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He actually predicted the the Browns going to the wild card and I think going 10-6.
Just insert the year and Eotab loved every front office
The Browns had at that time and he gushes over the coaching staff.
But back to football.
I see a team that has some talent on defense on all 3 levels better depth athletism
But offensively still in the bottom 5 of the NFL.
I think when Ben Rothisberger retires this team will show signs of progress.
But the Harvard boys and the lawyer have to basically cleanse a roster of 10 years of bad drafting and poor scouting choices

" I disagree. Britt? Britt might be a new face, but Britt caught everything that went his way in the pre-season, "

absurd comment !

I think Hue will be creative with DeValve and Njoku and use them outside as well.

David has been a disappointment. Not saying he's a bust, just I had a lot more expectations from him than what he displayed in preseason.

I hope Leslie gets a PS spot, I figured we'd have kept him.

I thought Njoku looked very soft and hesitant. He's definitely not close to being ready.

I think Njoku is still only 20. Can't expect a thing out of him this year.

And don't blame Eotab for being a fan. I slowly build up my hopes every year, too. Only to see them dashed, of course. This year, I am thinking we could have a top 15 defense thanks to Williams, a very good OL and a 1,200-yard rusher. Six or seven wins is not impossible, even as we develop a QB of the future. Please don't remind me of this post next year when we are on the clock as soon as the season ends.

Do we really only have 4 CB's? That's not enough, I don't think.

Yea , but we got Jose Ramirez !

I started/starting to realize this. Before camp, I had him slotted as the person with the most targets and preached him up big time. It's now clear he needs development time.

Dawg summed it up best, he's looked incredibly soft. His 6-4, 250'ish lb frame combined with the atheleticsm gives the staff a monster to work with though. Hopefully year two this kid is back on the radar.

He looked like a rookie. I expect he'll have his moments good and bad throughout the season.

Don't forget the "Duke" as well.

Here Here...

EO I agree on your opinion of Sashi, so what if he is a lawyer? Being a lawyer means to me that he has an advanced education and is an intelligent man. I would think this means he is someone who can learn from others who are around him. I think he has made some very good moves thus far be it drafting, FA and waiver pick ups. Will they all be the right moves probably not but the thought and effort to make us a winner is there. I also believe that Sashi is also smart enough to listen to others in the organization when a decision has to be made. That being said I'm sure the coaching staff and others in the FO are being consulted on these personnel moves. We may finally have some good people and a good system in place. JMO

j/c

It's obvious that everyone wants someone in the GM spot who has previously played football, as that will clearly give them an edge..

Oh, wait.. nevermind.

I understand wanting people with a football background in scouting. Your scouts help set the board. They tell you who is good and who isn't.

It's not like we don't have football people doing that. It's not like Brown and the other Harvard Boys or Lawyers are tossing that aside and selecting guys 140 slots out of position.

Ray Farmer. Football guy. Mike Holmgren, football guy. Dwight Clark, yep, a football guy. Butch, he was a football guy.

You just need the right person with a clear strategy. I think we might have that.

And we can toss the ego stuff aside. Football guys have long ego's. We just cut a few receivers after 1 year because they weren't working. 5th rounders to boot. Some act like they were 2nd rounders.


OK, big deal, they didn't work out, we moved on. Some act like we should still have 5th rounders as starting wide receivers. Bring back Darren Chiaverini. He was a 5th rounder.

I never understood the disdain that people hold for Sashi's education.

Lot's of snarky comments from many of the same people who made snarky comments when I questioned Savage, The Big Show, and Farmer. Now, most of you say all those guys sucked.

It never ends.

And I just love the genius argument that we shouldn't hire a football guy because our football guys have failed in the past.

It makes me wonder about your life decisions.

For example, if you have a poor attorney, do you hire a plumber the next time?

Bad luck w/a doctor? Hey, let's hire a car mechanic.

Don't like your dentist? Hire a tow truck driver.

Goodness!

I am not saying that Sashi can't succeed. I am saying that he lacks experience in evaluating personnel. That might be out of the grasp of what some of you can/want to understand or acknowledge, but it is true.

I have praised his moves or the moves of the FO when I thought they were good. I don't blindly hate them like a few posters do on here. And I don't automatically trust him like the majority of you do. I try and be objective. And that draws the ridicule of the same folks that have been doing it for years, no matter how many times reality slapped you in the face.

My biggest issue w/the recent news is that it appears [to me] that Sashi has kind of moved from being the tie breaker when everyone can't agree to the guy actually initiating some of these moves.

I'm not sure that is 100% correct. It just appears that way to me when I decipher all of the information that has been provided.

Maybe he's learned some things in the last couple of seasons that have made him more competent/ confident?

Non-sensible statement. I don't care for the Steelers, but your statement makes you look foolish and stubborn, blemishing Brown's fans.

I'm not even saying he isn't competent.

Like I have said............I praise him when I feel he makes good moves. Loved the fact that he took Garrett. Liked what he did in FA this year. Like the accumulation of draft picks. Loved how he has stepped up and paid guys like Bitonio, Kirksey, and Collins. Liked the Ogbah pick. Kizer was a good value pick. Nice job of finding Hogan off the scrap heap.

There are just moves that I don't like and some posters don't want to hear it. Again, I try to be as objective as possible.

And again, I am just upset that it seemingly has moved from him being the tie breaker to the guy who is making the roster decisions. I am very unhappy w/what has been done in the last week or so.

That does NOT mean I think he sucks or should be fired. I am just questioning the intelligence of these moves. And, I know you are new............but it always plays out where I am the one defending a guy at the end. I believe in continuity and hope that all of these guys keep their jobs for a long time. But some loud mouths on a message board can't stop me from voicing my opinions.

Well, until one of them suspends me.

The #Browns claimed OT Zach Banner, formerly of the #Colts. Not @JoeBanner13. RB Jonathan Williams went unclaimed and is free.

Ian Rapoport. @Rapsheet

The Cleveland Browns have claimed OL Zach Banner via waivers from Indianapolis. To make room on the roster, the team placed OL Rod Johnson(knee) on injured reserve. The club also signed LB B.J. Bello and OL Travis Averill to the practice squad and released DB Ed Reynolds II from injured reserve.

Banner is a 6-8, 360-pound rookie out of Southern California. He was selected by the Colts in the fourth round of the draft. He started 38 of his 40 career games for the Trojans. He is a native of Puyallup, Wash.
Johnson, a fifth-round pick this year, injured his knee during the Browns’ preseason finale last Thursday.
A 2017 undrafted free agent out of Boise State, Averill spent all of this preseason with the Atlanta Falcons before being waived on Sept. 1. Averill, 6-3, 295 pounds, started 38 of 40 games over his final three collegiate seasons and received All-Mountain West first-team honors as a senior in 2016. He is a native of Anaheim, Calif.
Bello, also a 2017 undrafted free agent, was a member of the Browns this preseason and was waived during final roster cuts. The 6-2, 229-pound defender started 11 of 12 games at Illinois State, recording 67 total tackles, six sacks and two forced fumbles.
The Browns’ practice squad currently stands at six members.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...42-3c3314ec6a3c

I still remember the "let the football people make the football decisions" mantra on this board. In a lot of ways that still stands.

This same thought process was used in baseball 20 years ago. The "baseball people" hated the analytics people and kept telling them how it wouldn't work. Until it did and became how baseball players have been judged ever since.

We all know football is different, but to completely dismiss the use of analytical data to assist your traditional scouting methods in making decisions is foolish.

I'll tell you what, I LIKE that Sashi Brown sounds like the baseball and basketball GM's that use analytical data in their decision making. I like that Sashi is the smartest person in the room when he talks and isn't some simpleton like George Kokinis and Tom Heckert ("football guys").

I'm all in on what they're doing from an asset gathering standpoint. The jury is still out on the players they've acquired over the last 2 seasons but it appears that those labors are starting to bear fruit. Love the defensive speed we have for the first time seemingly ever. Offense is a work in progress. But I see the progress.

Well said, Ammo...

hmm okay, never heard of him

We have football guys in scouts etc. Our board is based on their evaluations.


You make it sound like education is a bad thing. I find that ironic.

When you were a teacher, did you teach your kids hoping they would go to Harvard and become lawyers, engineers, or whatever, or did you teach them to become football guys?

I think we both know the answer, You wanted them to go to Harvard as one of the best and brightest.

It's sad you are now bashing that and now holding a Harvard education and a J.D. as something unworthy.

He was a 4th round pick this year. Played at USC and is big as a house.

thanks. hopefully he shows promise. I will say that IND's OL is so bad that it's tough for me to get too optimistic

Fire Sashi and bring in someone with CTE!

Where did I say anything like that?

I am so tired of people putting words into my mouth.

Take a freaking hike, peen.

Then stop playing the contrarian drama queen.... A message board is not going to win you an Oscar....

No GM is prefect, we know that by now.. All we are hoping for is competent, with potential for future improvement.

Get lost w/your stupid name calling and labeling.

I've called these things accurately for years and have to listen to the diarrhea squirting out of the mouths of guys like you the entire time.

I am objective. You don't like it. I could care less.

You your self called your self a contrarian... and went on to pontificate about the merits of being the opposing voice. The fact that I remember it remind you of it occasionally grates you, I know... but you so full of your own "stuff" it squirts out of both ears.

Being accurate with hindsight is easy, being accurate with foresight... well that has been what the Browns have been missing.

Lot's of great football talk in there. As always.

Zach Banner is a very large man, He is huge.. I don't know if he has the quickness to be an NFL Player, but if the league was run only, he would be an all-star...

I think he is something like 6-9 and dropped down to 340 for the combine. Last year he played at 370...

"Moneyball" move maybe? I don't like him as an every down player, but as an extra lineman for short yardage and goal line might be useful.