
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Wouldnt bother, Kizer will succeed. And 2018 is an overrated class anyway. QB Draft classes are like Monets'.
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Wouldnt bother, Kizer will succeed. And 2018 is an overrated class anyway. QB Draft classes are like Monets'. So the Draft hasn't happened and no QB has played a Down ; But your crystal ball tells all ! Where do I get one of those BIG ?
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that pretty much says it all. Not really. Brock played against the first team and Kizer got to demolish 2nd and third string players. It's not nearly the same thing at all. I am no fan of Brock by any means but I think you have to take those stats with a grain of salt. When you take into account the number of series and playtime each player had it's very clear Kizer has had a TON more chances while the other QBs have had very limited play time. To me it's more like playtime was orchestrated to give Kizer the best possible chance to be starting. I think Hue knew before preseason even started that Kizer was going to be the starter. They did lip service to Kessler and gave Brock just enough chances to hopefully win a trade partner. Granted Kizer had certainly made the most of his chances. I just hope he doesn't get creamed by holding the ball so long.
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btw to be clear I am truly rooting for Kizer to succeed. I am just worried we will ruin him by having him start so early.
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I have no choice but to trust Hue. Kizer looks to have the ability. He is young and about to experience football at the highest level. There is no way to tell what will happen. Only a few thought Dak was the best last year. Many thought Wentz was the next Big Ben, and he started strong and ended so so. Every individual is different.
We as fans need to refrain from calling for this kids head too early if he hits some speed bumps. Mariota wasn't the godsend he was made out to be, but he is getting there. Cousins was not considered a top tier guy, yet he is succeeding. Rookie QBs get plated quickly nowadays, we must live with that fact. He was a second round pick so money is not a problem. This could be the beginning of the end. We will see.
I will be pulling for this guy, and I hope the fans put aside personal preferences for a little while, and let the story unfold.
I also agree with Vers, his rope needs to be long, very long IMO. This team is still building, let him grow with it.
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Good points all! If he is The Man, then he needs to start one. And he needs as many reps before we see the nasty opener as possible. We have delayed improving our QB in the past with the Mystery Starter lunacy which realized very little benefit for the Browns. Just cutesy and wasted some practice time reps for the eventual starter, so I like this better.
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In a way I'm happy, I thought he outplayed the other QBs in the games. Brock screwed himself by being ordinary against NY, he's just not an accurate passer.
So young though is Kizer, I worry he gets ruined, but I am hoping.
Like everybody else here, I hope he is the answer.
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I say the odds are 50/50 that a Young Rookie makes it through the season without becoming damaged goods . Depends on the quality of the surrounding cast .
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Well, not surprised, the vets failed to seize the day. Kizer outperformed them both...the offense had a spark DESPITE poor oline play...thank you for seeing the reality of it Hue! Aikmen was 1-15 his first year, Manning 3-13. It worked out for them...their teams were as bad as ours...it can work for us.  Lets hope the kid can perform, survive the season, grow, and end this fricken annual QB competition crap for the next 15 years!!!
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I hope for the best, but expect ups and downs, there are always options.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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DK has been better than the other 2 QB's thus far but I still feel it is a big gamble starting him this soon. I hope he doesn't get hurt or have his confidence ruined. I like DK and feel strongly he could be our future but believe he needs more time. JMO
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I feel like if you don't say that you support the Shawn Kaiser then people in this forum assume that you don't support them so I want to say that I do support the shot at Kaiser and one him to have success.
And this is voice to text so I apologize in advance okay
With that out of the way I don't understand how people are saying that DK has outperformed Bo unless they are only taking a cursory look at training camp and preseason take the scrimmage for example Bo clearly looks better despite the fact that he was out there with the second and third string offense going against the first string defense in that game he looked better than DeShaun Kaiser who was out there with the first and second team offense against the second and 13 defense that is telling team then you have the preseason games where DeShaun Keyser was only playing against second and 13 guys in the second half of the first preseason game where Bo played starters vs starters well excluding of the tackle those are huge differences
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I know in Hue's presser when asked about this (Brock not playing) he stated that it was to see more of the youngsters...Kizer, Kessler and Hogan.
Although that could be true it also might mean we have a trade almost completed and don't want to risk any injury on Brock???Maybe Dolphins after getting a good look with Cutler???
Just thinking out loud!
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j/c 1. Browns in business at quarterback. No matter what Cleveland coach Hue Jackson decides to do at quarterback—and DeShone Kizer certainly appears to have the inside track to the starting job—there’s little question that the Browns have been thrilled by how that room has come together, considering the middling investment the team made at the position. Why? Well, to put it bluntly, both Kizer and Brock Osweiler came with checkered reputations, and each guy put to rest quickly all the concerns the Browns may have had.
Creativity from Sashi Brown and the front office had the Texans actually paying Cleveland a toll to take Osweiler, which was a sign of just how quickly the quarterback’s relationship with the staff and the organization in Houston had rotted. So the concern, and a reason why there was a chance that Cleveland would just release Osweiler in the spring (even with the money owed), was how he would respond to the tough love approach of Jackson and his staff. As it turns out, he’s been great in that regard, and that’s something that stands to help him get another shot elsewhere, should Kizer seize his opportunity Saturday night.
As for Kizer, his slump of a redshirt sophomore year and his Notre Dame team’s 4-8 record certainly were a big part of his plummet from prospective Top 5 pick to 52nd overall between last fall and draft weekend. But another piece was how word spread in the scouting community that he was spoiled and entitled, and that explained the rocky relationship he had with Brian Kelly and the Irish coaching staff. The feeling was that he had a lot of growing up to do. Well … either those concerns were overblown, or Kizer has matured after his fall down the board in April. Either way, he proved himself as early as May to be: A) the most talented quarterback on Cleveland’s roster, and B) a pretty good kid. That put him in position to compete for the job, and now he’s in a spot to win it.
Maybe the Browns don’t have the long-term quarterback that Brown and Jackson are going to hitch their wagons on the roster, and maybe they’ll be looking at Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen next spring. But the fact that there’s even a chance they might not have to is a great development, and there’s no question the situation they’re staring at now is a lot better than the one they were sorting through in early March. And because they handled it this way, they’ve got Myles Garrett to boot. A snippet from MMQB. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/24/cincin...ck-osweiler-nfl
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Kizer won 5 games last year at ND 5 of em and hes a starting QB in the NFL why do I have a problem with that...man watta curios decision lmao
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??? usually W/L is a good reflection of the entire team. Did they lose a lot of players from 2015? OL? Skill players?
I don't see that as being the Negative about him. Seems most all the negatives I have read from his ND days do not exist here.
As long as he doesn't regress and keeps on progressing.
Talent wise many had stated that he was the most talented QB in the draft.
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Not withstanding my utter disapointment and unhappiness with the Browns players who refuse to stand for the pledge.
Marching Kizer out there IMO is a mistake. He is only 21 years old, he was a Jr. in college and honestly should have stayed at ND for another year. We could easily ruin this kid.
Kizer had some success, but most of that success was against guys that won't even make an NFL roster. We really need to put things into perspective here. Against the Giants starting defense in a 6 play stretch he was sacked 3 times and ran 2 other times because he held the ball to long.
The Steelers will eat this kid alive. He is NOT ready. Osweiler only played 5 total series, I mean give me a break. Talk about a kneejerk reaction.
I fully expect Jackson to march Kizer out there, and the kid will fail because he is being set up to fail...and with the kneeling during the pledge shenanigans i hope it all snowballs and gets him fired.
in a few weeks, just maybe i may have gotten over or looked past the pledge kneeling nosense if they stopped doing it, but they will straight up ruin Kizer.
Tampa will most likely bring their A game and when Kizer struggles against a real starting NFL quality defense, what then?
The Steelers will probably make him look worse then Frye did in 2007, what then? you can't go back at that point..else your giving up on a high pick.
Bottom line is Kizer was deemed a guy that would "need to sit" for awhile to be a vialbe NFL QB...nearly all the NFL scouting experts said so...all of them said he wasn't ready.
Rushing him like this is a shame, this will just put the kid in the QB graveyard with the rest of the Browns QB.
Were not going to win the division this year, let Brock take the lumps this year and let Kizer learn...he has a long way to go both mechanically and mentally as a QB....this is a huge mistake.
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Brock has had more than just 5 series. He's had all of camp too. And he didn't take the job. As much as I hoped he would, he didn't. Period.
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lol didnt joe just say like 4 days ago that Brock should be the starter
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lol didnt joe just say like 4 days ago that Brock should be the starter #Browns LT Joe Thomas said everybody asks me about QB and I always say I don't know anything about it and I proved it with Week 1 prediction
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Americans aren't clones, you don't like what some of our players did....get over it. They prayed.
Our coaches taught and saw whole training camp- we didn't. I trust them more than any of us.
Our O line had backups in most of exhibitions- JMHO, Kiser will be protected better when real bullets begin AND IF Hue does what he stated he will do....ie run more.
I wasn't for starting Kizer, but I don't have knowledge the coaches do. Hope Kizer is the real deal....GO Browns!!!!
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