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So u think he's good ... ok ... gotcha ... we'll re-visit this around turkey time ...

We'll see just how good he's playing ..

BO got 16 mill gauranteed in year two of his contract ... based off that and the fact your telling me Haden's good now based off what he got paid ... u must think bo's good also ...

No need to be anal ... *L* ... u basically lied through your teeth taking the average IF he's there all 3 years ...

This year he's making 7 mill ... not 9 ...

If u keep MISREPRESENTING FACTS I sure hope Arch stays anal ...

Thanks for being "anal" Arch ...

The more I read .. the worse u look Pit ..

A point I've tried to make and been shot down for it. I think you might have articulated it better than I have.

This post could have gone in so many other threads. Jester, perfect post!

Wrong thread.

Let me guess. You are just talking football and you were insulted first?

Younger guys? How old is McCourty, Rish?

And we can revisit just how great the Brown's corners are too, correct?

Or is that off limits in the land of Make Believe?

I hear Coates is pretty fast btw

I wasn't talking about McCourty. He was already going to play a lot.

Let me know, your the king of make believe land ...

Ps. Feel free to learn how to follow along ... I never gave a MORONIC ANALOGY like your boy ...

And I never said we had anything other than a bad secondary ... u just keep trying to put words in my mouth ...

You didn't answer the question.

Haden and Taylor were listed as the starters.

Also, I have read where people were okay w/cutting Joe so we could develop our youth. So again, how old is McCourty?

Hmmmm....I think it was you who put words into my mouth about how good/bad the Steelers' secondary was.

That is why I brought up whether or not you thought the Brown's secondary was.

Let me know when you return from you vacation at Make Believe Land and want to start talking football again.

Well appearantly the mayor of make believe land needs a new fact checker ...

Feel free to show me the post where I put words in your mouth about how good/bad the stiler secondary was .. and remember asking questions is not putting words in someone's mouth ... it's called asking a QUESTION not making a STATEMENT ...

I'll be waiting ...

Even though you are in the distant land of Make Believe land, you won't have to wait long.



While you threw in a couple of question marks, that doesn't read like a question. It reads more like BS from someone trying to put words into my mouth........Especially considering that I had already stated that Pittsburgh had a weak secondary on several occasions.

I think that they like BBC inside as our NCB, which is becoming more of a seperate position, then in years past.

Yeah I'll be real interested when Diam tries to compare how our CB's play compared to Haden. That will be hilarious!

If you didn't like the move why are you moving heaven and earth to argue with me? And you wouldn't know how to spank someone if you tried.

With that great football brain you have, you've been wrong about every HC we've had until now, every FO we've had until now and many of the players we've had until now.

With your brainwashed self you believe they were all good and every rookie we've had will develop into greatness. That's not how any of this works.

You may be the king of positivity, but that's exactly what blinds you from actually using what you do know about the game to be accurate with anything you say.

You're out of your league here if smack is your goal. Climb back into your positive bubble and continue to make mistake after mistake about our players when you keep speaking about how great they all are, or will be. You've done that for years and we were 1-15 last year. lmao

So you believe that losing Haden makes our secondary better, worse or about the same? Because that's what this all boils down to. If it makes it worse, it was a mistake. If you weaken an already weak unit, it was a mistake. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.

I said " I SAID PITT'S SECONDARY STUNK ... u disagree? ...

Thats not a question ... *LOL*

Ok man ... once again .. your right and I'm wrong ... u feel better now? ...

I even called your shot ..... I''d say your emberassing yourself now but you've gone well past that ever since BO was cut ...

Later .... let me know when u get someone in your administration that understands what a question is ...

I've said WORSE 20 times ... maybe u oughta pay attention before making bs statements ... but thats just me ... obviously its not u ...



Nothing's wrong with that ... we agree ...

But thats not what we're talking about here ... way to change the convo ...

Although it was your best and only course of action at this point ...

Am i anal also? ... lol

Well you've always been anal so I didn't see any reason to mention it. lol

But since you brought it up.....

*LOL* ... yup ... that's me ... Mr. Anal ...

Unfortunately not all decisions are made with this in mind. Haden's salary does factor in.

I'd say that may be true but I also find that to be confusing.

With Brock signing a 775k deal with the Broncos, we end up paying 15.25 mil for a second round draft pick. With the gamble that all draft picks are, that's investing 15.25 in a player that "may or may not" help this team be better. Yet paying around 11 mil. for a player we know makes this team better was a waste of money? I don't get that.

I'm not saying that Haden should have been kept long term. But when you still have a huge amount in salary cap, a very weak secondary and need to infuse it with more talent, I don't see cutting a player that can help you until you do add more talent to the position.

I didn't like cutting Haden to save money against the cap either. I was just pointing out that whether player helps the team or not is not the only thing that factors into a decision.

I've said it a bunch of times. The team valued the cap space we saved over the play Haden was going to give us on the field. If Haden plays like he has the last two seasons, this will look like a great move by the team.



I don't think you are valuing the draft pick properly. The draft pick, if good, will be a young player on the team for four years of a rookie contract. Haden, who it seems like was not worth his contract, was probably only going to be on the team for one year. Whether you (or I) agree or not is a different discussion.

I wasn't trying to argue or debate your logic. Just pointing out why I disagreed with it.

It's a risk, no doubt... but if the guy signing the checks is ok with it, who am I to critique the FO from getting another chance at landing a contributor? Getting another draft pick is never a negative. How much of a positive it is is certainly up for debate.

Also, what if the pick is a part of a package to move up and take the next great QB (if that's what we need and what's available at the end of the year)?

What would be interesting to know, and this would be tough to find out considering teams can now rollover cap money and we had a ton-- if the FO said:

"Hey, we have to meet a threshold with cap spending, why don't we take on a contract to help either get us there or ultimately meet that level while getting a high draft pick?"

Again, not sure that was the thought process but it's tough playing catch-up to all the rules. However, people widely assumed back in March that this was in the cards. I, myself, thought Brock would still be on this roster, but cutting him doesn't surprise me considering he was the final line item in the press release once the trade went down. That, and he just didn't play well in preseason.

I came here to read about Coates, instead it's a pissing match

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Terrible Acquisition almost as bad as Britt ...

Browns receiver Kenny Britt has 10 games left to avoid the Walk of Shame down Bowe Boulevard.

How Kenny Britt can avoid becoming Dwayne Bowe 2.0 and also catch more of DeShone Kizer's passes

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns receiver Kenny Britt has 10 games left to avoid the Walk of Shame down Bowe Boulevard.

Dwayne Bowe, of course, was the veteran receiver signed by former Browns general manager Ray Farmer who was a total flop in 2015 and the poster boy for all that went wrong in that 3-13 season.

Signed by the Browns to a two-year contract worth $12.5 million -- including $9 million guaranteed -- Bowe was a healthy scratch most of the season and caught only five passes for 53 yards in his seven games. That worked out to almost $2 million per reception.

After the season, Bowe was cut by the Browns and never played in the NFL again.

Fast forward to this year, and Britt's 2017 season is a on slippery slope down Bowe lane.

As a the replacement for Terrelle Pryor, Britt signed a four-year deal worth $32.5 million, including $17 million guaranteed. But in his four games, he has only eight catches for 121 yards and a TD.

He's also been inactive the past two games, for a knee and groin injury against the Jets and for performance as well as the knee and groin in Houston, according to a source, but Hue Jackson pinned it all on the injury.

What's more, Jackson believes Britt can still be Bowe-dacious the rest of the way, beginning with Sunday's game against the 3-3 Titans.

"Obviously, there are 10 games left so yes, he can,'' said Jackson. "It starts this week. He needs to go out and make plays for the football team, create separation for the quarterback so the quarterback feels comfortable letting the ball go and be a steadying influence among that group as we go forward, and I think he can do that.

"He has to go do it - he knows it - on a consistent basis. It's a one week opportunity. Here is his resume this weekend. We'll go from there and keep moving forward."

Jackson is hoping that facing the team that drafted him in the first round out of Rutgers in 2009, No. 30 overall, will light a fire under Britt.

"I think you're always excited to play against the team that drafted you or somewhere that you've worked before, just because you want everybody to know that you're doing well, that you've improved and you've put yourself in a better situation, a better opportunity for yourself.

"I'm sure there's a little bit of that in there for him and (former Titan) Jason (McCourty), but I just think more so than anything, they want their teammates to play well and have an opportunity to win a game."

Britt acknowledged that a visit from the Titans has him pumped, and that he's hoping to be able to play.

"I'm getting closer,'' he said. "It's day by day to tell you the truth and hopefully I am able to go because it'll be the first time I'm able to play against the team that drafted me. (There's) a little more focus, a little more preparation and a little pep in my step this week.

"Probably will get in the training room a lot earlier than I used to do from the last couple of weeks, to tell you the truth, just to get out there and be able to play, especially with the other guy on the other side of me, Jason McCourty. I know he's fired up and ready to go, too."

Like Jackson, Britt is confident he'll have plenty to Bowst about by the time the season's over.

"There are 10 games left,'' he said. "That's plenty of time. We're coming together more off the field and in the meeting rooms and we're going to do whatever it takes to do it on the field in practice."

Coming off his first 1,000-yard season with the Rams last year, Britt hopes for similar success with the Browns in his ninth season.

"I knew this offense was starting from scratch and they were trying to build an offense to go out there and play,'' he said. "It's kind of hard because you have this quarterback controversy and you don't know who's going to play in OTAs and you don't know who's going to play in camp and in Week 1 you're trying to figure it all out. It's kind of hard because you're really in OTA mode in Week 1 and you're behind teams. These teams have been practicing with their quarterbacks and their plays since OTAs."

Britt got off on the wrong foot with a red zone drop in the dress rehearsal game, and had another one against the Steelers. He's credited with only two drops this season, but had a pass glance off his hands in Indy that was picked off, and Jackson pinned it more on the receiver than the Kizer.

Currently, he's the 108th-best receiver in the NFL according to profootballfocus.com, and he's on pace for only 28 catches for 423 yards and four TDs.

Britt, who's played with dozens of QB over his nine seasons, admitted last week that Kizer throws a bullet compared to Kevin Hogan.

"Hogie has a little bit more touch,'' he said. "Kizer's going out there and straight laser."

But he acknowledged that the receivers must adjust.

"We've got to go on the JUGs and turn it up to 100 and just catch that and then it will slow down for us,'' said Britt. "Like I said before, he's a young kid, and he's just learning the game. In college, he can wait until his receivers get out of their break and make that up with their arm.

"Some quarterbacks tend to bring that into the NFL and you just see it sometimes and there's other times he's releasing it before the receiver's right there and it's on time where it's supposed to be with touch. As long as he keeps on working and we keep on working with him, like I said, no one can really stop us.''

But, he said, it's one thing to do it in practice and another in the heat of the moment.

"We can work as hard as we want,'' he said. "We can go out there and throw 100 snaps, and they could all be perfect, 99 out of 100 times and we've still got to go out there and do it on the day of the game. You never know on Sunday, the guard might go this way, and the tackle might go this way. That might mess it up. You never know.''

If they can't get it flipped, it doesn't Bowed well for Britt's future.

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