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I thought you were replying to my post where I said we would be ready for a run in 2 years.........psst you were replying to me that's an honest mistake on my part bro. Quote:
Wrong, how? Tell me where I have said that I didn't think Opie has what it takes to get it done? Tell me where I said I wanted him fired.
You guys have your heads so far up Opie's ass that you are unable to distinguish criticism for some of his moves to outright hating the guy.
Well I was just kidding you until...........
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Truthfully, I don't know if he can get the job done or not. I'm not saying he will and I'm not saying he won't. In my mind......the jury is still out. He's done some good things, such as drafting Wimbley and Joe and some bad things like Leon, Pool, and butchering the QB position.
Bro how the hell can you say that he butchered the position??? I'll take your obvious dislike for BQ aside, but how can you butcher something you never had?? We've not had a good QB situation to butcher since rebirth.....period. There's a reason that Anderson is beating out Fry, and there's also a reason that we where so high on giving Fry another shot until the new OC came in, and then looked to upgrade on 3 seperate occasions bro......but I'll let you figure that one out. So my question is how can he butcher something he never had?? Botch left him players that didn't fit the scheme and BUMS, and he's worked with a 3rd round pick that has shown little, and who the FO has seemed to sour on. So what did he do actually to butcher the situation??? By getting an upgrade at QB and pissing you off, because he didn't do it your way of letting Charlie flounder back there another year??? I'll let the Poole/Leon comment go, because you know as well as I do a player in his 2nd year can't be judged...........you might be right, but we don't know that until year 3........look at Jones last year. The only thing that justifies this comment by you (someone who has ALOT of football knowledge) is a vendetta/agenda of some kind bro.............because you can't butcher something that you never had.
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Do I really have to explain the QB situation again? Who let three QBs go and replaced them w/Dilfer, Frye, Anderson, and BQ? Dilfer is no longer here. Dorsey, Frye, or Anderson is on the way out. BQ is going to have to play lights out to justify what Savage gave up for him. And btw.........what was Savage's record w/QBs in Baltimore? Redman, Wright, Boller. Pfftttt. Oh, and I don't dislike BQ. I am talking a wait and see position on him. Oh.....the horror.  Quote:
The only thing that justifies this comment by you (someone who has ALOT of football knowledge) is a vendetta/agenda of some kind bro.....
Too many of you guys worry too much about what other posters are thinking. You can't control any of us. And you really don't have a clue as to what I'm thinking.
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Oh, and I don't dislike BQ. I am talking a wait and see position on him. Oh.....the horror.
Here here.
I don't know too much about Brady Quinn, but most ND fans I talk to don't look at him as highly as Diam does. They say he's good, but he's not a superstar.
I don't expect that much out of him, and I would be perfectly happy to let him take his time and not be pressured into a starting role. If we handle the situation right, he should work out.
But just because he's a 1st round QB we drafted, i'm not ready to ordain him the best thing since sliced bread. lol
I just wish the spotlight could be taken off him and put on someone else. I mean, we got Jamal Lewis; why can't we get an interview from him. How about Joe Thomas, i want more on him. He was our 3rd pick (and rightfully so), not the 22nd. This pressure that seems to be put on Quinn to save our franchise is rediculous, and I don't know if he'll be able to live up to our expectations.
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Truthfully, I don't know if he can get the job done or not. I'm not saying he will and I'm not saying he won't. In my mind......the jury is still out. He's done some good things, such as drafting Wimbley and Joe and some bad things like Leon, Pool, and butchering the QB position.
You are about the 5th person to speak for me here in the last week or so and not accurately convey what I believe. Don't put words into my mouth.
Here.........let me make it real clear for you and the others.............I DO WANT SAVAGE TO SUCCEED. I DO NOT WANT HIM FIRED. I THINK HE HAS A CHANCE TO SUCCEED, BUT HASN'T YET.
So basically you are riding the fence??
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Who let three QBs go and replaced them w/Dilfer, Frye, Anderson, and BQ?
You forgot to name who we replaced Vers.............Garcia (good QB didn't fit the system), Holcomb, and McCown. Holcomb was a solid backup, but has failed whenever he's been giving the oppurtunity to start, and most likely will be cut or let go by his 3rd team in 4 years. No need to mention McCown, because he is a 3rd stringer. Like I said bro, you can't butcher what has already been butchered for you...........or rather had been butchered since 99.
We've replaced them with Frye, Anderson, BQ, and Dorsey. Either Fry or Anderson will be a solid backup in the mold of Holcomb for a few years here, and BQ will develop into our starter by next year. Bro that's not only not Butchering the situation, but that's a better unit for the long term than the one we had..............would you want to build upon the unit we had over the one we got now??? Sorry bud, but that don't make since, and your right I don't know what your thinking....lol.
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Oh, and I don't dislike BQ. I am talking a wait and see position on him. Oh.....the horror.
Before the draft you told me that BQ was # 2 on your board behind Joe (same as mine), and that you thought he was going to be a good QB. So what has happened since April to make you cool off on him so much??? Obviously it can't be anything football related, becuase they haven't even played in pads yet.........so what happened?? Not trying to be a jerk, but really curious as to what made you cool off on a guy that was # 2 on your board when no football has been played yet. I mean bro, it's a big jump from being # 2 on somebody's pre draft board to being part of a butchered QB situation. Like I said I'm curious to know why.........have you heard something off the cuff about him???
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Truthfully, I don't know if he can get the job done or not. I'm not saying he will and I'm not saying he won't. In my mind......the jury is still out. He's done some good things, such as drafting Wimbley and Joe and some bad things like Leon, Pool, and butchering the QB position.
You are about the 5th person to speak for me here in the last week or so and not accurately convey what I believe. Don't put words into my mouth.
Here.........let me make it real clear for you and the others.............I DO WANT SAVAGE TO SUCCEED. I DO NOT WANT HIM FIRED. I THINK HE HAS A CHANCE TO SUCCEED, BUT HASN'T YET.
So basically you are riding the fence??
If you wanna call it that, go ahead. I prefer to think that the situation hasn't played out yet.
I think Savage has made some good moves, but has made more bad moves. However, some of these guys may pan out and Savage may improve. I am willing to give him time to complete the job he started.
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You forgot to name who we replaced Vers.
No, I did not forget who Savage replaced.
What you forgot is how much Savage has invested in the QB position.
First, he trades a 4th round pick for Dilfer. I don't know about you, but I think 4th rounders should be productive members of your team. Not unless you reach and draft stiffs like Antonio Perkins. But, for most teams.....4th rounders contribute to their team at some point.
Then, Savage turns around and spends a precious first day pick on Charlie when he picked him up in the 3rd round. We needed all kinds of help on the OL, DL, and LBing crew, but Savage picks 3 perimeter players in the first 3 rounds.
To make matters worse, he then trades Dilfer for Dorsey and a 7th round pick. Will either make the roster this year? He then gives up on Charlie in less than two seasons.
Savage then trades the # 36 overall pick [which is damn close to a 1st rounder] and a likely top 5 pick for Brady Quinn.
That's a lot of investing in the position and when you combine them all.......it speaks to the fact that Savage doesn't evaluate QBs well, as was his track record in Baltimore, unless you think Redman, Wright, and Boller were sound moves and have left the Rats in good shape at the position.
You see, I could have understood if he did some of what he did, for instance---keeping Holcomb and then drafting Frye to take his place. Or, getting rid of Garcia and KH and bringing in Dilfer and then not taking another QB until he takes BQ this year. But.....all together........it reeks of not understanding the position.
This team is severely lacking in talent. Once again, let me remind you that every national media guy out there says the Browns do not have enough talent to win this year. The Vegas over/under is 5.5 games. If you know anything about football, it is easy to see that the Browns have been outclassed from a talent aspect in almost every game they have played in the last couple of years.
Yet, Phil Savage is throwing draft picks around on QBs who haven't helped the team.
Look..........you guys make fun of me and belittle me for my opinions on this, just like you all did when I said Couch was a bum and that Leon was a bad pick. However, if anything.......it should be me making fun of you guys for thinking he has done such a great job w/the QB position. I won't do that though, because you are entitled to your opinion. If you think it's smart to trade a 4th for a QB and have ZERO in return w/in a couple of years and draft another QB in the 3rd and give up on him after less than two seasons worth of games...........more power to you.
However, I think it is appalling and ludicrous for you guys to make fun of me for saying that Savage has butchered the QB situation.
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Before the draft you told me that BQ was # 2 on your board behind Joe (same as mine), and that you thought he was going to be a good QB. So what has happened since April to make you cool off on him so much???
Yes, I told you that he was # 2 after Joe. No, I never said I thought he would be a good player.
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2>Trade down
3> The Mighty Quinn
So obviously.......I thought highly of him. I thought he had a chance to be very good in the NFL, but I NEVER put that franchise moniker on him. But, I still liked the kid. So, what changed?
First..........I still think we gave up too much for him. People can spin it any way they want........we gave up two high picks for a kid who may pan out and who may not. I don't like those odds. I also know that amongst our younger, more naive fans, that gambling is cool. My philosophy is that if you gamble, eventually you are going to lose.
Secondly, it really concerned me why so many teams passed on him. I've heard all that BS too and I wanted to buy it, but common sense tells me it is BS. Especially when I hear some of these same teams have problems at QB. Teams like Oakland, Detroit, Washington, Minnesota, Miami, Jacksonville, NY, KC, Rams, Seattle, Buffalo, have all been said to need QB help. Yet they all passed on, or didn't make a move, to get a "franchise QB?" 
Remember this phrase..You don't pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one? How many of those teams actually have a franchise QB? Sorry man.......I have too much common sense to not wonder about what they thought of BQ.
Next, I heard a disturbing rumor that Junior had a big say in making that trade. Not that he ordered it, but that he really, really wanted BQ. Later, I heard Mav say something similar. It helps explain why we gave up so much when other teams who needed a QB passed on the kid.
I have also heard that some of the Browns are calling him "Wild Thing." And no, it's not because of his life style. It is because his throws have been wildly inaccurate. The Browns Home Page even tried some damage control, but frankly, BQ has not been looking very good.
I admit that it kind of bugs me that we are putting in a complex offense and BQ is struggling, yet he is playing the marketing angle up for all it's worth. I can see why that wouldn't bother some people, but sorry man, it bugs me. I say you take care of priorities first.......meaning get it right on the field......and then let the rest come to you.
Finally, I have been researching a lot on BQ since the draft. There are too many reports out there that conflict some of the things we have heard on this board. They are not all good. One of the biggest things that bothers me is that his leadership is questionable. I also have heard more on him being inaccurate at times, not handling pressure so well, and not having much room for growth.
I cannot say any of those things are absolutely true. However, all of them give me pause. And I am NOT SAYING THAT HE WILL BE A BUST.
What I am saying is that right now I have some concerns and I don't have a good feeling inside about him. You may or may not recall all the guys I felt that way about and ask yourself............how did they turn out?
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He has invested much into the position.
I think that is good rather than sticking with something that doesn't work. I guess the same can be said of the LT position.
As a football guy you understand that getting the right players is critical. You probably also understand getting them is part timing and part luck....along with understanding what to look for.
I would geuss there are times Savage or any other GM ends up taking 2nd or 3rd best when those are the only real options.
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Teams like Oakland, Detroit, Washington, Minnesota, Miami, Jacksonville, NY, KC, Rams, Seattle, Buffalo, have all been said to need QB help.
Oakland picked the better qb prospect.
Detroit picked the best player in the draft.
Washington has Jason Campbell who was a 1st round pick.
Minnesota just drafted Jackson the year prior.
Jacksonville has 2 qbs that can start in the league. They had more pressing needs elsewhere. Reggie Nelson was the greatest possible pick for them. Not only that if they would of drafted Quinn they'd be paying 2 1st round qbs.
Ny took Kellen Clemens last year in the second round who is going to be at the worst a pretty productive qb. He's Chad Penningtons heir. Also Pennington is thier franchise. When he stays healthy they make the playoffs every time. When he doesnt they have a top ten pick.
Kansas City is about to let Brodie Croyle have his shot with a good veteran back up in Damon Huard. Also, we snuck in before the Chiefs and took Quinn. You have no proof that the Chiefs also were not trying to move up to take Quinn.
The Rams just resigned Bulger to a huge contract...I think they like him...
Seattle goes as Hasselbeck goes. He's thier franchise qb.
Buffalo spent a 1st round pick on JP Losman who did really well down the stretch last year. Why would they spend another one 2 seasons later with a giant hole at runningback and Marshawn Lynch staring at them in the face.
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Yeah.............I have heard that BS many times. How many of those guys are "franchise quarterbacks?"
The rule...........you NEVER pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one.
Thus, it appears that those teams did NOT think BQ was a franchise QB.
How freaking hard is it?
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J/C...... I read and re-read the article on this thread.......And I must of missed the read on the QB`s....  But as far as the linebackers....I`m glad to see the same guys again.....and excited to see what peek will bring.....
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Before the draft you told me that BQ was # 2 on your board behind Joe (same as mine), and that you thought he was going to be a good QB. So what has happened since April to make you cool off on him so much???
It basically boils down to I pi$$ed him off .. *LOL* .... and unfortunatly .... thats very sad but there's alot more truth to that than he'll ever admit ...
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The rule...........you NEVER pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one.
Thus, it appears that those teams did NOT think BQ was a franchise QB.
Or, they had almost all spent FIRST OR 2ND RND DRAFT PICKS on their QB's in the last 3 or 4 years and they were AFRAID you'd think they BUTCHERED the position so they were afraid to invest anymore in it ... *LOL* .......
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Savage then trades the # 36 overall pick [which is damn close to a 1st rounder] and a likely top 5 pick for Brady Quinn.
I don't know about you Vers, but the 36th pick never bothered me too much.. It was giving up the 1st next year that had me thinking the price might have been too high. GIving up a 36th pick this year if we do indeed get a starting QB of quality is really pretty cheap when you think about.
Here's the thing.. Quinn doesn't appear to be a stiff. There is plenty of evidence that he could very well turn into a quality QB in the NFL. (some would say there is also plenty that says he won't, but I don't subscribe to that thought process, I have a real hard time being a negative about him until I actually get a chance to see how he performs on the field)
As for the 1st pick next season likely being a top 5 pick,, Man I hope you are totally wrong about that.. Cause if you are right, there will be an uprising among the fans the likes of which we haven't seen since the team moved or when they cut Kosar.. It will be very very ugly around here if that happens.
Personally, dispite what some think, I believe we might just be in a pretty good position at the QB spot and it will come to light over the next two seasons... oddly enough, I don't feel that way because of who we have there, it's because we addressed the Oline.. That is what makes me feel better about any QB at this point.
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Secondly, it really concerned me why so many teams passed on him. I've heard all that BS too and I wanted to buy it, but common sense tells me it is BS. Especially when I hear some of these same teams have problems at QB. Teams like Oakland, Detroit, Washington, Minnesota, Miami, Jacksonville, NY, KC, Rams, Seattle, Buffalo, have all been said to need QB help. Yet they all passed on, or didn't make a move, to get a "franchise QB?"
I've been backing up or even somewhat agreeing with a lot of things you've been saying lately, but this one made me scratch my head.
Oakland - Russell, personally I'll take the guy with brains over the cannon arm.
Detroit - Best player in the draft and Matt Millen isn't much of a GM anyway.
Washington - Jason Campbell didn't even start half a year AND they gave up a #1 in the next year's draft to get him. They essentially did what we did, they would have pulled the plug on him quicker than we pulled the plug on #9 if they drafted Quinn. Plus they have so few draft picks it would be stupid to gamble on another QB after just drafting a first round QB.
Minnesota - Tavaris Jackson, they're comfortable with him. Personally I think they made a mistake by doing that. But just like Washington, they made a big investment in a guy.
Miami - The one legit headscratcher where your argument is most valid.
Jacksonville - There was a war over it in their war room, half the staff wanted Quinn.
NY - Jets? I'm assuming Jets. You really think they wanna pull the plug on Pennington? The guy is one of the smartest QB's in the league, it's a shame his physical skills limit him. I'd take him on my team any day, he can win a Superbowl. If he stays healthy he has 5 good years left at least.
KC - We got in before them, and I have a feeling they would have taken Quinn.
Rams - Marc Bulger, see Chad Pennington but I like him even more. IMO Bulger is a top 5 QB. Putting the Rams on this list made me laugh. Still young, drafted in 2000. Do you think the Colts are looking to replace Peyton Manning (drafted in '98)? LOL. Bulger is a franchise QB.
Seattle - Say what???????? Hasselbeck falls in the Pennington and Bulger mold. None of these three teams should be on this list.
Buffalo - Apparently they wanna continue the JP Losman experiment, also a first round pick. See Washington and Minnesota.
Come on, it's common sense as to why these teams passed on Quinn, except for Miami. I think they'll regret it when their glorified punt returner can't run a good route.
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Good post. Nice counter to many of Vers' points.
Vers, I've got to say you've got me thinking a little bit this morning - in a good way. Good info on BQ. I'd like to have a link to any iinformation you've got on BQ not being a good leader.
I see both sides to this BQ argument. I walked away from Vers' post kind of depressed this morning.
Ammo, you've given me some hope back.
I wish the season would just get here already so we can start to get some of these questions answered.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I thought it was STUPID to trade for Dilfer and let Holcomb walk cuz I thought Dilfer was worse.
You need to check your facts. They didn't let Holcomb walk, he was offered a contract to start and chose to go to Buffalo and be a back up.
On a side note, you look more foolish than clever calling Frye #9. 
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I thought it was STUPID to trade for Dilfer and let Holcomb walk cuz I thought Dilfer was worse.
You need to check your facts. They didn't let Holcomb walk, he was offered a contract to start and chose to go to Buffalo and be a back up.
On a side note, you look more foolish than clever calling Frye #9.
He didn't wanna stay because he heard the rumors of the Dilfer trade, felt slighted and left.
Yes he did take a backup job with Buffalo, but he felt disrespected by Savage.
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I am willing to give him time to complete the job he started.
I agree and just hope that both him and RAC are given enough time to prove themselves.
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He didn't wanna stay because he heard the rumors of the Dilfer trade, felt slighted and left.
Yes he did take a backup job with Buffalo, but he felt disrespected by Savage.
Really? I thought he was offered a contract, he balked and then Savage pulled it leaving him to go to Buffalo for less money.
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That's more in line with what happened. He wanted more than the contract would allow (I think guarantees where a big issue, but not sure about that), and Savage said so long and traded for Dilfer. Thus leaving KH to move on to the Bills for less money than he would have got here.
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I am not going to rehash all of this Vers, but there are a few points to bring out. 1. Dilfer was a stop gap brought in simular to other stop gap players. I think he gave up too much as well, but I don't think that warrants what you see as "butchering the QB situation. Dilfer was only meant to hold the fort down until CF was ready.............unfortuanatly CF still isn't ready...lol. 2. I hated the Fry pick on draft day, but I understood it. We had no young QB to develop behind Trent, and Fry (who was rated by most mocks as a late 1st-2nd round pick) was on the board when we picked in the 3rd.........so he took a gamble. Again, I didn't like the pick, and obviously the gamble hasn't paid off like he would have liked, but he was right to do it at that point in the draft. Charlie offered value and filled a need. I also don't think it was a wasted pick. CF is going to be a VERY good backup in this league, and we drafted him in the 3rd round...........right about where you get a very good backup QB. I don't understand how this in anyway butchers the QB situation, but rather adds to it...........we got somebody who is going to be a solid backup for us for the next few years............ala what Dilfer/Holcomb would have been had they been much younger and not out of the league in the next 2 years. 3. I'm not even going to touch the BQ stuff you said, becuase it's BS your pullling out of your hat to make your point. Those teams you mentioned minus miami weren't wanting a QB, and you know it. As for the rest of it it's BS bro not based on an ounce of fact. Oh and you can talk about "the gambling odds" and "national media" all you want bro, but they are predicting THIS YEAR..............yeah real easy to predict 5.5 games Vers when most of our core nucleus is entering year 1-3....lol. Phil had to clean up your boy Botch's mess, and start over because that team had no core of talent period............unlike us their best players where over 30 and on the downside..........not pups like this current team on the upside............because your boy couldn't draft for crap. This team has been rebuilt top to bottom, and imo is in year 3 of a 5 year trip to respectability. Of course they aren't going to win this year, but they are on the right track because of a good young core of talent..................something Botch and Carmen & Co. never did seem to assemble...............oh and Botch had 4 drafts to assemble anything resembling a core of talent and that team still didn't win more than 3 games his final year.................you want to bet we hit the over on that one????.......lol.........I know 8 wins is a stretch, but I'm feeling really good we'll win at least 4........come on man take me up on that one I got kids to put through college...lol. 
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Oh and I was one of the guys getting their asses handed to him by most of this board for saying the Leon pick wasn't a good one............don't try to put me in their with the Savage has done everything right crowd, becuase I've never been one of them. I just seem to have a fetish to dump on the guy at every turn the way you seem to at times. I can see that he's done more to improve this franchise than all of the former regimes since rebirth combined (not that that was really hard...lol). Your wanting instant results bro, and it isn't going to happen. We tried that under Botch and bought a team that went 9-7 and got booted in round 1 of the playoffs................then subsequently got cut because we where in salary cap hell. He's doing it the right way through the draft, and that takes time.........especially when you have nothing to start out with. Do you really want us to get back in salary cap hell for the facade of building something like we did in 02?? Not me bro, I am patient enough to give a guy 2 more years and to see what happens. Now if by next year we aren't showing any improvement (much like Botch's 4th year) in the win column then I'll be disappointed with Opie. However, I'm not going to and moan about not being competitive in year 3 of a COMPLETE rebuilding process.
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I thought this was a LBer thread?
Oh brother...I guess it's time somebody asks Vers..what should have been done in place of what was done?
Holcomb decided to go..or balked in the Browns offer and it ticked Phil off..so lets go that route..
Instead of trading the 4th rounder away what should have been done?
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It was. But, it sure isn't now. However, if you want to talk about the LBers, I remember way back when in this thread when I said something like that I thought it was crazy that the author said the LBers were going to have to play very well this year in order for the Browns to make a playoff run. I just don't think this team is ready to make a playoff run this year. I also said that while everyone was so excited about our LBers, I would actually like to see them stop the run. What were we against the run last year? Wasn't it 31st? I do know this.........LBers are responsible for stopping the run. So, I can't say that our LBers played very well. To the rest of you: I read your comments last night and couldn't even respond. It's like we are living in different worlds. Now, it's a bunch against one, so it would seem logical to conclude that I am the one who is whacked, but I bet if we polled writers, GMs, coaches, and fans across the country who are not Brown's fans, the tide would shift. Jesus, where to start w/this lunacy? Ahhh.........Diam.  You said the truth of it is that I'm mad at you? *L* Dude, you were the one who wouldn't reply to me and left in a huff because I said some derogatory things about BQ and said you didn't like black QBs. You've been slamming me ever since. I'm not mad at you at all. I'm a little disappointed that you could end a friendship over such nonsense, but I can't control how you feel.....so what's past is past. Daman: Quote:
I don't know about you Vers, but the 36th pick never bothered me too much.. It was giving up the 1st next year that had me thinking the price might have been too high. GIving up a 36th pick this year if we do indeed get a starting QB of quality is really pretty cheap when you think about.
Here is a sample of that bizarre logic again. Daman.......we gave up the # 36 AND next year's first round choice, which looks to be a top 5 pick. Some are saying it might be the first pick in the draft. Others are saying it will be the second. I don't know if I would go that far, but it's going to be a high pick.
A top 5 pick AND the # 36 pick on a team that is lacking in talent and has so many needs is a steep price to pay. BQ needs to stud out or we got ripped!
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Come on, it's common sense as to why these teams passed on Quinn, except for Miami. I think they'll regret it when their glorified punt returner can't run a good route.
I've read your rationalization dozens of times by various posters on this board and the other one. You guys can fool yourselves, but don't try and fool me. Okay?
Let me bring this up again: The rule..............You do not pass on a franchise QB if you do not have one.
It could be argued that Hassleback is a franchise QB and that Bulger is close to being one. However, it was NOT ME who said that BQ might be picked by those two teams.........it was the experts that studied the draft and watched BQ sliding down the board like a stripper on a greased pole. Bulger was not signed at the time and there was speculation that the Rams would go after a QB.
As far as the others go......you guys are full of crap. Every single one of those QBs has come under a lot of fire. There's an article out about how some of them won't last the season. Pennington might be an exception, but the Jets have been looking at QBs because the guy is fragile and no one knows how long that arm is going to hold up.
Look...........you can delude yourselves all you want, but the fact is that GMs did not draft BQ. If he was a "franchise QB" in their minds, that would not have happened. Now........all those GMs could be wrong, but it's obvious to anyone who wants to look at thing rationally, that the guys who do this for a living decided that Brady Quinn was NOT a franchise QB.
Some will say.......well, all we need is a solid QB. We don't need a franchise QB. The trouble w/that thinking is that we gave up the house to acquire this kid. All I know is that he better be a franchise QB, or we got screwed and Dallas will have Phil Savage's number on speed dial......*L*
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Dude, you are spinning w/the best of them and your post is so full of crap that I am not even going to take time breaking it down. But dude, don't question my character and call me bro in the same sentence. I'm not that stupid, man.
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When Roye went down we just didnt have anyone that could play strong side DE and Alvin McKinley sure didnt help much on the other side either. Big Ted aint what he used to be but the two ends sure didnt make it any easier on him either.
Robaire is a better run stuffer than Alvin (wish we had kept Michael Myers) he should make a difference the one thing I did like from Alvin was the fact that he got away with a lot of holds that helped Wimbley get free.
Wimbley I thought did a good job in rushing the passer and began to look alot better dropping into coverage but his run stuffing isnt there yet. He had that bit of hesitation that comes from not wanting to give up the big play instead of making the big play against the run. He will improve this year.
Leon Williams honestly the guy just seems to play at a different speed and with a gretaer intensity than anyone else on defense. I would like to see him take over for Dra and let Dra become that 3rd down linebacker. Dra is one of the better coverage linebackers out there especially considering his size, he just has a knack for sliding into passing lanes.
DQ has the best natural instincts of any linebacker on our roster. I also think he is special when it comes to play through traffic and believe me with our line there is always tons of traffic. made improvement in coverage but still has a ways to go.
Willie McGinnest didnt do much of anything last year to be honest. Maybe he just never was healthy.
Peek ? I dont know. He has the rush skills but I havent seen any real instincts out of him.
Chaun solid special teamer and can backup inside and outside well worth keeping.
Biggest thing that is gonna help or hurt our linebackers is simply the 3 guys up front
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