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It's always something with Teflon Tabor. Other parts of our special teams game might be up to par, but every season there's always something that's a disaster. Pisses me off so much




Agreed. Didn't realize this till after. I was all confused. Less than 3 minutes left, clock was running anyway, just throw the red flag. Who cares, as long as the clock gets stopped (it was pretty much our last feasible opportunity to use it). I bet this is a learning moment for Hue. Probably got caught up in the moment. Called the timeout, then heard from upstairs that he maybe should challenge the play.



This I agree with too. I like that Kizer is gaining the confidence of a lot of folks, but Jesus he held the ball way too long. He's gotta do better with that, no question about it. If only to stop my father's complaining, lol. Him repeatedly saying "This guy just isn't an NFL QB", and "I like a QB who gets the ball off quickly. Why isn't that big tall guy starting?" (to which I have to repeat that Osweiller was cut, and he had terrible accuracy).

Hopefully next week we see improvement so that Pops can jump on the Kizer bandwagon

Just don't start eating cat food, okay bro?



Seemed to me on at least two of them he could have taken off running. It sort of looks to me like he is forcing himself to stay in the pocket even if there's a running lane, as though it's some sort of mandate from Hue. Sure, he needs to learn to throw it away, no doubt, but I want to see him use his legs more in those situations.



There were a couple passes, one I think to Duke and I believe the other one was to Njoku where Kizer really needed to put more air under the ball. I noticed that several times during the preseason as well. He throws frozen ropes when he needs some loft. Hopefully that will come with experience.



Dude is growing on me. I can't wait to see Njoku get it together.



I didn't love a lot of what I saw, but Crow did have several nice runs. One in the beginning (1st down?) was called back by a holding penalty. He had some really nice catch and runs too. Overall, for the first game against a pit D who was stacking the box, it wasn't catastrophic.



FWIW Hue said in his presser that he had already told the official that he was taking a time out after the play. When the play was over, the official immediately signaled the TO. At that point, it was a done deal. I supposed in hindsight it would've been better had he not challenged. It would've been better still had we made the play and either gotten to the QB or denied the reception. That was one time where I thought they should have sold out on the blitz. JMO



The crucial mistake here, IMO, was trusting the block to a 7th round rookie. I mean, what the hell? Does he know who we're playing?

One last thing. Kizer's last drive was nice. Gives me great hope for the future.

Dk held the ball too long because the game is too fast for him at this point. It will slow down for him as the season goes on. Also, some of our 2nd year players are doing pretty good. There young. Give them time. Patience my friends, patience. I did want to add DK needs to be told to throw the ball away or he will get hurt.

It's never a good thing when your QB gets sacked 7 times and on top of that, you get a punt blocked and it goes for a TD.

That was a really bad sign.

But in the end, I wasn't nearly as ticked off at the team.

They are young, I know that's not a good excuse, but it happens to be true. So, in the end, let them grow a little, hurt a little and I think they'll grow into a decent team...

Tab i agree about orchard. The kid needs to be on the field a good amount of each game whether garret is playing or not. If he stays healthy I think he could be a real stud

Should we, as fans, hit the reset button on Orchard now that he's in William's D vs Pettine's?

Schobert was soft in the redzone. He couldn't cover the TE. He made some good plays but disappeared when it counted the most....meh. He gave up the 14 points and that's who Pitt. decided was the weak link. It worked, they won. Kizer looks to have the talent, but can he catch up to the speed of the game? I think we've found our franchise QB. I've seen them all since Sipe and I've not liked one since Couch.The ball flies out of his hands and he has ice in his veins.Love Hue, but Kizer is taking too many hits. I stopped counting 7. Does Hue have too much on his plate? The pre timeout? He didn't think that through. Running the offense, managing the game and trying to teach Kizer on the fly is a lot. Kindred flashed and he deserves some credit. (I'm a Veteran with PTSD so excuse me if I don't get into much detail. Me memory is somewhat shoddy but I get a general sense of the game.)

MG is the missing piece IMO. With him, Nassib, Orchard and EO we have the makings of quite a pass rush. We really missed him Sunday. If he played who knows.

Couple of things.

I thought Kiser showed good pose, but he seemed more comfortable when it was a quick read and checkdown. When he went through the progressions is when he held it too long. Maybe Hue needs to make the playbook a little more simple. I was wondering if all the motion and formation switching was confusing him some.

Britt's drop was a killer. If he is having probs getting open, that;s one thing, but the drop was wide open midfield and should have been a big play.

All my co-workers laugh because I'm a Browns fan (I live in virginia) but I told them that the offense may struggle, but our defense is for real, and they showed it Sunday. I'm tired of hearing this CRAP about Bell being rusty, our D was all over that dude from the start.

I know we lost, but there were plenty of positives that cam out of that game.

PS. The Steelers are the dirtiest team I have ever seen. Hitting defenseless receivers, but the worst was Shazier. He was trying to break Kiser's arm on that late hit. He drove his helmet right into Kiser's forearm. And then Ben's crap on hooking that guy's leg. Both should at least be fined if not suspended, but they won't. Even if they got fined Tomlin would pay it, cause he preaches that cheat-shot douche-baggier that the Steelers pull every Sunday.

Ben went for his knees first, missed then did the ankle twist

From what I've observed over 50 years of being a fan of sports; the rules are there for everyone but they are not as strictly enforced for members of some teams as they are for others. JMO

One touchdown was ridiculously well covered, and a good pass and catch was made.

The other was a very well drawn up play...... James looks like he's blocking, then quickly makes a move to the inside and catches a pass.



I think that would have beaten out most NFL ILBs. I just watched the 14 points on youtube, and that's what I saw........

You mean favorites? The NFL? ESPN? Yep!

And have you noticed that some like us, even at our weakest and worst, get kicked while we are down and dragged through the coals. Not all the cheap shot wranglers are in pads. Some are clueless and just stirring up sludge pretending they are clever.

"Critics are legless men who would teach running." They cannot create quality themselves so they draw astounding amounts of negativity to what ever target can't fight back. Crap it is then!

.......... I really , really like that !

"Critics are legless men who would teach running." They cannot create quality themselves so they draw astounding amounts of negativity to what ever target can't fight back !

I think you're pretty spot on tab.

Kizer is a rookie and what people need to remember is that he is a very young rookie at 21. There will be growing pains. I really don't see his faults to be any more than most other rookies with more NCAA experience. So to me, with his lack of NCAA experience, he's ahead of the curve at this point. As with most rookies the speed of the game is causing him to hold onto the ball too long and he tries to make something out nothing. With experience I believe that can happen, but for now he needs to learn to throw the ball away and live for another down.

Williams made the best use of the D talent with his game plan. Most expected all out blitzes and five players attacking at the LOS. He decided to drop more players and keep the plays short by dropping the safeties deeper into coverage. A very smart game plan against a veteran QB with a strong arm. It's nice to see a DC who can vary his game plan depending on who the opponent is.

+1, exactly!!!

What I saw?

The cheaters once again winning with no fine or penalty.

[I tried to put a gif of Ben twisting Ogbah's ankle here, but image hosting service wouldn't let me so here's a link instead
Ben the cheater ]

NFL almost impossible to watch these days. I'm 1 more rip-off game away from quitting. Which would suck, since I LOVE football my whole life, but I mean enough is enough.

Find a college team that wins and take enjoyment out of the different dimensions between the two.

excellent d you gave up 14 point to the steelers(I mean the cheaters).
2 offense excellent grades to devalve and coleman.

I'll give the first TD (Even though if he was a bit bigger or quicker he could've gotten to it), but the second TD he got juked out of his shoes and couldn't catch up. Say I give you both TD's you assume were flukes? My other point, which ignored completely, was Pitt. decided Shobert was the weak link. I've watched the game a few times now and I can tell you they go after Shobert time and time again in the redzone. More than any other one player. They won <----My point. If you had to point a finger at who had given up the 14 points in the endzone who would you point a finger at? Be honest.

I watched him in preseason, I watched him flash in the game. I've seen him make some great plays and he has a great motor. Don't have my finger on it yet, it's either size or speed, but he doesn't have it. He's a big part of the reason we lost Sunday and that's an undeniable fact to all but the homerest of the homers. Facts don't care what you believe or want to believe. They're all that matter, not feelings..football.

He has potential and he made some good plays, but he didn't have a great game. He lost the game and that's not great. jmho.

that and Antonio Browns 180 sum yards rec. at critical times.