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That was funny.

I am very happy with the pick. The guy just wasn't very good. If we are going to play a lineman who gets beat like a drum, might as well be a young player who has potential upside.

That is where Erving was the last couple of years. We finally gave up on the idea he has upside.

It is said to be conditional. What those conditions are, I don't know.

Well he won't be on the 53 man roster now. lol

I believe the gas mask incident was with LT Tunsil whom Miami drafted..Collins incident was his girlfriend or ex, was murdered.

It is not conditional.

I don't think this is true.

The above statement by Versatile Dog is not true. All but three fifth round picks from the 2016 draft are still on the teams that drafted them (Kevin Hogan, Marqui Christian, and Fahn Cooper are not on the teams that drafted them).

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If someone with more time on their hands would like to continue this exercise, here is a link to every fifth round pick from 1920 to 2015:

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Way to much science in that. Moving on.

Thank you for the correction.

I will re-post my entire post, so the gist of it does not get lost due to one single line that you chose to pick on. My post was in response to posters saying they were shocked that we got a 5th round choice for Erving.



I hope that clarifies my position on the matter.

Well, I'd argue that with our history of drafting, ANY pick probably isn't all that useful... :-p

I think calling him versatile is being EXTREMELY generous. In order to be a versatile member of the Oline, you have to play at least 2 positions respectably, and I don't think he did that. Can he eventually do that... there's a slight possibility. The best he did was when he was lined up at RT, and I believe he got injured both games he did that...

Basically, the only thing Erving had going for him was some remaining potential. The moment you start calling him a versatile backup, he has to have shown some sort of basic competence in order to make that true.

Much of the premise of your post is that fifth round picks are not likely make the team anyway, so getting a fifth round pick back [for a horrible player] is not a good deal. Fifth round picks almost always make the team, so getting one for a player that we didn't want is a good deal. Fifth round picks can turn into versatile backups.



Erving wasn't going to make the team. Our fifth round pick, Roderick Johnson, was going to make the team over him. Also, our fifth round pick from last year, Spencer Drango, has played tackle previously. I think both of those players were more likely to play than Erving if Shon Coleman got (gets?) hurt.

I know that Johnson has been bad in camp. I don't think he is good either (at this point). Is it possible he just got killed going against Myles Garrett a ton?

Not related to this post.

In related news, the Lions traded their former first round offensive linemen for a fifth round pick:



https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/903291582828380160

Look cfrs, I am not going to argue w/you despite your attempts to start one. I won't PM you either and cry that you called me a liar.

I know what the premise of my post was. It was: that I am not all that shocked we received a 5th round pick for him and that it might have been better to keep him.

Now, you can call me a liar and that is your right. But, it is my right to tell people what my "premise" is and that I not lying about anything.

Cool. We disagree. I don't think it would have been better if we kept him.

lol, daman!

I did see it parenthetically, though I'm not sure which site.

All the better if it is not.

I was shocked we got anything for him.... The guy was not going to pan out for us... Maybe a change of scenery will be good for him....

+1, Greco can play center, guard...? tackle, in a pinch...he is our insurance, all bets are off as usual IF we lose players like we did last year.....GO Browns!!!!

FWIW, I think Greco was a lock to make the 53 regardless of how Bitonio was hurt or healing. He's a darn good interior OL.

I hope we keep Reiter as asking Greco to also be the b/u C is asking too much IMO. We should have a backup C who is truly a C...not a G who can play C. If said b/u C can also play G if needed then all the better.

I want a true C taking 2nd team reps at C and playing on the scout team throughout the year.

I kinda see it a different way. Joel has been injured quite a bit lately, so I think you need to give extra backup consideration to the guard position. Also, I believe all of our centers have very recent injury issues, warranting extra backup consideration there as well.

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I certainly don't disagree. I'm thinking Greco, Drango as the bakcup Gs and Reiter as the C.

Rod Johnson is expected to miss a significant amount of time due to injury. Glad we got a 5th for Cam. What a steal.

Looks like the Browns will be hitting the waiver wire for a tackle.

Oh my, is the agenda seething with this little nugget.

That Joe Haden comment reference is timely as well.








And there is plenty more where that came from. So now it's a bad idea to have traded Erving because a "lawyer" made the call? Agenda posting at it's finest, folks.

The Browns, led by a lawyer, can't seem to get out of their own way when it comes to making personnel decisions. Cam sucked as a starter, but could play tackle, guard, and center. That's depth.

Coleman has a history of injuries and we're not even sure if he how good he is. He seemed to commit a lot of penalties during the preseason.

We also cut Greco who could play multiple positions.

Who are our backup tackles now?

People can make this personal like Memphis just did, but that isn't going to change the issues that the Browns created on the OL.

Oh, and I am not going to respond to the obvious personal attacks that Memphis and others will continue to make. They start this and somehow I end up getting suspended. So, I am not "dodging" their attacks. I'm ignoring them so I won't get suspended again.

However, I will continue to point out the issues that I feel are negatively impacting this team.

The 5 rules of dodgeball: dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge.

Agreed.

I make a post about the OL lacking depth and another poster dodges that information and dives straight into a personal attack, which effectively dodges the point.

Thanks for having my back, Rish!

Now YOU are the victim?

Que the kinder, gentler Vers who will awkwardly praise the few posters he's not yet offended and tell them how great their posts are...even if their post simply states that today is Saturday. Agenda building at its finest.

Today's roster appears to be the best one we've had in at least a decade...even longer when you consider the youth of this roster vs the age of the last truly decent roster.

Too bad our FO hasn't been this "bad" STR.

While we agree on some things and disagree on others it wasn't your back I had. You knew that, right? If you did know that then it was a well played post and the joke is on me. But lately I can't tell. You're a bit all over the place. You really sink your teeth into an idea and don't let go. It's a bit mac-like. Some of the moves are disappointing, Greco mainly, but the Sashi lawyer narrative is a bit premature, IMO.

The hypocrisy is at it's highest in a long time this morning. Today will be a good day!

*** You are ignoring this user ***

Has anyone else noticed how often this guy responds to me? Weird.

I have not seen a reply about who our backup tackles are and what's going on w/the OL.

I see personal attacks. That's about it.

Like you say, Rish. It's Dodge Ball at its finest!

I'm not responding to you. Haven't in a long time. You aren't that important to me. I'm responding to your BS and hypocrisy...which you keep in ample supply.

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Oh, and just so the rest of the board knows. I am going to continue to post the ignore thing each time this guy replies to me. While it may be annoying, it will show just how often this guy stalks me. I do apologize if he actually tries to talk football w/me, but my experience is that he only replies to me in an insulting manner.

I thought I saw Drango at tackle some against Chicago. Bitonio is also an option to kick out from G if needed. We do look thin, but Drango looks better than guys we've trotted out in the past like Oniel Cousins.

I find funny it when a team is coming off a 1 15 season and players get cut
People act the players getting released are some kind of elite difference makers
You were 1 15 for a reason
Sashi has the monumental task of cleaning up a mess left behind by Farmer Banner Heckert etc
Will he it get done who knows
But when you have 9 wins in 3 seasons previous there's more problems than solutions
Crying over mediocre players