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Did he want to be traded? IT? Last I heard he was hoping to be extended by Boston. I don't think there were even any rumblings of him looking forward to free agency.
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This kind of stuff is hard to take serious. Maybe they're Boston fans just trying to get views on YouTube or they're NY fans pretending to be Boston fans to make them look bad. Who knows.
More likely ESPN employees trying to drum up much needed web-clicks and give the talking heads something to talk about. 
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Did he want to be traded? Thomas had said that he wanted to play the rest of his career in Boston. He wasn't looking to be traded.
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Thanks guys. I guess then the fans there have no reason to burn his jersey. They can yell about the GM, but that is about it.
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Thanks guys. I guess then the fans there have no reason to burn his jersey. They can yell about the GM, but that is about it. They're Boston fans ... we should at least applaud them for knowing which jersey was Thomas's.
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I like Shump, but he sucked last season. Not sad.
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I guess the cavs told him, Dude, we've been trying...noone wants you..lol
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There is a conflicting report out there that says he hasn't requested a trade.
I don't think he sucked last year. He improved his 3 ball game. I've never been a big fan of his, but we're probably better w/him than w/out him.
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I dunno, Shump did improve from outside but sometimes when it mattered in the big games he didn't have it.
Then again, if the guys that were supposed to have it had it when they were supposed to (Irving and Love) maybe Shump wouldn't have needed it so much.
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Reminder: We made the NBA Finals!
The Browns won 1 game.
Not sure how reaching the Finals is such a "bad" thang.
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Reminder: We made the NBA Finals!
The Browns won 1 game.
Not sure how reaching the Finals is such a "bad" thang. I'm just talking about Shump in a Cavs thread dude. I'm well aware of how many games the Browns won. I'm happy we made the finals, but I certainly don't want to get there and just be happy we made it. I wanna win!
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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And I am just talking about keeping things real, dude.
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And I am just talking about keeping things real, dude. How am I not being real? Neither Irving nor Love played up to their potential in that series by any stretch. When is it going to be okay to criticize a Cavs player in your eyes no matter how poorly the Browns do?
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WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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They could look for a sweetener if his hip is worse then they thought.
Maybe the Celtics add another player, or add an additional pick to the deal.
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From what I have read if they don't like what the physical says the Cavs can void the deal.
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IMO this is a ploy by our FO to get more out of the deal ... and it might work. There are some concerns clearly
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IMO this is a ploy by our FO to get more out of the deal ... and it might work. There are some concerns clearly i mentioned this last week, he hasn't reported for his physical yet, and there were concerns about his hip..they should rightfully ask for more. They got kyrie for a journeyman and a question mark at this point
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There is a conflicting report out there that says he hasn't requested a trade.
I don't think he sucked last year. He improved his 3 ball game. I've never been a big fan of his, but we're probably better w/him than w/out him. first half of the year, absolutely, Shump was a different player, the second half, he fell out of rotation because they couldn't trust him and he was a huge liability on offense. Plus we just signed a more productive clone of him in Jae. He's expendable if he really is wanting out.
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What a disaster it would be for both teams if this trade fell through.
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What a disaster it would be for both teams if this trade fell through. Just heard on the radio that it seems likely it will fall through, unless Boston really ups the ante
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What a disaster it would be for both teams if this trade fell through. Just heard on the radio that it seems likely it will fall through, unless Boston really ups the ante If that's the case, then the Celtics won't be able to trade Isaiah Thomas to anyone and he'll be super pissed that he was traded. And the Cavs won't get nearly as much return for Kyrie Irving because everyone knows they have to get rid of him. Double oof.
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Rather than void Kyrie Irving trade, Cavaliers may push for more picksKurt Helin,NBC Sports 5 minutes ago The Cleveland Cavaliers want the Kyrie Irving trade with the Celtics to go forward — they got a big haul with Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and maybe the most important thing for them, the Brooklyn Nets pick in this upcoming draft. The Cavaliers also have concerns with Thomas’ hip and how it’s healing after Thomas came to Cleveland for a physical. But don’t expect the Cavs to just void the trade. They really want the Brooklyn pick. They could really use the wing defense Crowder brings. The more likely path for Cleveland is to re-open negotiations, according to multiple reports. The guy who broke the Thomas story, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, added this. Instead of voiding the deal, Cleveland could potentially push for Boston to sweeten it — namely for another draft pick. For now, those are conversations still potentially to be had. The two sides are reportedly going to talk Saturday. Adding compensation makes far more sense — just voiding the deal puts the Cavs back to square one in trying to trade Irving, and they don’t get the Brooklyn pick they covet. (Let alone the mess it would create for the Celtics, who would have Thomas back on their roster and he’s not happy). Of course, the question is what pick? I can’t see Boston surrendering the Lakers/Kings/Sixers pick that will be very high in the next two years (the Lakers pick in 2018 if it is 2-5; otherwise the better of the Kings/Sixers pick in 2019 unless it is No. 1, then the lesser of the two), or the 2019 Memphis first rounder (top eight protected). But one of their own picks? The Clippers 2019 or 2020 first rounder (lottery protected)? More likely, Boston has a series of second rounders. There are options. Voiding the deal is the move of last resort for the Cavaliers. It’s not off the table, but first the sides will talk. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/rather-void-kyrie-irving-trade-132816530.html
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I'd ask for maybe Smart or give back crowder and IT and take smart, Tatum and a different unprotected first
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What a disaster it would be for both teams if this trade fell through. Just heard on the radio that it seems likely it will fall through, unless Boston really ups the ante If that's the case, then the Celtics won't be able to trade Isaiah Thomas to anyone and he'll be super pissed that he was traded. And the Cavs won't get nearly as much return for Kyrie Irving because everyone knows they have to get rid of him. Double oof. While I agree the Cavs won't get nearly as much return elsewhere (since they took the best offer they got), I think Boston would be way more screwed than Cleveland. They'd get a pissed IT and Crowder back, and likely be unable to trade IT, unless someone is just looking for an expiring. Cleveland would just be back to square one with an unhappy Kyrie.
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I'm not NBA guy, so this might be a dumb question, but why couldn't the Cavs just void the deal and tell Irving "Here's the deal Kyrie: we can either stage a phony reconciliation and keep you until the time comes when we can trade you without getting bent over, or you can sit on the bench - or at home - for the next 2 years."?
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They could, but the problem with NBA is the players and union hold all the power. That would never fly
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They could, but the problem with NBA is the players and union hold all the power. That would never fly Not sure about that. Teams trade for albatross expiring deals all the time, and then pretty much tell the guy to not bother showing up. As long as we pay the contract, we could choose to sit him. The better question is, why would we want to do that? I'd still rather play a disgruntled Kyrie than D-Rose.
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I like Smart. He is another tough guy who can defend and rebound.
I would think about him and Jaylon Brown instead of IT. The only thing is that I heard that Boston thinks Tatum and Brown are their future.
So, who knows......
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The better question is, why would we want to do that? I'd still rather play a disgruntled Kyrie than D-Rose. My premise was based on the thought that Kyrie would serve his own interests by playing along with the "one big happy family" front in order to not damage his brand by being viewed as a malcontent, and also by not having the talk about him having to shake off two years of rust when he finally was a free agent. You would just have to convince him that you were prepared to play it either way, and that it was his call.
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I'd ask for maybe Smart or give back crowder and IT and take smart, Tatum and a different unprotected first My guess is that the same trade will stay intact, but the Cavs will get an extra pick or two (late firsts and/or second round).
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I'd ask for maybe Smart or give back crowder and IT and take smart, Tatum and a different unprotected first My guess is that the same trade will stay intact, but the Cavs will get an extra pick or two (late firsts and/or second round). That's my guess as well. They'll probably want them to thrown in their own first rounder, which will be at the back-end of the first.
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I'd ask for maybe Smart or give back crowder and IT and take smart, Tatum and a different unprotected first My guess is that the same trade will stay intact, but the Cavs will get an extra pick or two (late firsts and/or second round). That's my guess as well. They'll probably want them to thrown in their own first rounder, which will be at the back-end of the first. If the Cavs accept that, it turns the trade from a winner to a loser.
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If we can get another pick, great. But I do not think we void this deal.
Several reasons. Crowder is a solid piece. That unprotected pick (Brooklyn) could potentially be top 3 if not #1. That's huge regardless if Bron leaves.
If Bron does leave we get his cap space. Also, I'd seriously consider TRADING Thomas at the deadline since this is his contract year. We don't have his cap next year either. He'd be healthy by then and we could get something really good for him.
We'd have Love and Crowder. What we get for Thomas. A top 3 if not the #1 pick AND the ability to bring a big time name in FA. That would not be any rebuild.
Do the trade unless it looks like Thomas won't play AT ALL this year.
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We'd have Love and Crowder. What we get for Thomas. A top 3 if not the #1 pick AND the ability to bring a big time name in FA. That would not be any rebuild. What free agent is going to Cleveland if LeBron is gone? If the Cavs still had Love, Thompson, Shumpert, Crowder, and JR Smith, then I'm not sure they can afford a free agent under the cap. The move would be to trade Love and Crowder and go full rebuild.
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