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I love this article. It's so bizarre! Trading Cam Erving is a tanking move? Did the author mean playing Cam Erving is a tanking move?

I get the premise of the article, I just don't think it's well executed (there was no mention of us signing Zeitler and Tretter).

It's written by a Football Outsiders guy, which makes it even more weird.

Somebody had to pee in their cereal that morning.

Very weird. Especially considering how the NFL has some of the worst parity in any sport. I also wonder how he likes the Jaguars moves this off-season, as they were the first money ball team. They have even deployed into the third stage, where they are just signing expensive FA'S, despite not having a cheap QB to build around.

j/c:

Articles like these will continue to be written until we win. It's as simple as that no matter how much we disagree with it's content or accuracy.

I read the article and had a similar thought. This is a good way to describe it.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady caused more 'damage' to the competitive balance of the league over the past 15 years than moneyball.
JMHO

According to the fans on this board, reporters and others have been "dumb" for years when evaluating the Browns.

lol and yet the national media tends to be accurate every single season. but come on bro we're fans, which means we all have homerism.

LOL I get that. It just seems weird for people to call others "clueless" when the opposite has proven to be true.

I don't know........maybe it's my background, but when I played, I loved talking trash. Big-time trash. But dawg, I didn't say boo-peep when we were losing. Talkin' trash when you suck is pretty lame. LOL

Sorry bonefish. Wasn't trying to ruffle your gills. I like you as a poster. I was just sayn'.

Also no mention that in previous years the Browns did what the article is essentially promoting... overpaying for talent to keep the brand name players in house. Haven't we been doing that for years? And spending our monies on over the hill free agents and trading for unwanted "low character" prima donna players... ?

The Browns are not tanking and anyone who writes an article about it or believes it is foolish.

I especially liked the comment that the NFL is set up for a quick turnaround. If it's that easy Mr. article writer why don't you do it?

Funny to read, but this article is wrong in a lot of places... but thanks for trying to pile on.

Bozos being a very popular term.
If a reporter didnt gush and embrace the Browns front office and moves it made he was labeled a bozo or inept at his profession

And I don't see what the Jets are doing as the same as what the Browns did last year. Browns didn't "tank" last year either, but the Jets very well might be. The Jets have the look of a team that thinks they know what the Browns are doing and want to copy. There's more to the Browns plan than releasing aging vets and young talent for future draft picks. The Jets on the other might very well be trying to copy what the Colts did a few years back.

The author probably evaluates Quarterbacks by how pretty their girlfriends are.

https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/905156313918910464

Cleveland Browns cutting veterans? The bottom line -- Terry Pluto (video)
Updated on September 5, 2017 at 3:31 PM Posted on September 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_browns_cutting_veter.html



By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer

terrypluto2003@yahoo.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Look at all the veteran players cut by the Cleveland Browns?

They're tanking! They don't want to win!! They are throwing away talent!!!

I received an email from a fan about the Browns cutting John Greco as being the same as Mitchell Schwartz going to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Not even close.

After the 2015 season, Schwartz was a 26-year-old free agent. He was coming off a rookie contract. He had never missed a snap.

I thought the Browns blew it by allowing him to go to the Chiefs for a relatively modest contract. He is a solid right tackle.

But this is not Schwartz all over again.

Greco is 32. He is coming off major foot surgery. He was healthy in training camp, but not close to being a starter.

The Browns kept Austin Reiter and Marcus Martin instead of Greco. Both are younger and they are interior linemen.

For Greco's sake, I hope he is eventually signed. But no team has rushed to sign him.

The Browns cut Desmond Bryant a few weeks ago. They cut Gary Barnidge a few months ago. Neither is with an NFL team.

The only veteran cut by the Browns who had an immediate demand for his skills was Joe Haden.

I can easily make a case for the Browns keeping Haden, even though he is no longer a Pro Bowl caliber cornerback worthy of his $11 million salary.

My sense is the Browns believe Jamar Taylor is better than Haden.

But the NFL spoke, several teams were interested in Haden. The defensive back-desperate Pittsburgh Steelers signed Haden for $7 million.

The Browns did offer Haden $7 million to stay. But seldom does it work for a player to take a paycut to remain with his original team. It tends to create hard feelings.

Brock Osweiler was signed by Denver as a backup.

Can we take a deep breath and a logical look at what the Browns have done?

Let's talk about it.

Well, the Browns have had 2 decent seasons out of what, 17 since their return... they have been doing this analytics thing for one year.. obviously that is NOT what is causing the competitive imbalance.

The bigger contributor to the competitive imbalance is that they have jacked the rules around so that it's almost impossible to win without a really good QB... there are 32 teams and only about 10-12 really good QBs...

another article created to keep casual fans laughing at us

[quote=cfrs15]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27313...amming-national

and we should listen to anything this asshat types WHY????????????

"My name is Mike and I write Greg Schiano jokes for food. Long ago, I taught mathematics in suburban South Jersey. During standardized test sessions, I wrote articles for Football Outsiders and the New York Times. Eventually, schools began giving so many standardized tests that I was a full-time writer who proctored tests as a side job. So I quit proctoring tests. I covered the NFL for Sports on Earth for two years. Now I am at Bleacher Report, sharing statistical nuggets and offbeat observations while waiting for Congress to appoint a Poet Laureate in the category of Johnny Manziel Tweets. 'Cuz I like my odds. "


JC why is it that so many folks around here think anybody who posts on the internet is smart????????

That's the way journalism is now. It's like the younger generation, respect is history. Kids are taught to care about themselves only. Me,me,me...

Watch these shows on NFL network. You got former players mocking present players. They all chuckle, and the kids think that is cool. Bashing someone used to be frowned upon, today it's a national pastime.

FA is what killed the NFL. No loyalty to a team, only rare cases. Rosters turn over every couple years, except the few elite teams. FAs turn down teams to play for contenders, then when they get older they prey upon losing teams to pay them big bucks because of their name recognition, then dog it foir a year and retire.

I feel this regime, is doing what needed done since '99. They are building a foundation, a team to grow together. I hope it works, but know it will take a few years.

Never said that.

I said that the fans on the boards have been lambasting journalists and anyone else who criticizes the team for years.

Heck, look at some of the recent posts on this very thread. What makes these posters so smart? They've been wrong every freaking year and they still speak in a haughty manner.

Very annoying.

Slanted. Presumptive. Disjointed. Poorly written.

Here is the problem bro. So many people listen to SO CALLED journalists and take what they say to heart, and never ever vet what those asshats are saying.

I don't know why this article rubbed me wrong but it did!
I guess I'm sick of getting beat down from the outside. Grant it, until we actually prove something on the field we have to take this crap.
But it sounded like this guy really didn't know how this works. ( maybe none of us do) and it was the Browns fault for starting moneyball.
For the Browns, we needed to try something innovative, outside the box thinking.
However, we have not played just "moneyball" outside of the Oswaller trade.

As far as the recent moves, I was an absolute Joe H.fan. But for the past two years he couldn't stay healthy and still was getting burnt in pre-season,
Bottom line his skills diminished. He will probably be rejuvenated which I say go for it Joe.

As for Greco, I thought he was an excellent back up. But he was not starting. It will not cause us to have a losing season because he was let go.
Erving, jeez, we actually got a 5th round!- Good for Sashi!

I can't figure out why I get a sense of so many folks are giving up on the long term strategy.
This team cannot be fixed in a year.
Think about it, this is the FO first full offseason. I think there were more good moves than bad.
For this team, that is a major improvement. We knew this was not the year for any playoff runs.

Lets see what this young quarterback can do. I for one saw a quarterback, for the first time I remember pass they eye test.
My prediction in the other thread is 5-11 and that is being optimistic, but in no way am I ready to abandon what is in motion.

like some of the threads created on this board... Bad thing is..It's by so called fans.

Objectivity is a terrible, terrible thing.

when used for dispassion..

Pretty much....

So many people listen to SO CALLED knowledgeable posters and take what they say to heart, and never ever vet what those asshats are saying.

yeeaaa....

when I got to the part where the Bills cutting Cardale Jones is in part the Bills are taking and playing "moneyball". I just had to stop there.

Summed up right there lol.

Strangely, this reminds me of another time in our history where the media and fans went bananas...


https://www.si.com/vault/1993/11/22/1299...t-bernie-kosar#


That regime was fired as the team moved and the Browns returned in 1999 and sucked ever since... The coach of that regime went on to do great things with his method of madness. And then the Browns hire a front office with a similar philosophy only to be told it won't work by the media and several fans.... let's see how this turns out.