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I hope the kid gets good protection, and no stupid penalties to put him behind the chains.

This will be a good test for him. Hopefully the surrounding cast does their part, this way we can evaluate him properly.

Make it 3-0

Looks like Kizer is going to be playing in the rain tonight.

seems like its always raining there in august

ehh, close enough. ("Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.") I do like the reference, but my CDO kicked in. CDO is the same as OCD, except the letters are in the proper alphabetical order.

Kizer

Kiser

He just needs to show poise and not get raddled if he starts getting hit.

As long as he stands strong, and makes solid decisions, this will be a good step going into week one.

Penalties and drops are serious issues, and we have a problem with receivers getting separation. Beyond that, Kizer needs to be more accurate, and he needs to grow in his decision making (when to run, when to get down, and where to throw the ball), and he has to do all of that much more quickly. He has to get rid of the ball faster, and he needs to develop chemistry with his receivers. Then they have to perform.

Overall, I expect a lot of mistakes, and hope to see some progress. It'll take quite a while to develop a symbiotic relationship with the receivers, where they know when to get open and Kizer knows exactly where they're going to be. (Assuming he becomes a more accurate passer.) In the meantime, we'll need to be content with baby steps, and the occasional spectacular and/or real-QB-like moment while he grows into the position.

isnt he the youngest QB in the league?

I thought Kizer looked good at the things he does well (moving in the pocket, uncovering receivers with throws), but obviously needs work in certain areas (forcing throws, reading defenses, etc.).

I think is still the best QB on the roster by a mile.

Its not even close either.

You could see it when he is moving the team, he got in a rhythm and was nearly unstoppable.

He'll struggle at times, but he needs to get this experience now.

You state your opinions as if they were facts.

I think I read that somewhere before. LOL

I don't think anyone is willing to dispute he is the best QB on the roster. That doesn't mean he is good (or ready).

But you are right, I should clean up that statement.

At least you made that one sound like an opinion.

i thought Kizer looked ok. I think we should have been we be up 14-6 at half.

agree with all of this

I don't.

Physically he looked great.

Mentally he is still way behind.

I don't think I've seen him throw the ball to someone that wasn't the first read the entire pre-season.

His mechanics also broke down as he got tired.

He literally had all day in the pocket today and finished 6 of 18, 0 TD and 1 Int.

I still think starting him week 1 is a really bad decision.

do you think another QB is better? Just curious. I value your evaluation

I don't know, bro.

cfrs said "miles apart" and you agreed w/him. I don't think that is true, but it's just an opinion.

I don't have a clue if Brock can play well or not. I am not championing his cause. I just don't think he is as bad as guys like cfrs, YTown, and Diam make him out to be. I could be wrong........just my opinion.

I look at what he did in Denver and it wasn't bad. I listened to some posters say stuff about him and believed them.........but then I started watching videos of his games. I posted a bunch of them and frankly, I think people were making stuff up about him. His deep ball is way, way better than Kessler's.

I don't want to come across as a self-proclaimed expert, but I do have some experience w/working w/QBs and scouting players. I just am worried that Kizer isn't ready and that he will resort to some of the poor mechanics that troubled him at ND last year.

I am not saying that will be the case. I'm just worried about it. Big difference.

I don't think this team challenges for the playoffs no matter who they start at qb. I'd personally rather start Brock and give Kize some time to progress.

My bottom line is what is best for the Browns long-term and I would sit him for a bit and play Brock.

However...........just as I said on another thread.........none of us are there everyday like Hue and his staff are. They see them on the practice field and in meetings. I will respect their decision even if I disagree w/it and will certainly not use it as a platform to fire Hue should it fail.

thanks for the response. I'll add that I think Kizer has the ability to BE miles apart .. maybe not that he is right now.

I didnt watch brock much in Denver, only last year when he was very bad. His inaccuracy scares me. And he'gotten worse it seems in that area.

In terms of Kizer's development, I guess I'll just trust Hue (what else could I really do haha). I do have concerns that starting him this early will ruin him ... but I really also do believe he gives us the best chance to win. it's a weird spot. i really do just wish the other guys were a little better.

I am a staunch supporter of the "anti sitting" club. I don't feel that's the best way to get a QB experience and bring him along. I believe all sitting does is just delay all the mistakes they are going to make and you are essentially just delaying their clock as a starter. The league is consistently littered with first year starters, many that go on to be really good.

However, I think I agree with your post. I didn't get to the game until the second quarter, but went back and watched the highlights of the entire game. Kizer was all over the place. For as much potential that I think most agree he showed (you can actually envision him growing into something) he was rather awful tonight.

I'm not sure if starting him is a good idea or not. I just hope Hue knows what he's doing. I think Hue is an awful play caller. I hope he protects Kizer a little.

I agree with all of this. I am a learn by doing person.



I don't think he was good, but I don't think he was awful either. He played well in the pocket (again). The INT was a late decision, if he sees his guy a little earlier it should be a completion. I believe these are things he will be learning while playing. He also had a few dropped passes (hello Kenny Britt!). The incomplete throw that the receiver caught in the endzone, but was out of bounds, was beautiful. The throw to Corey Coleman down the sideline was even better. It was also nice to see him throw downfield, that is something two of our other QBs are not willing to do.

Kizer was also not helped by penalties on ST and the punt that was fielded at the 1. He seemed to start in his own endzone 2-3 times. He moved us out of trouble but eventually threw the pick (which was tipped) and on a second drive starting inside the 5 he damn near got us a TD on a 97 yard scoring drive had Duke not fumbled.

Numbers don't tell the whole story...it wasn't brilliant but, it also wasn't dreadful.

there's no doubt Kizer was up against it most of the night ... field position, weather. tougher defense, dropped passes, fumbles, penalties ... but I think that was GOOD. His numbers couldn't be good to be honest, but I still had the feel that he wasn't going to implode

I was originally, before preseason, firmly in the BO camp. But, now have moved completely to DK. Even with his rocky numbers he did more last night than the others. Well, Hogan won us the game and in doing so, probably secured his spot on the roster. But, I would start DK against Pitt over the others and I believe Hue will.

5 for the first 7 third downs. Shoulda been 6 for 7. BRITT.

Impressive. And most were 3rd and long.

I was rooting for Brock to take a step forward and secure the job, but he didn't do it.

Frankly Hogan looked the best out of all of them. Except for a rough stretch of about three passes, he looked great.

Kessler was downright awful, and should be the first cut at the cutdown.

Kizer looks the part, and while he had relatively few completions, they were mainly long completions that looked good, at key moments like third down. The turnover, inability to score, penalties, and ineffectiveness of Telfer on a couple plays gave us a look at what we can expect: a lot of mistakes and lack of chemistry punctuated by the occasional spectacular play sprinkled with moments of real-QB-like performance.

I don't know if Kizer's ready for Pittsburg or not, but he's as good as we've got right now. He might as well start getting valuable experience playing against the best. Same with our D. While very impressive against Tampa, they may be on course for a wake up call once the bullets start flying from Worthless & Co. Everyone might as well get tried by fire at the same time. Let them all grow together.

Two throws by Kizer last night that were really impressive. The "WOW!" throw he made to Coleman down the sideline while moving to his right reminded me of that one throw by Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs last year to keep a drive going. He put it right over the trailing DB's right shoulder into Coleman's hands. The other was the incomplete fade into the end zone where the WR could only get one foot down - Kizer dropped it right into the bucket. Those were two NFL throws. I'm sure there were more, but they stood out to me.

yeah that throw to coleman was one that I said "I don't know who else we've had since 99 could do that"

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



In all seriousness, Manziel could make that throw, but I get what you're saying.

I always go back to that one 30 yard missile that DA threw in the right seam to Joe J back in '07. It would have put a hole in Joe's chest if he hadn't caught it

j/c



:03 1st play. Under center 3 step. Sideline go route.

Looked like his drop back footwork/timing was off because it looked like he got to the top of his drop early and had to wait/hesitated before throwing it....I would have like to see him throw it deeper and keep it in the field of play.

:09 Gun. Sideline deep angle out/comeback. Timing of drop looked good 1-hitch and throw. Difficult throw that requires velocity, makes it look easy not muscling up or straining to make the throw. Deep comeback/sideline outs have been a Hue staple.

:23 Gun. Good drop, pump fake. Climbs the pocket. Nice sideline throw to Coleman on a go route. Dropped in the hole between the CB and the S, very well placed ball. These types of throws are what separates DK. Arm talent.

:51 Gun. Pump fake. (L) Sideline Go route. Still catchable but underthrown and tracking a little too close to the sideline. Would have liked to see him connect on this one, the day would have felt/been much different.

1:02 Gun. On time. On target Skinny post (R) slot dropped. C'mon Kenny!

1:15 Backed up inside the goal line. Under center PA rollout/busted play. Throw away.

1:27 Backed up inside the goal line. Gun. Catch and throw slant. On time, on target.

1:44 Under center. Bootleg (R). Good coverage. Throw towards the sideline out of bounds. If he throws it early in the roll out the receiver has a chance to make a catch.

Gotta go.....i'll finish later if anyone wants to discuss

YES. I watch Slo Mo.

JMO , but Kizer just looks like the real deal.

Not to say he is all the way there, but with a good OL, a QB who can keep defenses honest and from stacking the run, and hopefully better receiver play, he will continue to improve.

I saw quite a few plays that were just slightly off, as he gets more comfortable with the mental aspect those plays will become sucessful plays.

The biggest difference to me, of any QB we have had since 99 in he has the physical tools and a more solid team in front of him.

Totally agree! Just as it happened I said it looked like Aaron Rodgers style throws. The kind of throw where you think "He shouldn't have thrown that", but it's just so well done that it's a completion anyways. That's the type of moxy/accuracy you can't coach. Hopefully the rest will come with practice.

A lot of guys have the arm strength to make that throw.. what we haven't had was a guy with the vision to recognize that, while the guy was well covered, the defenders back was toward the ball so he could throw it anyway... All of the things you want a QB to do, put it in a tight window, throw the guy open.. that was it. Granted, it was ONE THROW.. but it was an impressive one throw.