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You keep forgetting that the FO is perfect and anyone who leaves in FA is evil and stinks.

LOL...........and then they get on mac for being one-sided and repetitive.

Why? How? Not only are we having an imaginary discussion based on what Pryor may or may not do.... we've got to factor into the equation what it means.

What good does it do the Browns to sign Pryor to a 1 year deal where he plays great - and instead of a 4 win season we go 6-12 or wow, lets say Pryor alone can make us a 3 win better team this year.

What happens then when he wants EVEN more money than he was widely reported to wanted this year. Oh and now he's 30. . . and chances are good he will then be playing for a different team? How's does that help the team?

Sure we can say sign him at any cost - pay him $20 mill a year. Whatever he wants. That's easy to say. Stupid to do with a 30 year old WR. . . Assuming he lights it up and is a top 5 WR this year.

Show me ANYWHERE where ANYONE said that?

Nope. Not going to argue w/you.



I'm not stupid and I know what's going on here.

Nothing's going on here. You made a statement that is complete exaggeration of what goes on in the 'Front Office' thread. I don't read it enough to know if there are people who are genuinely and generally blind to any mistakes the FO makes .... but I don't believe anyone thinks they are without mistakes. Schwartz is probably the best example of a mistake they made.

Pryor is not the same as RS - and it's no-one's fault Pryor is not here. I have not seen anyone blame Pryor or vilify him ... I think he made a huge mistake, but he needs to make what he thinks is in his own personal best interest. . . with that said when Mac writes that the Browns kicked him to the kerb and he was surplus and they wanted Britt more than Pryor .... it's simply not true. To my knowledge and memory Britt got a very similar contract to the one Pryor turned down. Definately not more and I believe less.

So let's be real about it. I know it's easy to get cheesed of with the conversation that NEVER stops and never changes. But that doesn't mean there's 'something going on'. jmo

That's not why people give mac a hard time.

mac is very repetitive for me now.

He plays the fence so he can say he wasn't wrong.

Pryor better have a fantastic year. Look who he has throwing the ball to him.

If Pryor doesn't hit, at a MINIMUM, the numbers he had with the Browns, well........

So your story is that the FO wasted 4th and 5th round picks that haven't turned into first round picks in one year. Gotcha!

Pryor is a Me first guy...good ridence I say.

It sure looks like the Browns front office is getting close to "panic mode", trying to upgrade the WR unit they put together for the 2017 season.

The Browns front office is 100% responsible for the WR talent on this team. Given the fact that Sashi and the analytics boys have had two years to draft, develop and sign the best WR talent available..yet Sashi is still searching for help, at this late date? How can that be?

The Browns front office and analytics team didn't do a very good job of judging WR talent and that is the core issue.

I realize that many have a hard time admitting that the GM and analytics team could ever misjudge talent...but they did and it might be Kizer who is affected the most.

Cory Coleman is the lone bright spot at the WR position so far in pre-season. Hopefully Britt's play will improve and he can work his way out of the slump he is in.




Browns have some interest in Seahawks WR Jermaine Kearse


Updated on August 31, 2017 at 1:37 PMPosted on August 31, 2017 at 1:35 PM
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns need receiver help, and are interested in Seahawks wide receiver Jermaine Kearse, a source told cleveland.com.

Kearse, 27, is on the trading block, according to ESPN's Diane Russini, and are trying to deal him before Saturday's roster trim from 90 to 53.

Kearse (6-1, 207) is just one of a number receivers the Browns are considering.

One of Russell Wilson's favorite targets since he was signed by the Seahawks as an undrafted free agent out of 2012, Kearse had a disappointing year in 2016 after signing a three-year contract worth $13.5 million, including a $5.5 million signing bonus.

The figures were down from his previous year, when he caught 49 passes fro 685 yards and 5 TDs.

The emergence of some younger, less expensive receivers has made Kearse expendable. The Seahawks would like to get something in return if they choose not to play him his $5 million base salary in 2018.

This year, he's making $2.2 million in base pay.

Kearse, who caught the gamewinning touchdown passes in two NFC title games that put Seattle in the Super Bowl, earned coach Pete Carroll's praise after catching a 39-yard pass in the Seahawks' 26-13 preseason victory over the Chiefs Friday nigh



"Yeah, he looked good tonight,'' Carroll said, via The Seattle Times. "He did a really good job. I thought the catch over the shoulder was a great throw, but it was better how he set it up and kind of lulled the guy to sleep, and then separated to make the catch right at the last moment. A really classy catch. He's been playing really great. He had a good game last week, too."

The Browns are in the market for receiver help to complement Corey Coleman, who's been the only consistent playmaker in camp.

Veteran receiver Kenny Britt, who signed a four-year, $32.5 million free agent deal in the offseason to replace Terrelle Pryor, has yet to make the big plays the Browns are expecting out of him. Against the Saints, he failed to get his second foot down in the end zone, and against the Bucs Saturday night in the dress rehearsal game, he dropped a pass from DeShone Kizer at the Browns' 5.

Afterwards, Jackson said, "We got to catch that ball down there, which I think would have led to hopefully a score."

The Browns have passed up other chances to sign veteran receivers this season, including former first-rounder Jeremy Maclin, who signed with the Ravens. If they don't land Kearse, they'll continue to look for receiver help in trades or on the transaction wire.

They are 100% responsible. It seems that unlike you, I like more of their decisions than I dislike. But it does appear to me that some posters ignore the mistakes they do make. And every FO and coaching staff makes mistakes.

Drafting four WR's in a very weak WR class was a mistake. I do however take into account that it was the first year most in this FO actually held their respective positions. I expected some growing pains. As such I saw some.

I liked their second draft much better. I see them cutting down on their mistakes. I see what I perceive to this point as improvement. I'll take it!

Pit - I agree with you. No front office is perfect. This FO has made mistakes but I think all in all they have been right more than they have been wrong.

mac - what part of trying to improve the team screams "panic mode"?
If we trade a 1st for him then I will agree with you. But looking at all available players to weigh cost of obtaining them vs their value to the team is what a good FO does.

Just what I gathered by your consistent posting against the FO. I could be wrong though.

And hey, I'm not real happy with what they've done over the past couple of days myself.

On what caused his release: "I think it was my contract. I think they wanted me to take — actually, I don't think, they wanted me to take a pay cut. And I wasn't trying to take a pay cut."

then there is this quote by Haden ^^^ might have something to do with it...just maybe brother

I don't see any issue with our front office getting "tough contracts" done. They offered these players more than market value contracts and the players and their agents declined. I mean it's that simple. I'm 100% behind not overpaying players to play here. It seems like those are the contracts we've had in the past and we haven't won diddly poo.


The funniest comment I read browsing through posts on here is that our front office is cheap and that no one can deny that because they haven't spent any money.


I don't understand where people come up with this stuff.

How about this, why not let the front office do their job and see this through. Winning a Super Bowl wasn't in their plans last year, it's probably not in their plans this year... but I can already see how this plays out... We are building our "base" franchise and we will eventually get to spending money on key free agents. I think they've even said that's their plan... When we do spend the money, those said posters are going to come out and say see I told you so. The problem is we could spend the money today and lose and those same posters will say these guys don't know what they are doing. I guess there's no pleasing everyone.

We are in the midst of rebuilding (again, and I hate using that term), I'm not sure why that's hard for some fans to see.

The front office tried to keep Schwartz, Pryor, and Haden, but they chose not to be apart of what they're building in Cleveland. Plain and simple.

Quit getting your panties in a bunch. Last time I checked the term "it seems" isn't a claim, it's a perception someone arrives at.

For the record you've started about 10 different negative FO threads and continue to bump them up on a regular basis so quit acting like a victim here.

Quit your whining. How many different whiny FO threads have you made and kept bumping up now?

Everybody knows your MO mac.

3652

j/c

Wrote this in another thread and figure it should be here.

I like the FO with most of their moves. I think their ability to offer contracts to players that gauge and value a player have been extraordinary. . . RS and Pryor both left - and it hurt our team and we can debate whether we should have 'overpaid' for them to keep them .... what we can't do is deny that in both cases the FO did a somewhat amazing job of rating the contract value the players were "due" based on the NFL.

The FO ability to get players that help the team AND compile and stockpile draft picks is outstanding. Someone with more time than me needs to sort through the Carson Wentz trade last year and factor in who we have on our roster that all came from the #2 pick last year. And then add into that the #1 pick we have next year too. . . . About week 5 or 6 when Kizer is struggling against a brutal opening schedule and Wentz is looking good - I am sure that topic will be reviewed !!

Compared to previous drafts I think the FO has made some good picks. Last year's defensive mid round picks look good. Coleman looks like he might become the WR we thought he was when we drafted him .... Garrett and Peppers and Kizer all *appear* to be solid selections. Everyone probably sees the potential in Njoku.

BUT BUT BUT - I do not believe the FO is head and shoulders above every other NFL team in evaluating talent in all rounds of the draft and in finding gems in the 5-6-7 rounds. Keeping EVERY player you select says you think you were right on every selection ... TWO YEARS IN A ROW ... that is not probable and based on the history of the NFL and all the other teams I doubt if it's even possible... unless of course you are arrogant and egotistical. That's a really big red flag for me despite all the other good things I have seen and could easily undo all the other good work done. jm 2 cents.

I think that you are not being honest in your evaluation of the FO and their 5-7 round selections.

Gone from the 2016 class are;
Payton
Caldwell
Scooby

Not the case this year.

Who do you think we kept that should have been cut of this years late selections?

Gonzalez
Dayes
???

I see your point, and will digest it before deciding if I agree or disagree. But I would point out that, for the 7th round at least, they are looking pretty solid; Dayes, Gonzalez, and a trade down that netted Taylor. The only flaw was Scooby (who I thought was a reasonable shot at lightning in a bottle.)

You know those are good picks - and I get that Payton and Caldwell are now gone. . . Still we have an enormous number of players from our last 2 drafts - a much much higher % than the rest of the NFL. And while we needed to cut out the dead wood and start over, I still think our % of drafted players kept smacks doesn't sit right. . . If they come through I will be delighted. But I do not have a high expectation.

This defense is coming together nicely.. FO has done a hell of a job.

Offensively, we are a WR or two away from being a problem.

j/c:

So, the FO trades for Pryor, who was said to have attitude problems in NY for Davis, who was nothing but class and not a peep from the homers. Nah, y'all don't have agendas. LOL

Pryor never really caught on here in the first place, in part because of the circumstances of the trade. Sources say the defensive coaches were miffed that the Browns traded away Davis, their starting middle linebacker, who was like the quarterback of the defense.

So if Pryor was out of line on Thursday during the altercation, he probably wasn't going to get the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

If they end up missing on the late rounders, big deal. There's WRs coming out every year.

People get way too worked up about this stuff.

I didn't have a problem with the trade at the time because we have a weakness at Safety and Davis didn't really fit the type of MLB that Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams likes. Williams likes guys with some speed and quickness to them not pluggers like Davis. Alas it didn't work out but I'm not gonna cry over it as no front office is going to hit on every trade.

Davis was a decent run stuffer and an asset to the locker room. He was not a building block, ordinary lb.
Pryor was given a chance but wasn't impactful in spite of a suspect safety group.
Like Joe T. said, when your boss tells you to do something....

Y'all excuse away every bad move they make. But, the bottom line is that the trade was not a good one for the Browns.

Your right it didn't turn out to be a very good trade but like I said, no front office is going to hit on everything they do. Heck look at New England, even their great franchise missed on the Kony Ealy trade.

I agree w/that.

We traded a guy that we were gonna cut for a guy that we eventually cut?

You wanna talk about the Greco move, I'll be right there with you.

Acting like we lost something with Erving or Davis though is a stretch.

Gotta agree with you here.

Hoping the FO is gonna do all you want them to do is a stretch. Just gotta hope they make more right/more significant right moves than the rest of the league's FO's.



Demario Davis probably wasn't going to make this team. Calvin Pryor barely made the team.

It's not exactly a big loss. The guy was a backup who made the team because Reynolds and that other guy got hurt.

I'm not excited about Nacua, but hopefully we won't see much of him this year.