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"Moneyball" move maybe? I don't like him as an every down player, but as an extra lineman for short yardage and goal line might be useful. Could be. Maybe he specializes near the goal line or on 4th downs
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I am objective. You don't like it. I could care less.
COULDN'T care less. It's "couldn't". Just helping you out on grammar/usage. You seem to like to do that. "nice football post" - (beat you to it  )
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I might hand him the ball a couple of times just to watch at the goal line. I am not sure where you tackle somebody who is a zip code. Get him ready. Our roster sounds like The Replacements! Might as well just win it all.
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LOL.......your write. I all ways gots good grammar.
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Lot's of snarky comments from many of the same people who made snarky comments when I questioned Savage, The Big Show, and Farmer. Now, most of you say all those guys sucked. It never ends. And I just love the genius argument that we shouldn't hire a football guy because our football guys have failed in the past.  It makes me wonder about your life decisions. For example, if you have a poor attorney, do you hire a plumber the next time? Bad luck w/a doctor? Hey, let's hire a car mechanic. Don't like your dentist? Hire a tow truck driver. Goodness! I am not saying that Sashi can't succeed. I am saying that he lacks experience in evaluating personnel. That might be out of the grasp of what some of you can/want to understand or acknowledge, but it is true. I have praised his moves or the moves of the FO when I thought they were good. I don't blindly hate them like a few posters do on here. And I don't automatically trust him like the majority of you do. I try and be objective. And that draws the ridicule of the same folks that have been doing it for years, no matter how many times reality slapped you in the face. My biggest issue w/the recent news is that it appears [to me] that Sashi has kind of moved from being the tie breaker when everyone can't agree to the guy actually initiating some of these moves. I'm not sure that is 100% correct. It just appears that way to me when I decipher all of the information that has been provided. Football isn't brain surgery my man. I'm sure all of us have different backgrounds but still can relate and analyze the game and those who play it. Sashi has a team that he can rely on to help alleviate any lack of ability to evaluate personnel (to help with judgement calls on a player). You should kill the lawyer stuff. I do agree with you on one point though, and that is Sashi is initiating these moves without maybe truly considering feedback from coaches. Of course, I'm not in the front office listening to these conversations, but I think he's starting to feel himself a little because of the recent success he has had (none on the field of course).
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I hear you and I haven't given up on Sashi or any of them.
I'm just saying that the argument that hiring football people because past football people have failed is pretty dumb.
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We have football guys in scouts etc. Our board is based on their evaluations.
You make it sound like education is a bad thing. I find that ironic.
When you were a teacher, did you teach your kids hoping they would go to Harvard and become lawyers, engineers, or whatever, or did you teach them to become football guys?
I think we both know the answer, You wanted them to go to Harvard as one of the best and brightest.
It's sad you are now bashing that and now holding a Harvard education and a J.D. as something unworthy. Where did I say anything like that? I am so tired of people putting words into my mouth. Take a freaking hike, peen. I take a 5-6 mile hike 6 days a week. Usually starting at 5:15AM....give or take 5-10 minutes. I still stretch it out to 7 miles every now and then. A heel problem made me cut it back a mile or two, just to be safe. I had to lay off the walking path for a good year due to the heel.
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Whatever. I don't like you making up crap about what I am saying. I never even came close to saying I don't honor education.
Your homer ass is just making stuff up.
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The Cleveland Browns have claimed OL Zach Banner via waivers from Indianapolis. To make room on the roster, the team placed OL Rod Johnson(knee) on injured reserve. The club also signed LB B.J. Bello and OL Travis Averill to the practice squad and released DB Ed Reynolds II from injured reserve.
Banner is a 6-8, 360-pound rookie out of Southern California. He was selected by the Colts in the fourth round of the draft. He started 38 of his 40 career games for the Trojans. He is a native of Puyallup, Wash. So this is a guy the Colts drafted in the 4th round this year and already gave up on, and they have a weak OL? Solid pick up, I am excited. How often does a team drop a 4th round pick the preseason he was picked? I know it happens, but how often?
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Oh..........stop, you hater. He's way better than Greco and Cam! Sashi went to Harvard. That guarantees he is a good football talent evaluator.
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I wonder if we picked up Woodrum to get his info on the Balt offense?
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JMHO, Sashi is smarter than anyone on these boards. He has guys reporting to him about our players and "probably" every other player on every team. Hue and his coaches have inputs and make requests for players....stating Sashi is making decisions based on HIS evaluations has NO BASIS in fact, can't be proved, just speculated on....this FO drafts have produced more value than any other since the return.
Time will tell how many studs we have- again, JMHO Collins, Zeitler, and Thomas are only established, several new wantabees.......this is a strange new world, wonder when the FINAL Roster will be intact....GO Browns!!!!
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One thing I agree w/for sure.............time will tell, just like it always does.
Then again, that won't stop people from bashing non-homeristic opinions the next time.
That is the one thing that has been proven over time. LOL
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JMHO, Sashi is smarter than anyone on these boards. Haven't seen lyuokdea post in quite some time but I would argue that he is smarter than Sashi.
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I can't help but be disappointed that none of the late round WR's emerged (Louis remains to be seen).
Having said that, I think the changes made to the receiving group add elements that weren't there before in terms of filling a matchup role.
I won't hold my breath on the lineman we got from the Colts. He must have been a real stiff if a team gives up on a 4th rounder that quickly.
Ultimately, I don't expect this team to be good due to the nature of starting a rookie QB and the overall youth of the roster. However, I DO expect an identity to be developed and a serious step forward being taken.
I think a good comparison is the Tennessee Titans. The Titans were HORRIBLE (2-14, 3-13) but made the leap forward to 9-7 due to a series of shrewd moves in revamping the roster.
Of course, Mariota entered his second year whereas Kizer is a rookie, so it can't be apples to apples. But I think it would be safe to expect a leap forward with some rookie QB growing pains, no?
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I hear you and I haven't given up on Sashi or any of them.
I'm just saying that the argument that hiring football people because past football people have failed is pretty dumb. Respectfully, I don't think that is what was being said. How I read it was more like "hiring non-football people no more guarantees failure than hiring football people guarantees success."
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I saw someone else say it (I think ChargerDawg), but I think it needs to be reemphasized. Zach Banner is giant. Try and figure out which one is him:  He's also a great teammate. None of this means he is any good, just fun.
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On third and half a yard, you will need a step ladder to go over him.
I worry about the 6'4" 245 lb DE that runs a 4.6.
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His nemesis (if you can believe it) has been run blocking, but he does show the ability to pass protect.
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Good grief. He's yuge!
He reminds me of that one tackle we brought in from the CFL. I think his last name was Reinders? He was a giant and had a fun video circulating around the internet of him just manhandling defenders. He couldn't hang, but it was fun while it lasted.
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The Cleveland Browns have claimed OL Zach Banner via waivers from Indianapolis. To make room on the roster, the team placed OL Rod Johnson(knee) on injured reserve. The club also signed LB B.J. Bello and OL Travis Averill to the practice squad and released DB Ed Reynolds II from injured reserve.
Banner is a 6-8, 360-pound rookie out of Southern California. He was selected by the Colts in the fourth round of the draft. He started 38 of his 40 career games for the Trojans. He is a native of Puyallup, Wash. So this is a guy the Colts drafted in the 4th round this year and already gave up on, and they have a weak OL? Solid pick up, I am excited. How often does a team drop a 4th round pick the preseason he was picked? I know it happens, but how often? I don't know, but it is more often than happens here. I think we are getting to the point that drafted players aren't a lock to make the team. As for this player, I don't know anything about him.
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Oh..........stop, you hater. He's way better than Greco and Cam! Sashi went to Harvard. That guarantees he is a good football talent evaluator. I don't know if he is or isn't. Where are Greco and Cam playing now? I haven't kept track.
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i can see greco not being picked up til after week 1 so his contract isnt fully guaranteed.
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+1, since the return we've had lots of football players/executives who were "saviors"- Policy/Clark/Butch/Romo/...Farmer-ALL "good" football minds and people- and what do we have to show for it- Savage's Thomas pick, that's about it....well, bringing in brains AND moneyball might...again, might show different results over time- JMHO, we should be VERY competitive come 18.....time will tell....GO Browns!!!!!
PS love getting some different WRs, give drafted guys chance, then performance based....gone....GO Browns!!!!
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Whatever. I don't like you making up crap about what I am saying. I never even came close to saying I don't honor education.
Your homer ass is just making stuff up. You know you're implying it.
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i can see greco not being picked up til after week 1 so his contract isnt fully guaranteed. Maybe. I don't think the contract goes with them once they are cut.
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Zach Banner, OT, USC
Height: 6-8. Weight: 353. Arm: 33.63. Hand: 10.75.
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Projected Round (2017): 5-7.
4/25/17: Banner and the rest of the USC offensive line didn't impress against Alabama in the 2016 season opener. He played better after that, but dealt with an ankle injury. Sources say that Banner has some athletic talent, but he has big problems with his weight, work ethic, and lethargy. Banner had some struggles at the Senior Bowl as the fast defensive linemen gave him a lot of issues. He did have a good tape when he did well blocking UCLA edge rusher Takkarist McKinley.
9/3/16: While he's played on the left side at times for the Trojans, Banner is probably more of a smash-mouth right tackle for the NFL. He has a lot of strength at the point attack and obviously is a massive blocker. Banner showed some athleticism by playing some basketball at USC. In 2015, he made two starts at left tackle and the other 12 games at right tackle.
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Fire Sashi and bring in someone with CTE! "Dwyane Bowe... how do you feel about playing football with the Cleveland Browns?" 
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I watched a bit of the Colts in the preseason, he looked like a turn style at RT. If pass blocking is his strength, we are in trouble.
If anything, guard at best.
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The Cleveland Browns have claimed OL Zach Banner via waivers from Indianapolis. To make room on the roster, the team placed OL Rod Johnson(knee) on injured reserve. The club also signed LB B.J. Bello and OL Travis Averill to the practice squad and released DB Ed Reynolds II from injured reserve.
Banner is a 6-8, 360-pound rookie out of Southern California. He was selected by the Colts in the fourth round of the draft. He started 38 of his 40 career games for the Trojans. He is a native of Puyallup, Wash. So this is a guy the Colts drafted in the 4th round this year and already gave up on, and they have a weak OL? Solid pick up, I am excited. How often does a team drop a 4th round pick the preseason he was picked? I know it happens, but how often? I don't know, but it is more often than happens here. I think we are getting to the point that drafted players aren't a lock to make the team. As for this player, I don't know anything about him. I do not know anything about him either, but I find it more troubling that Indy does not have that good of a line, and still made him available just a couple of months after drafting him in the 4th.
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Of course you don't care for the Steelers...what Bengal fan does.
Go away Troll!
Vers...why an opposing opinion has to be "SNARKY" only yours is sound and just...
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I don't think I've seen a season yet where there was so much movement in the week heading into the opener!
For me, this is one of those times that I really hope they know what they are doing.
Hall and Leslie I thought showed well in the Preseason. But then again, there is always one or two guys I feel that way about, we cut them and never hear from them again. Not sure why.
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I don't think I've seen a season yet where there was so much movement in the week heading into the opener! I think it might be because there was only one required cut down date. A lot of guys hitting the street at the same time, which leads to another round of pick-ups and cuts.
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Look in the mirror you haven't a leg to stand on as far as Keeping it to FOOTBALL POSTS...really you going there?
Have you no shame...lol 
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The Cleveland Browns have claimed OL Zach Banner via waivers from Indianapolis. To make room on the roster, the team placed OL Rod Johnson(knee) on injured reserve. The club also signed LB B.J. Bello and OL Travis Averill to the practice squad and released DB Ed Reynolds II from injured reserve.
Banner is a 6-8, 360-pound rookie out of Southern California. He was selected by the Colts in the fourth round of the draft. He started 38 of his 40 career games for the Trojans. He is a native of Puyallup, Wash. So this is a guy the Colts drafted in the 4th round this year and already gave up on, and they have a weak OL? Solid pick up, I am excited. How often does a team drop a 4th round pick the preseason he was picked? I know it happens, but how often? I don't know, but it is more often than happens here. I think we are getting to the point that drafted players aren't a lock to make the team. As for this player, I don't know anything about him. I do not know anything about him either, but I find it more troubling that Indy does not have that good of a line, and still made him available just a couple of months after drafting him in the 4th. Yeah Banner is mammoth...I can't say I saw him play preseason ball...but I know with his frame and feet...a lot of people had him kicking over to the right side at RT...I can only assume he struggled there...maybe he projects better as a guard? Then again his size actually may limit him there as well... I'm pretty sure a lot of folks had a tough time to project an NFL position for him...why I think he was noted as a round 5-7 guy, he's a project. Hopefully we found a good player that contribute positively...well least that's my hope for everyone.
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It's somewhat interesting we've brought in players from our 1st 3 opponents. Coates-Steelers-Wk1, Woodrum-Ravens-Wk2, Banner-Colts-Wk3.
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