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what comment was racist? explain.

and how is it not fair to classify them as losers?

did they not lose the war?

there you go lying again.

See my post on another thread. I'm done w/your hateful self.

blah blah blah, i asked you this:



i guess you got nothing, again? another lie, Trump.

This coming from a guy who doesn't believe in participation trophies?

What's up w/you trying to start fights w/me?

I'm simply standing up for the principals I believe in. I believe some of what you say upholds a double standard. You can like someone and not always agree with them.

In the past you have seemed to advocate that promoting the idea that losers deserve trophies is something you disagree with. They need to learn that there is a price for losing. I agree with you about that.

I see confederate statues and monuments as the highest form of a participation trophy. When someone has an honest disagreement with you, it isn't necessarily picking a fight. There's a difference.

After the American Civil War, no person involved with the Confederate States of America was tried for treason, though a number of leading Confederates (including Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee) were indicted. Those who had been indicted received a blanket amnesty issued by President Andrew Johnson as he left office in 1869.

President Johnson issued a general amnesty, and also, gave pardons to many individuals who engaged in rebellion.

Therefore, no Treason was committed.

If you want a reality check then look up William Mumford. He was found guilty of Treason for doing what you are calling for with tearing down statues and flags. He was hanged by the neck until dead for pulling down an American flag in New Orleans.

-Education is your friend.

Yeah, they were pardoned because they didn't do anything wrong. lmao

Cry as you must but American Law is The Law.

The only one really crying is you while you continue to support celebrating men responsible for killing tens of thousands of American soldiers. How patriotic of you.

Seek out an education, it will be your friend.

Keep on supporting those who killed our soldiers. Is that what your education taught you?

My education has taught me that what you have been spewing over the last week or so is emotionalism which has nothing to do with the Law or the Truth.

That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

You think our current group of Libs is stupid, just wait for the future group that you showed to come of age.

Get off my lawn!!!

Well said Mr. Kennedy, well said.

Published on Aug 18, 2017

IDIOT ALERT: ANTIFA TARGETS “RACIST” STATUE, BUT DOESN’T REALIZE WHAT IT REALLY STANDS FOR
This week, America seems to consist mostly of throngs of angry people all trying to get away with as much as they possibly can. It started over the weekend in Charlottesville, and the result was three dead and many more injured. It hasn’t ended yet since some of the offended parties seem bound and determined to take down every historical monument that offends them.

I’m talking, of course, about the ticked off ANTIFA and BLM groups who responded to the neo-Nazis who were out in force. All were flaunting their own brand of racism, and all were, of course, at odds. However, while we haven’t heard any more from the KKK types, the BLM and their supporters have kept the division alive by doubling their efforts to change the landscape of America today.

ANTIFA protesters who consider themselves abused by American history have decided that they’d like to wipe it away completely by taking down every monument of a person who ever owned slaves. Unfortunately for their cause, they don’t seem to be too good at the researching, because a rally in one Atlanta park turned out to be a whole lot of barking up the wrong tree. The statue that they attempted to take down, and significantly damaged, was one that was supposed to encourage peace and healing. Talk about a giant “oops.”

Via Daily Wire:

Antifa protesters marched on Piedmont Park in Atlanta, Georgia this week, bent on destroying the “Confederate monument” they said was encouraging racism in their community. But it was only after they’d vandalized and spray-painted the statue that they realized it was a “peace monument” designed to encourage national healing in the wake of the Civil War.
Monday night, a crowd bearing signs that read “Defend C-ville” marched from one Atlanta park to another, demonstrating against the white supremacists who caused havoc in Charlottesville, North Carolina over the weekend.
Once they got to Piedmont Park, black-clad members of Antifa, attacked the statue, spraying it with paint, putting a chain around its neck, and attempting, unsuccessfully, to drag the giant statute off its base. When they realized they couldn’t topple the behemoth, they disbanded, but not before causing serious damage.
The Associated Press managed to capture the bold and courageous property damage as it happened.Unfortunately for Antifa, who were clearly to busy opposing fascism to read a plaque at the base of the monument (which is printed with the words, “Cease firing, peace is priceless,”) or do any basic Google research, what they thought was a pro-Confederate memorial turned out to be a monument to peace.
The statue, which depicts an angel guiding a Confederate soldier to lay down his arms, was erected in 1911, well after the Civil War, and a part of an organized effort in Atlanta to encourage peace and healing in the wake of a bloody and destructive era in the state’s history.

Your education is wrong. Confederate generals ARE responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of American soldiers. You know, the military you claim to respect? They did fight to defend slavery. You are supporting those that wish to continue to honor that. They were pardoned by president Andrew Jackson.

You can blather away all you like. That won't change those facts. That isn't emotion, it's truth.

http://fortune.com/2017/08/26/charlottesville-violence-leaked-chats/


Leaked Chats Show Charlottesville Marchers Were Planning for Violence

David Z. Morris

Aug 26, 2017

Well before a white nationalist “Unite the Right” demonstration turned deadly in Charlottesville this month, attendees were planning for violence, according to leaked online chats. In private chat channels, they shared advice on weaponry and tactics, including repeatedly broaching the idea of driving vehicles through opposition crowds. After the vehicular attack which killed counterprotestor Heather Heyer, users of the channel celebrated the event.

The discussions took place on a private channel created using Discord, a service primarily intended for gamers. Hundreds of screenshots of the exchanges were released this week by Unicorn Riot, a left-wing activist group, which said they were shared by an anonymous source. The records also included audio recordings of planning meetings.


While much of the discussion centered on flags, chants, and other forms of speech, the leaked exchanges also included advice on weapon construction. “You want something designed for longitudinal stress,” wrote one poster. “[Three] whacks and that thing is breaking.” Other topics included body armor and shield design.

Users also shared memes alluding to using vehicles against opponents.

There’s no indication that James Alex Fields, the driver of the car that killed Heyer and injured more than a dozen others, was part of the Discord discussion, but his act was celebrated and defended by users, including some who edited images of the carnage into memes that were intended to be humorous.

Organizers of the event told Wired that the leaked chats appeared authentic, but emphasized that they had repeatedly urged nonviolence. Nonetheless, a lawyer for two women injured in Charlottesville said that the leaked chats could form “the crux of the case” because they demonstrated a desire for violence.

The records could also have implications for future efforts to organize white supremacist events. While the First Amendment protects the right to speech and assembly for even the most heinous groups and ideas, it does not protect speech if it calls for and is likely to lead to “imminent lawless action.” According to legal experts speaking to Wired, signs of “preparation for illegal activity” could make it more likely that future events organized by related groups could be legally restricted.

Following the protest and attack, Discord suspended the group's private chat channel

Swish

Confederate Soldiers are no more treasonous traitors then the men who served under Washington in the Continental Army.

You need to stop judging these people on "modern concepts" The USA was not the country back then that it is today.

Everything was different. The States themselves had far more power then they do today. The Feds couldn't just order the states around back then, its was a completely different system.

Those Confederate Solders are every bit American Soilders as anyone else.

Shiloh National Military Park has every Confederate Grave there with an American Flag on it, and they are documented in Military records as being "American Soldiers"

there is even a section of Arlington National Cemetary set aside of the Confederates to be buried along with their Union brothers.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial

So please stop this utter BS your posting about the Confederates being traitors, they are hero that died for an American Cause they beleived in.

The Civil War itself was started over money and states rights, they just tossed in slavery as a way to keep Europe from getting involved(because the French were getting ready to help the South)

Read Abraham Lincolns Ingratiation Address, he had ZERO intentions of free any of the slaves, and had the South chosen to just chill...the Black may not have gotten freed until the 1900's

of course they never teach this school history books, as that would not paint Lincoln in a fair light



keep believing the lie that the Civil War was started over slavery when even Lincoln himself said this was not the case.



Follow the money, or keep believing that slavery was the only reason they fought. Politicians fight over money....and thats what the Civil War was caused by...the South didn't want to pay ridiclious amounts of tax money...so the rich people down south got people who supported their view and decided to fight back, and thats history.

Yeah, if I was facing a bunch of racists carrying shields, guns, clubs and torches, I'd be preparing for violence too. Only I would have been much better armed.

Come down here causing trouble and you had better be.

Confederate soldiers were traitors.

Also.

https://youtu.be/pcy7qV-BGF4

Here's a military historian explaining the civil war.

Just stop already.

Heres to the day a persons race no longer matters how they are treated.

I hope that day comes in my lifetime.

All people got better things to do then hate someone based on their skin color or nationality...we all bleed, eat, and drink the same...why hate each other...its so silly when we really think about it.

I'm sure nobody is scared of BS. You guys lost the war because you can't back up the BS you're spouting. Now act like losers are supposed to and admit you lost to the north.

no I am not going to stop. That guy is feeding you line of government BS.

The main grievance of the Southern states was tariffs. Although slavery was a factor at the outset of the Civil War, it was not the sole or even primary cause. The Tariff of 1828, called the Tariff of Abominations in the South, was the primary cause.

I find it funny.

EVEN ABRAHAM LINCOLN HIMSELF SAID THE WAR WAS NOT CAUSED BY SLAVERY

"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861

So i guess that "Military Historian" knows more about what caused the Civil War then the Abraham Lincoln the sitting president at the time? Come on. That's penned in the Congressional Records.

If you look at the Pro-Tarrif campaigns the Republicans ran leading up to the Presidential election, there was signs then that South was going to do something if the pro-tarrif Republicans won the elections. As soon as Lincoln won and planned to continue Morrill Tariff Act along with the Tariff of Abominations that crippled the Souths economy while they saw all that tariff money being used in the north to build railroads and benefit Lincolns Wall street industry supporters that got him elected.

Its sad they don't teach these facts in school, and that military historian obviously hasn't been taught these facts either..they just run with slavery bit as a good story to feed to school kids.

Liberals strive to be ignorant. Dont burst their fragile bubble,

So apparently you didn't see what he guy said about Lincoln and his stance.

Confederate soldiers were traitors, losers, and not white supremacist.

Period. Feed your crap to someone else like Eve.

As long as you're willing to be honest about a few things I think we can continue here. It is true that slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war. I can most certainly agree with that. But let's not downplay its importance.

The manufacturing took place in the north. The south simply didn't have the infrastructure needed for a strong manufacturing base. Their economy depended upon slave labor to be strong. Without slavery, be the idea right or wrong, they felt their entire economy would collapse.

Now you can minimize that any way you wish, but to insinuate that slavery wasn't a major contributor to the civil war is either dishonest or disingenuous.

Andrew Johnson did pardon them of treason which I've posted the link to several times.

I find it very funny how they do every evil thing they do under the banner of "No Hate".

Even Antifa, before they bust your skull with an ax handle carry signs saying "No Hate".

Yeah, blame the people that didn't resort to running over people and killing one with a car. Those good people.

Hell? ..... No thanks.

Agreed. I am willing to be honest. Yes slavery did have a part, it just wasn't what caused the conflict initially.

We know that slavery was actually on the wane at this time. Slaves visiting England were free according to the courts in 1569. France, Russia, Spain and Portugal had outlawed slavery.

Slavery had been abolished everywhere in the British Empire 27 years earlier thanks to William Wilberforce. In the United States, the transport of slaves had been outlawed 53 years earlier by Thomas Jefferson in the Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves (1807) and the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act in England (1807). Slavery was a dying and repugnant institution.

At this point the South already knew that slavery was a dying thing.

The Tariff of 1828, called the Tariff of Abominations in the South, was the worst exploitation. It passed Congress 105 to 94 but lost among Southern congressmen 50 to 3. The South argued that favoring some industries over others was unconstitutional.

The country experienced a period of lower tariffs and vibrant economic growth from 1846 to 1857. Then a bank failure caused the Panic of 1857. Congress used this situation to begin discussing a new tariff act, later called the Morrill Tariff of 1861. However, those debates were met with such Southern hostility that the South seceded before the act was passed.

The Southern Reps and Senators literally resigned the minute they knew the Morill Tariff Act was going to pass. The South had been taxed in to oblivion by Tariff after tariff, after tariff, they couldn't take anymore. Thats why the Southern Congressmen said "Screw it you pass that Morill Tariff were done" and that's exactly what they did.

of course starting a civil war over tarifs and taxes doesn't look as romantic to the books as the war being started over just merely slavery.

I am not saying slavery wasn't part of it, because it was a part of it, just not the primary driving factor, money was just like any other war. Slavery is an abhorrent practice, no one deserves to be a slave. I am glad that was done away with.

I am just saying look at the bigger picture. There was no min wage laws back then, slaves or not, the south could simply pay someone 1 cent per week to work, its not a big deal..when you got Tarifs like a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States which is what happened under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861...your talking about some pretty big time money....

They could work around the salve thing, but no way they could work around tariffs like that.....

Slavery became a really big rallying cry for both sides..the Union wanted to morally right and end it, and the Confederates wanted to stay superior over someone else, all the while though, rich people on both sides relaly knew what the war was all about...money and lots of it, and they got loads of poor people on both sides to buy in....just like every other war.

And although slavery certainly wasn't the only reason, it doesn't lessen it one bit. And I think you'll have to admit that this is the single issue about the civil war that impacts our nations people.

I believe, as with anything, what impacts your life the most, what people see as morally abhorrent, is what will stick out in their minds the most. That's why this is the single biggest issue on the minds of most people about the Civil war. Almost one hundred and fifty years later, I don't think what the south paid in taxes seems all that important in the grand scheme of things.

While we both realize that was a big part of it, slavery was probably the worst thing about it from the long term, human aspect.

These vids just make me angry.
I'm supposed to laugh at them, but I'm too appalled.

Are those real? I find it hard to believe that many people are that stupid.