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There has been some debate recently about Confederate statues and whether or not they should be featured in public places. That is a hard thing for me to comment on as I have no physical or cultural connection to the South.

Understand this though: give leftists an inch and they'll demand a mile. It's better to put your foot down now before they get completely out of control.

I'm actually somewhat shocked that things are moving this quickly. Once the Confederate statues have been disposed of, they will start coming after heroes of the United States of America, beloved religious symbols, and anything else you hold near and dear.

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/...-jesus-n2373209

Too Alienating: Catholic School Removes Statues Of The Virgin Mary And Jesus

So, statue hysteria is far from over. I mentioned how this has progressed in some areas of the country. Of course, the Confederates are in the crosshairs. Then, the Founding Fathers were said to be at risk of being put on the chopping block. Now, Catholic saints are on the target list. It doesn’t stop there. A Catholic school in California has removed statues of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ because it could be alienating and they so they can be more inclusive (via Fox News):



Yeah, that’s not the point: you removed statues of the Mary and baby Jesus. That’s not a Catholic thing; that’s a universal symbol of Christianity. This is just insane, and even non-Catholics are making that point (via Marin Independent Journal):


What are we doing here, people?

Sorry but this is nothing more than a hit piece by you on this board.

The religious school itself decided to take the statues down. Very few people complained about the statues, and all this shows was that the "catholic school" viewed itself as a business first, a religious place for learning second.

This isn't a liberal problem; that was a business who didn't want the cash flow taking a hit problem.

Stop your whining.

Give an inch and they'll demand a mile.

This school should have never removed the statues of the Virgin Mary and Jesus, even if only a few people complained. It is a Catholic school! What were they thinking?

They were thinking about money. Not morals.

So again, this isn't the liberals fault. You keep trying to place blame on the people who didn't even make the decision to remove it.

That's a fail on your part. Maybe the people you support should develop a backbone.

This Catholic school is likely under the misguided notion that if they just removed these statues, others will see that they are acting in good faith and they'll just be left alone. The reality is the far-left despises the very existence of Christianity and will just find some other way of attacking them.

Not to mention the fact that people send their children to these schools for a Christian education.

If I were paying for my kid to go there, I'd be taking my kid out of there.

Why?

If they're gonna remove statues now, next time they remove teachings.

Not supporting that.

So you're blaming people that did nothing? There were no protests. There was no outrage. So you wish to blame others for the actions of a Catholic School boards decision?

What does that have to do with the left? I'll tell you. Nothing!

I'm not so sure what it is that's complicated about statues of confederate generals and presidents. Let me speak in Trump language to help you understand.....

"They were losers! Losers aren't heroes. Losers don't deserve statues. Nobody should celebrate being a loser."

Now I'll say it in a way that people should actually speak. The south rising split our nation. They fought against the foundation of our nation that our forefathers built. They committed treason against the United States. You don't believe that?

Proclamation 179—Granting Full Pardon and Amnesty for the Offense of Treason Against the United States During the Late Civil War
December 25, 1868

Whereas the President of the United States has heretofore set forth several proclamations offering amnesty and pardon to persons who had been or were concerned in the late rebellion against the lawful authority of the Government of the United States, which proclamations were severally issued on the 8th day of December, 1863, on the 26th day of March, 1864, on the 29th day of May, 1865, on the 7th day of September, 1867, and on the 4th day of July, in the present year; and

Whereas the authority of the Federal Government having been reestablished in all the States and Territories within the jurisdiction of the United States, it is believed that such prudential reservations and exceptions as at the dates of said several proclamations were deemed necessary and proper may now be wisely and justly relinquished, and that an universal amnesty and pardon for participation in said rebellion extended to all who have borne any part therein will tend to secure permanent peace, order, and prosperity throughout the land, and to renew and fully restore confidence and fraternal feeling among the whole people, and their respect for and attachment to the National Government, designed by its patriotic founders for the general good:

Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally and without reservation, to all and to every person who, directly or indirectly, participated in the late insurrection or rebellion a full pardon and amnesty for the offense of treason against the United States or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof.

In testimony whereof I have signed these presents with my hand and have caused the seal of the United States to be hereunto affixed.

Done at the city of Washington, the 25th day of December, A. D. 1868, and of the Independence of the United States of America the ninety-third.

ANDREW JOHNSON.

By the President:

F. W. SEWARD,

Acting Secretary of State .

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=72360

These people fought for the enslavement of American people. They had to be pardoned for their treasonous ways.

Now allow me to explain something else. When you erect a statue of someone, you are celebrating that person. There's an opening ceremony or unveiling of those statues which raises their status and celebrates their accomplishments.

This has nothing to do with history. It's a celebration of their life. We learn about many people in our history classes and museums. Just because you're tired of seeing people celebrate a bunch of racist traders to our country doesn't have anything to do with trying to erase them from history.

We don't have statues of Hitler but we're not trying to erase the history of WW2. It's a weak excuse that doesn't hold water. The only thing the opposite view is trying to accomplish is to keep examples of celebration to a bunch of racist traders.

To me it seems the Patriotic thing to do is erase statues from the public eye that celebrates a bunch of treasonous racists. It's really that simple no matter what excuses and rhetoric you spew.

False narrative. 70% of this country identify as Christians, which means the majority of both ideologies identify as either Christian or some form of religion.

The fact that you and a ton of other conservatives attempt to make issues as Christian vs left situation is nothing more than fake news on your part.

Pit, all I said about the Confederate statues was that it was a hard thing for me to comment on because I don't have a physical or cultural connection to the south. That's it, so spare me the stuff about treason and racists and all that.

You make good points about how they fought the United States and lost. For that reason alone, the fact the statues are still there has always struck me as odd. If I have ever suggested otherwise, please show me where.

Some southerners use it as a source of pride as a representation of a free people and defending against northern aggression or an overbearing government or what have you. While shaky, who am I to tell them what statues they should erect in their towns? As I said, I have no physical, cultural, or emotional attachment to the south.

That is something for the various towns and institutions that house these statues to figure out for themselves. I don't particularly care either way.

However, as time goes by, you will see how the left will direct their fury at American-- not Confederate-- heroes. They will apply their crazy insane PC standards of 2017 to eras past, and will be able to demonize anybody who has ever stood for something they don't like.

It's nice for you to give me the information you have gathered from your crystal ball about the future. I live in the south. My family is from the south. There's nothing acceptable about continuing to publicly display racist culture on our nations streets. Nothing.

You're welcome. Keep the predictions in mind and when the far left starts targeting statues of the Founding Fathers or some other American heroes, remember where you heard it from. Actually Trump alluded to it briefly in one of his speeches but I'm not sure too many people paid much attention to it. It sounds ridiculous now but the argument will be here before you know it. Or maybe my prediction will be wrong, and the anarchist types will never go after statues of George Washington and such. We'll see.

About "racist culture" comment-- I'm pretty sure that's not why the Confederate statue defenders say they want to preserve the statues. Don't shoot the messenger here-- I am not a southerner and do not have a strong opinion about these statues-- but I'm pretty sure the argument has more to do with southern pride and living a lifestyle free of overbearing government, and honoring the hundreds of thousands of men who died in a terrible war, even if the motivations for that war were suspect.

Is that fair reasoning? I'm just wondering if you could accept that some people want to preserve their history for any reason other than they are a bunch of crazy racists. Like I said though, I don't live in the south. This is not an issue I care much about and obviously I haven't spent a great deal of time thinking about it or researching it. Maybe others can add to what I've said here. That's pretty much all I've got.

It is not hard for many of us to see where this is headed now is it. After all, it was predicted thousands of years ago.

For someone who claims they don't have a strong opinion on this topic, you sure are posting a lot about it.

That's not surprising. Same boat as your "I'm not gonna comment on the Russian investigation until it's done" rhetoric.

Theater cancels Gone With the Wind screening: Film 'insensitive'

http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/26/gone-with-the-wind-theater-canceled-screening/

Gone With the Wind is now gone from The Orpheum Theatre in Memphis, Tennessee. The theater’s board deemed the 1939 film “insensitive” to their larger audience after receiving “numerous comments” that stemmed from a screening on Aug. 11. As such, the title has been dropped from next year’s planned summer movie series.

“While title selections for the series are typically made in the spring of each year, the Orpheum has made this determination early in response to specific inquiries from patrons,” read a statement from The Orpheum Theatre Group. “The Orpheum appreciates feedback on its programming from all members of the mid-south community. The recent screening of Gone With the Wind at the Orpheum on Friday, August 11, 2017, generated numerous comments. The Orpheum carefully reviewed all of them.”

The statement continued, “As an organization whose stated mission is to ‘entertain, educate and enlighten the communities it serves,’ the Orpheum cannot show a film that is insensitive to a large segment of its local population.”

Gone With the Wind, which won eight Academy Awards, features life on a Southern plantation during the Civil War and Reconstruction periods. Over the years, the subject matter has proven to be quite divisive for perpetuating a sympathetic view of the South during this time.

As posted on the Orpheum’s Facebook page event for the August screening, one user called the film “racist.” Another remarked over news of the canceled screening, “slowly but surely, we will rid this community of all tributes to white supremacy.”

The Orpheum will be “announcing an exciting movie series in the spring of 2018 that will, as always, contain both classic films and more recent blockbusters.”

Te sensitive Left strikes again.

Let us know when you start burning books Pitt, there are people with years of experience to help you with that.

Must see film to join White Supremacy.

Like the nazis that you support marching in the streets cause "1st amendment"? They burned books.

Or the conservative "westboro baptism church" that was burning books?

Yes it was.

"Lawsy, lawsy, Mizz Scarlett... I don' know noting 'bout birthin' no babies..."


Good riddance.
It was a lousy novel, filled with unsympathetic characters. Made into a lousy movie with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Some things deserve to be left in the past.

You mean like your neo-nazi buddies you stick up for? Nah, they're too busy helping you make excuses why they're no worse than anybody else.

Exactly my point, they are still around to help you destroy and rewrite history. They will give you pointers on doing so and on book burning.

What are you talking about? I don't believe I've ever brought up the Confederate statues before this thread. And even this thread was about Catholic statues and the general concept of 'slippery slope fallacy' (which is often not a fallacy at all, but rather an accurate portrayal of how drastic political changes sometimes happen a small amount at a time.)

I used the Confederate statues as an example to segue into the topic above. I never would have imagined that saying it was hard for me to comment on the Confederate statues discussion because I don't have a physical or cultural connection to the south would be so controversial. Oh well.

edit: about the Russia investigation, luckily for me, the media all but stopped talking about it due to lack of any available evidence. So that's been nice. I mainly only hear about it these days when you bring it up.

More like my buddies here on DT, like you.
Tear down and burn what you don't like about American History.
Close the eyes of future generations to what got us here!

That means our Buddy will be here soon.

Amen!

*ahem*

Something seemed off about your post. I could have sworn you used to have a different viewpoint, but it was a topic that I don't think I participated in. For humor's sake, I typed confederate into the search feature and pulled this up:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...flag#Post969663


You've had an interesting change of views the last couple years but I'm not sure what to make of it. Maybe it is my ignorance in equating Confederate statues with the Confederate flag. Care to elaborate? It is a fascinating topic.

I don't think censorship is a good thing.

if he changed his stance, it's probably due to people perverting the meaning of the flag itself.

remember, the nazi symbol use to mean peace. now it's a symbol for white supremacy. when someone perverts the symbol/logo to mean something different than what it means for the individual, that symbol then becomes useless.

back when that discussion on the flag was relevant, people had a stance on what it meant to them. but have you noticed a lot of people who were in support on the confederate flag are now silent and/or opposed to it after the events that occurred after it?

you didn't, cause you're too busy trying to play "gotcha".

Except southerners like their rebel flag and dont really care what the rest of the country thinks. Just a couple years ago they built the largest confederate flag in the world. You can see it driving down I-75S in Florida. It's massive. I saw that and was like when did that happen? LOL

I'm not advocating censorship, but I will say this:

If this thing dies a natural death because it falls out of favor, I won't be standing nearby with a defibrulator.

More lies. The civil war will be taught in schools. There are museums. You don't need a statue in a park to learn history. that's just some weak, ignorant, BS excuse to have people who committed treason against our nation honored.

That doesn't make it right.

Sure it does. Dont like it? Too bad.

Not really. I am understanding enough to realize what that symbol means to so many. I am also smart enough to know that immortalizing confederate generals who committed treason against our nation is about as unpatriotic as it gets. People always talk about remembering our fallen soldiers. Right up until you start talking about the civil war. Then suddenly we should continue to honor those that killed them.

Some of us learn things over time. Some of us don't.

This is part of one of my posts from earlier in the thread.

I've done some reading since making that post, and I must confess that I did not know it has already happened!

There were protests last year to take down the "racist" Theodore Roosevelt statue. Teddy is one of the four men depicted on Mount Rushmore.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/o...-statue-protest

Quote selected for hysteria:

I love how people continue to uphold those who committed treason against our nation and that killed tens of thousands of our soldiers. Then they have some fake outrage over someone kneeling during the anthem.

Hypocrisy much?

Boohoo. Keep crying those gigantic hysterical liberal tears.

Come visit us in Georgia. We will wrap your whiny liberal ass in the confederate flag and shove you over the border to Alabama.

Come on down to Virginia cuz the Hogs is hungry!