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Osweiler will be the Browns starting Qb by week 5-6 at the latest.

I want Kizer to be the guy here, but he just isn't ready yet. Kizer locks on to one target, he doesn't turn his head, etc...these are things NFL defense coordinators will plan for...they will take away that 1st read and when they do Kizer is lost.

Say what you want about Osweiler, bur Osweiler WAS looking at 2 or 3 reads before throwing the ball. You would see him move his head...he wasn't locking on to just one guy like Kizer has.

The numbers don't tell the story with Brock..his one INT was off a battled ball(that even happens to Brady sometimes), he had two TD throws right on the money dropped by his receivers.

Fact is Brock actually looks at more then one target, and Brock has far better pocket awareness.

Kizer will be a better QB eventually, but he isn't better then Brock "right now" and im sorry but only in Cleveland would a coach start a rookie over a guy who has a playoff win, and 14-9 record as a starter.

You would win 3-4 more games with Brock at Qb this year vs Kizer. Kizer will make a lot of mistakes because thats what rookies do...throw INTS...

This will probably ruin Kizer.....we don't have the supporting cast here..and Kizer is so raw...he needs time to sit, and needs to pratice, and get reps in practice, and more work on his mechanics.

Hue Jackson is setting up Kizer to fail. I believe Osweiler never had a chance at starting anyways...Jackson was going to start Kizer regardless. This is why Kizer got more then twice the amount of throws then Brock did, and couldn't let Brock play against a bunch of bums that won;t make an NFL roster(Like the majority of Kizer's playing time) Else Brock would looks like a monster too.

Kizer won't last the season because of the things i mentioned, and he lacks elite pre-RG3 injury kinda speed to really run...he is going to need a lot of ice after the Steelers game...if he even survives the Steelers game that is....

I'll still watch the Steelers game because:

Face it, there is a chance Kizer could let them up, and with as many Qb picks we have whiffed on in the last 10+ years, were probably due by bum luck to hit on one, and maybe Kizer just might be lighting in a bottle...history doens't make those good odds for us, but the chance is there, and I hope i cna pull something off.

you gotta have faith, bro!!!

I wanted Kizer to sit for a while as well, but I disagree with some of the things you wrote in there. May just be a difference in observations.

I do remember in the Buccaneers game where DK locked on to a receiver in the middle of the field, but I also recall other plays where he maintained pocket presence and went through progressions.

Brock had an INT off a batted ball with receivers dropping some passes, but the very same can be said of Kizer in his last game against the Bucs.

I can't say for sure that you would win more games with either QB, but I don't think we were going to win the Super Bowl either way this year.

I think it's a mixed bag on whether Brock had a chance at starting. I think he began camp pretty much as the #2 with Kessler as the #1. Well, we all knew how that went. I think Osweiler had the opportunity to show that he was starter material, or at least make his case to be the starter this year, and he did not meet expectations. Then, I think the team started to explore the idea of trading him again.

I really wish he had shown enough to be the starter because I, like you, think that Kizer really needs time to develop good mechanical habits, which I see as his biggest downfall.

I think saying that Kizer won't last the season because he's not RG3 is actually a good reason to say that he WILL last the season.

I believe that Brock will be gone in the next 2 or 3 days.

I like it LOL...

Where? Who?...

...."trust me on this".

Personally I believe that Hue Jackson believes that Kizer gives us the best chance to win, now and later.

There should be no other reason in a coach's mind ever imo.

LOL...Good come back, but would you not agree that in 2016 Kessler exceeded most expectations?

Yes, I found it funny.

"Was he perfect...of course not. He locked in on WRs. Didn't make a read and go to the next option often enough."

I see that too. I think that the fruit is in the target numbers, so I think it is premature to judge our WR, until he can work threw his progressions and the game slows down for him.

This will improve and his familiarity with his other receivers will improve too.

Personally I've been more impressed with his presents and ability to work within the pocket, while still affording himself time to get a pass off, then I saw in his College tape, but yeah he needs to improve on locking on to his primary receiver, that will lead to a quick six points, the other way.

I'm tempering my excitement over Kizer because it's preseason. I know preseason play is a reliable indicator of regular season play, but this might be the first time it isn't.

Isn't it the opposite?

It's called sarcasm.

I think that we're going to eat a lot of this year's salary, and turn the remaining 3 years into a 1 year deal. He'll get a significant sighing bonus from us, and his new team will be on the hook for $5-6 million.

Could be that Indy, NY Jets, or Jacksonville takes a shot. Any number of other teams could decide that they want an experienced backup. All it takes is one team.

If we are planning on cutting on him (I don't know if we are), then trading him for nothing and eating most of his salary makes a ton of sense.

I get that both you and YTown hate the guy, but the Browns would probably be better off keeping him than cutting him or making a stupid trade.

I don't hate the guy, I just think he had the worst QB season I've ever seen last year. I don't think a player comes back from that (or was ever good to begin with). If that is your starting point, then cutting him or trading him for nothing makes a lot of sense.

Sorry, I don't believe you.

Hopefully, the defense will keep things manageable this year for Kizer and the offense to be competitive. I hope the Tampa game isn't any indication of what this year's passing game is going to be like.

I don't like Brock but he is the 2nd best we have and I don't believe Cody and Hogan are worth a practice squad slot. Plus Brock has been with Manning n brings experience to the qb room. We gotta pay him either way

Why would you name him after a restaurant chain based in the south? We used to eat there when we lived in Nashville. Now we sometimes do on the way back from visiting the outlaws in B'ham.

https://www.shoneys.com/

Right, but if we can save money for future years by saving $6 million on his contract, I'd do it.

Also, I am not so sure he's all that great in the QB room. He pouted in both Denver and Houston about being benched. His "ask the GM" comment several days ago came off as weird (to me).

(http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...s-and-osweiler/ & https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/repor...etting-benched/)

I don't know, I know that there is a market for backup QB's but at his price?

I really don't see anybody trading for him.

I think if teams have any interest, they will wait to see if he is cut first.

I don't hate anyone. I simply don't think that he's a good player, and I don't want him on my team. That's no more hate than if I said that BJ Bello isn't a very good player, and I don't want him on the team ... or if I said that I didn't think that Ladell Flemming or Alvin Hill are very good.

You think that Brock is a high quality player, and I don't. I am sure that you must have hated Kessler, then, by your own standards.

Point of fact: I think that Kessler has come perilously close to playing himself off the team. Does that mean that I now hate him too?

You, along w/a couple of others, have made things up about Brock. All of you have had had this obsession w/ripping the guy.

I don't think Brock is a "high quality player." I just wanted to keep an open mind about him and not listen to the hate that you and the others spewed.

What happened to purple for sarcasm? It made things so much easier. I read the referenced post and I thought it might be sarcasm, I wondered about typos and gave consideration that he might be serious.

I figured out that it was most likely sarcasm because I am familiar enough with CapCity. But it if was a dawgtalker I hadn't read as much as I have CapCity or if it one of those posters who tend to make me shake my head whenever I read what they post, then I Wouldn't have been able to figure it out.

Man I miss the purple font for sarcasm

Should your post have been in purple?

Sorry about that

Yeah true the question now is, who is going to be the backup for Shoney?

Perkins

There are multiple purples. The dark is very hard to read. The lighter/lavender purple is easy to read.

While he may not have been "handed" the job, I believe the plan from the beginning was for him to be the starter.

I do not believe there was a "fair" qb competition.

Neither of those comments mean that the FO and Hue are wrong to have handled it that way. I just hope they made the right decision and they better hope so, as well. Job security in the NFL isn't very stable.