If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
Well then you should know a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors between 1999 and 2015 driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. The sales “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin has quadrupled in the U.S.
Again - its a people problem - you can blame the addicts, you can blame big pharm, you can blame docs, they are all people and are the problem. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, same with a drug
What you are supposed to do in every case is think for yourself. The Doctor helps as best he can but you are ultimately in charge of your own treatment.
Everyone knows you can take Opioids for a while without a problem. It is up to you to decide when a different course of treatment is necessary. You choose when it is time for a different Doctor.
I have known many people who have reached the end of treatment without becoming addicts but have come to the realization they will be living with this pain the rest of their lives. Most people can not accept this scenario. They want to be back to normal or else!
I know people that didn't get addicted as well. I also know several who have and it was gut-wrenching to watch their downfall. These were not weak minded, can't think for themselves, dumb people. I guess we can't all be as strong and as smart as you though 40.
Keep putting your head in the sand on this one, the facts are there - it is highly addictive and the drug companies knew it. To me it is 100% the reason behind the epidemic.
I don't expect anyone to be as strong and smart as me, I prefer no competition.
I 100% disagree that anyone else is responsible for this epidemic than those among us who put too much of a good thing into our own bodies.
You have to look at a higher level and see how addiction fits in, how the world is becoming an increasingly addictive place. It goes beyond drugs also encompasses other consumables and behaviors such as excessive video games and social media usage, porn, heavily processed junk food, etc etc.
Im sorry, I disagree with this. The vast majority of kids play video games, use social media, watch porn, and eat heavily processed junk food. The VAST majority of kids do no use. We need to stop blaming outside causes and look at the root cause, that some people are just lost no matter what. (and this does need its own thread)
I disagree with your disagreement.
But seriously, you have to look into how everything factors together. Everything you just mentioned from excessive screen time, to porn addiction, sugar addiction, etc. have some overlapping brain effects, such as atrophy of white and gray matter, frontal lobe deterioration, and other related changes.
These literal, physical brain changes (which show up on MRI/brain scans) have predictable effects that are far more common in young people today than they have ever been-- depression, isolation, emotional instability, reduced 'executive' function, etc.
Then when people try out hardcore drugs, those aforementioned changes leave a person largely powerless, or at least relatively more powerless than they would have been in a different era. Evidence of this can be seen all across the country... it's an epidemic for a reason. The pharmacy thing plays into it too. It's a complicated topic with many different angles to approach from.
I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
Why would you ever allow something like this to happen to you?
As I've attested many times, I lean left on many social issues. However, I can't imagine myself being pushed to Antifa-level 'leftness' by misguided White Supremacists, Sean Hannity and Alex Jones. And most folks would consider them to be- well, if not despicable, certainly 'deplorable.'
My thoughts and standards are my own... and I don't get 'pushed' by anyone.
Seriously- you're telling us that some of your ideology is formed in reaction to strangers you don't know?
just- wow. I'm not even sure how something like that would work. Really.
People are the problem, as I stated in an earlier post. drugs cant hurt you if you don't take them or if you take them as you should. now we can argue what people are the problem - the addict, the dr., the pharm companies - but regardless, it is still people that are the problem.
I am sorry, but just about every one of those things you pointed too I have an addiction too, never needed nor wanted heroin etc. I would be the top priority for you argument, I play video games, watch porn, eat a ton of candy, suffer from bi-polar depression, and the list goes on. the problem is its too easy to not to fight for a better life, so people don't and succumb to an easy way out, which is drugs
I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
Why would you ever allow something like this to happen to you?
As I've attested many times, I lean left on many social issues. However, I can't imagine myself being pushed to Antifa-level 'leftness' by misguided White Supremacists, Sean Hannity and Alex Jones. And most folks would consider them to be- well, if not despicable, certainly 'deplorable.'
My thoughts and standards are my own... and I don't get 'pushed' by anyone.
Seriously- you're telling us that some of your ideology is formed in reaction to strangers you don't know?
just- wow. I'm not even sure how something like that would work. Really.
Ever have a friend that starts doing things you disagree with? Then he keeps going further and further, and sooner or later you have to cut ties and disassociate yourself from them? I think that is what he meant.
Why is it so hard for people to condemn the violence on their side (the left)? I have heard repeatedly people on the right condemn the KKK, Nazi's, etc, but not one person condemns Antifa? Is it because you (they) approve?
So we've gone from downplaying the klan to taking away any sort of responsibility from dug companies on the opioids crisis.
And yet y'all wonder why I go hard in the paint on this board. I can't believe some of you guys actually believe that.
Big pharma knows exactly what they're doing. This is our American drug cartel, and it's the best in the world because they are licensed by the government to partake in this modern age drug trafficking amongst our people.
And yet we have multiple people who actually think these drug corporations have little to no responsibility, while the sick have no one to blame but themselves?
The opioid crisis, as well as big pharma insisting that the war on drugs continue is why they should be considered domestic terrorist as well.
But 40 thinks the bigger problem is that they need a tax cut.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I 100% disagree that anyone else is responsible for this epidemic than those among us who put too much of a good thing into our own bodies.
I used to agree with this. Then I saw 2 friends lives destroyed by opiate addiction. These were people with great careers and families.
Maybe placing total blame on big pharma is a little harsh as I do agree they took the medicine willingly, however prescribing something so addictive should not even be an option IMO.
I 100% disagree that anyone else is responsible for this epidemic than those among us who put too much of a good thing into our own bodies.
I used to agree with this. Then I saw 2 friends lives destroyed by opiate addiction. These were people with great careers and families.
Maybe placing total blame on big pharma is a little harsh as I do agree they took the medicine willingly, however prescribing something so addictive should not even be an option IMO.
I too have watched close friends and family go down the tubes with Opioids and I agree it is a terrible thing to watch.
There is nothing you can do for them until they decide to do for themselves. Once again, we are responsible for ourselves in life. Each of us makes those choices.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
Why would you ever allow something like this to happen to you?
As I've attested many times, I lean left on many social issues. However, I can't imagine myself being pushed to Antifa-level 'leftness' by misguided White Supremacists, Sean Hannity and Alex Jones. And most folks would consider them to be- well, if not despicable, certainly 'deplorable.'
My thoughts and standards are my own... and I don't get 'pushed' by anyone.
Seriously- you're telling us that some of your ideology is formed in reaction to strangers you don't know?
just- wow. I'm not even sure how something like that would work. Really.
It seems like you're reading too much into what I wrote? I think of myself as an independent who certainly leans right. You may find that to be comical at first, but what exactly have I proposed on these boards that is so radical? Is it my matter of fact style of writing? That I generally post the conservative side of things on a political board that has largely been taken over by progressives?
I find the Democratic party, and much of the left in general, to be highly distasteful and their often brazen identity politics (anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight, etc.) irritates me just as surely as when some far-right group does it to you and people close to you.
Maybe you can't see the Democratic party for what it is? What exactly did the Democratic party stand for during the 2016 election season? I've asked that a few times on here and have yet to hear much beyond that they didn't really stand for anything.
I 100% disagree that anyone else is responsible for this epidemic than those among us who put too much of a good thing into our own bodies.
I used to agree with this. Then I saw 2 friends lives destroyed by opiate addiction. These were people with great careers and families.
Maybe placing total blame on big pharma is a little harsh as I do agree they took the medicine willingly, however prescribing something so addictive should not even be an option IMO.
Someone I know, very well, went down an addiction pipe line. It wasn't opioids though. It was a benzodiazepine - (lorazepam - ativan).
It was hard to watch/see. He/she came out of it though. Thank God.
I 100% disagree that anyone else is responsible for this epidemic than those among us who put too much of a good thing into our own bodies.
I used to agree with this. Then I saw 2 friends lives destroyed by opiate addiction. These were people with great careers and families.
Maybe placing total blame on big pharma is a little harsh as I do agree they took the medicine willingly, however prescribing something so addictive should not even be an option IMO.
So again, it was a PERSON that the problem started and ended with. Not the drug.
Sup with this false narrative on progressives/liberals taking over this board?
This has and will always remain a right leaning board, and that was further solidified by Trump winning office.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Sup with this false narrative on progressives/liberals taking over this board?
This has and will always remain a right leaning board, and that was further solidified by Trump winning office.
Oh boy
We're already actively discussing the opioid crisis, antifa, KKK, and various other terrorist/hate groups.
But anyway, at one time I thought this was a conservative board. Correction, at one time it most certainly was. It has slowly but surely shifted to the left, to the point where the majority of posts come from the left. I think that's fair to say. Actually, now that I think about it, you account for a lot of them.
I'm basically an independent at heart-- there are actually some issues that I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
It's funny you say this because I feel just the opposite. I was hardcore Republican in my youth, but the party went to nutsville and I refused to make that trip. Then felt I would be independent, still am but the ideas of the left especially the progressive far left appeal much more to me than those of the right.
The right is always looking to lay blame, take from the poor and middle class then hand to the wealthy... I don't get why anyone believes in that crap. I loved Reagan, but he was wrong, entirely wrong. Trickle down doesn't trickle down.
My politics are all about making sure the middle class and the poor get a fair shake in a world run by the 1%, corporations, and corrupt government. I'm not about giving people things for free, but giving people 'real' opportunities to make good for themselves. The right used to be about this, but they are not now, they pretend to be but it's all lies.
The dems and Republicans are all bought and sold at every election. Honesty in politics is non-existent. The character of America is lost because our leaders have no character.
I miss the America of the 70s and 80s, but even those times were tougher than the 50s and 60s... Now America is almost unrecognizable to me. This must be why we die when we get old, so we don't have to witness the slow decay of life anymore.
I would never trade my childhood for one today, not in a million years. I struggle to see what kind of future is even possible for my grandkids. Will they have to buy bottled air? smh...
But I digress, I just don't understand why anyone would consider giving up more to this machine that the right seems to want to continue feeding.
I'm basically an independent at heart-- there are actually some issues that I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
It's funny you say this because I feel just the opposite. I was hardcore Republican in my youth, but the party went to nutsville and I refused to make that trip. Then felt I would be independent, still am but the ideas of the left especially the progressive far left appeal much more to me than those of the right.
The right is always looking to lay blame, take from the poor and middle class then hand to the wealthy... I don't get why anyone believes in that crap. I loved Reagan, but he was wrong, entirely wrong. Trickle down doesn't trickle down.
My politics are all about making sure the middle class and the poor get a fair shake in a world run by the 1%, corporations, and corrupt government. I'm not about giving people things for free, but giving people 'real' opportunities to make good for themselves. The right used to be about this, but they are not now, they pretend to be but it's all lies.
The dems and Republicans are all bought and sold at every election. Honesty in politics is non-existent. The character of America is lost because our leaders have no character.
I miss the America of the 70s and 80s, but even though times were those than the 50s and 60s... Now America is almost unrecognizable to me. This must be why we die when we get old, so we don't have to witness the slow decay of life anymore.
I would never trade my childhood for one today, not in a million years. I struggle to see what kind of future is even possible for my grandkids. Will they have to buy bottled air? smh...
But I digress, I just don't understand why anyone would consider giving up more to this machine that the right seems to want to continue feeding.
I find it funny that the left is always saying that the right is not for the poor or working class. Yet tax cuts effect EVERYONE. Everyone gets a cut. Also, look at who over the last multiple elections, the vast majority of corporate and wall street money went too....it was Trump or McCain, or Romney. The left of the 60's and 70's has been corrupted. They use the narrative of the past to falsely claim the current and future.
I'm basically an independent at heart-- there are actually some issues that I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
It's funny you say this because I feel just the opposite. I was hardcore Republican in my youth, but the party went to nutsville and I refused to make that trip. Then felt I would be independent, still am but the ideas of the left especially the progressive far left appeal much more to me than those of the right.
The right is always looking to lay blame, take from the poor and middle class then hand to the wealthy... I don't get why anyone believes in that crap. I loved Reagan, but he was wrong, entirely wrong. Trickle down doesn't trickle down.
My politics are all about making sure the middle class and the poor get a fair shake in a world run by the 1%, corporations, and corrupt government. I'm not about giving people things for free, but giving people 'real' opportunities to make good for themselves. The right used to be about this, but they are not now, they pretend to be but it's all lies.
The dems and Republicans are all bought and sold at every election. Honesty in politics is non-existent. The character of America is lost because our leaders have no character.
I miss the America of the 70s and 80s, but even those times were tougher than the 50s and 60s... Now America is almost unrecognizable to me. This must be why we die when we get old, so we don't have to witness the slow decay of life anymore.
I would never trade my childhood for one today, not in a million years. I struggle to see what kind of future is even possible for my grandkids. Will they have to buy bottled air? smh...
But I digress, I just don't understand why anyone would consider giving up more to this machine that the right seems to want to continue feeding.
So, where do you spend your money? Buying a tv, do you go to wal mart? Or the local mom and pop place, there it might cost an extra $50?
When buying appliances, where do you go? Big box stores? On line? Or the local mom and pop place, where it might cost an extra $50?
I agree that corruption runs deep on both sides. Tax cuts are MOSTLY for the rich, period. You can claim whatever but if you do a little research it's plain to see.
The far left, progressive wing cares more about people period. They don't have all the religious views that most who care on the right have, but they are more caring in many other ways.
This divide between Americans and most feeling forced to take a side is fairly new too. It used to be ok to be either party, it was just your politics, not what defined you. Today you are either a bigot or a snowflake. And I don't really think that all the right wingers are bigots, not by a long shot, just like I'm no snowflake. But I will say that there are many who are and they bring that with them to the right more than the left.
I won't name names, but there are several posters on here that I am sure are bigots or worse. Then you have the trolls and troglodytes as well. The left is full of it's special cases and a lot of young people who don't know crap. But the overall ideas are just better from my point of view, so I'll choose team left.
I agree that corruption runs deep on both sides. Tax cuts are MOSTLY for the rich, period. You can claim whatever but if you do a little research it's plain to see.
The far left, progressive wing cares more about people period. They don't have all the religious views that most who care on the right have, but they are more caring in many other ways.
This divide between Americans and most feeling forced to take a side is fairly new too. It used to be ok to be either party, it was just your politics, not what defined you. Today you are either a bigot or a snowflake. And I don't really think that all the right wingers are bigots, not by a long shot, just like I'm no snowflake. But I will say that there are many who are and they bring that with them to the right more than the left.
I won't name names, but there are several posters on here that I am sure are bigots or worse. Then you have the trolls and troglodytes as well. The left is full of it's special cases and a lot of young people who don't know crap. But the overall ideas are just better from my point of view, so I'll choose team left.
They care about their votes, plain and simple. They do not care about people - as emails from wiki showed us the racist ways of the lefts campaign. Or do you enjoy "taco bowls"
The overall ideas are to have complete control over the citizens, and for you to rely on them for every single thing. If you rely on them, you will vote for them. See how that works?
Sup with this false narrative on progressives/liberals taking over this board?
This has and will always remain a right leaning board, and that was further solidified by Trump winning office.
Oh boy
We're already actively discussing the opioid crisis, antifa, KKK, and various other terrorist/hate groups.
But anyway, at one time I thought this was a conservative board. Correction, at one time it most certainly was. It has slowly but surely shifted to the left, to the point where the majority of posts come from the left. I think that's fair to say. Actually, now that I think about it, you account for a lot of them.
the flaw in your logic is that you're going off of post count, not by actual posters themselves.
we might be a tad more active, but the number of right leaning posters outnumber the left leaning posters, and it isn't close.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Sup with this false narrative on progressives/liberals taking over this board?
This has and will always remain a right leaning board, and that was further solidified by Trump winning office.
Oh boy
We're already actively discussing the opioid crisis, antifa, KKK, and various other terrorist/hate groups.
But anyway, at one time I thought this was a conservative board. Correction, at one time it most certainly was. It has slowly but surely shifted to the left, to the point where the majority of posts come from the left. I think that's fair to say. Actually, now that I think about it, you account for a lot of them.
the flaw in your logic is that you're going off of post count, not by actual posters themselves.
we might be a tad more active, but the number of right leaning posters outnumber the left leaning posters, and it isn't close.
I agree that corruption runs deep on both sides. Tax cuts are MOSTLY for the rich, period. You can claim whatever but if you do a little research it's plain to see.
The far left, progressive wing cares more about people period. They don't have all the religious views that most who care on the right have, but they are more caring in many other ways.
This divide between Americans and most feeling forced to take a side is fairly new too. It used to be ok to be either party, it was just your politics, not what defined you. Today you are either a bigot or a snowflake. And I don't really think that all the right wingers are bigots, not by a long shot, just like I'm no snowflake. But I will say that there are many who are and they bring that with them to the right more than the left.
I won't name names, but there are several posters on here that I am sure are bigots or worse. Then you have the trolls and troglodytes as well. The left is full of it's special cases and a lot of young people who don't know crap. But the overall ideas are just better from my point of view, so I'll choose team left.
They care about their votes, plain and simple. They do not care about people - as emails from wiki showed us the racist ways of the lefts campaign. Or do you enjoy "taco bowls"
The overall ideas are to have complete control over the citizens, and for you to rely on them for every single thing. If you rely on them, you will vote for them. See how that works?
First, I don't claim Clinton; she was GOP lite.
Second, the rest of your statement sounds like you watch too much right wing propaganda.
Sup with this false narrative on progressives/liberals taking over this board?
This has and will always remain a right leaning board, and that was further solidified by Trump winning office.
Oh boy
We're already actively discussing the opioid crisis, antifa, KKK, and various other terrorist/hate groups.
But anyway, at one time I thought this was a conservative board. Correction, at one time it most certainly was. It has slowly but surely shifted to the left, to the point where the majority of posts come from the left. I think that's fair to say. Actually, now that I think about it, you account for a lot of them.
the flaw in your logic is that you're going off of post count, not by actual posters themselves.
we might be a tad more active, but the number of right leaning posters outnumber the left leaning posters, and it isn't close.
There are what, about 8 of us left wingers on here? Would love to see a thread that just said declare your political leanings in one word, right or left. It would be so lopsided.
There are what, about 8 of us left wingers on here? Would love to see a thread that just said declare your political leanings in one word, right or left. It would be so lopsided.
There was a time that those 8 left wingers (actually about 5 of you) were responsible for virtually every political thread created. It has balanced out a little now (key phrase... a little.)
I agree that corruption runs deep on both sides. Tax cuts are MOSTLY for the rich, period. You can claim whatever but if you do a little research it's plain to see.
The far left, progressive wing cares more about people period. They don't have all the religious views that most who care on the right have, but they are more caring in many other ways.
This divide between Americans and most feeling forced to take a side is fairly new too. It used to be ok to be either party, it was just your politics, not what defined you. Today you are either a bigot or a snowflake. And I don't really think that all the right wingers are bigots, not by a long shot, just like I'm no snowflake. But I will say that there are many who are and they bring that with them to the right more than the left.
I won't name names, but there are several posters on here that I am sure are bigots or worse. Then you have the trolls and troglodytes as well. The left is full of it's special cases and a lot of young people who don't know crap. But the overall ideas are just better from my point of view, so I'll choose team left.
They care about their votes, plain and simple. They do not care about people - as emails from wiki showed us the racist ways of the lefts campaign. Or do you enjoy "taco bowls"
The overall ideas are to have complete control over the citizens, and for you to rely on them for every single thing. If you rely on them, you will vote for them. See how that works?
First, I don't claim Clinton; she was GOP lite.
Second, the rest of your statement sounds like you watch too much right wing propaganda.
Don't watch news on TV, just watch the facts of policy and they conduct themselves. Maybe if some didn't watch too much left wing propaganda, they would realize and open their eyes.
Don't watch news on TV, just watch the facts of policy and they conduct themselves. Maybe if some didn't watch too much left wing propaganda, they would realize and open their eyes.
And the fact you think Hilary was right winged or "GOP Lite" is why the left cant win elections. The party has been taken over by communists, and will not budge on anything, and the USA has noticed.
I'm basically an independent at heart-- there are actually some issues that I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right.
It's funny you say this because I feel just the opposite. I was hardcore Republican in my youth, but the party went to nutsville and I refused to make that trip. Then felt I would be independent, still am but the ideas of the left especially the progressive far left appeal much more to me than those of the right.
The right is always looking to lay blame, take from the poor and middle class then hand to the wealthy... I don't get why anyone believes in that crap. I loved Reagan, but he was wrong, entirely wrong. Trickle down doesn't trickle down.
My politics are all about making sure the middle class and the poor get a fair shake in a world run by the 1%, corporations, and corrupt government. I'm not about giving people things for free, but giving people 'real' opportunities to make good for themselves. The right used to be about this, but they are not now, they pretend to be but it's all lies.
The dems and Republicans are all bought and sold at every election. Honesty in politics is non-existent. The character of America is lost because our leaders have no character.
I miss the America of the 70s and 80s, but even those times were tougher than the 50s and 60s... Now America is almost unrecognizable to me. This must be why we die when we get old, so we don't have to witness the slow decay of life anymore.
I would never trade my childhood for one today, not in a million years. I struggle to see what kind of future is even possible for my grandkids. Will they have to buy bottled air? smh...
But I digress, I just don't understand why anyone would consider giving up more to this machine that the right seems to want to continue feeding.
I think you're actually one of the more reasonable people on the left. I could find a lot more common ground with you than many others, that's for sure. There'd be a lot of disagreement as well, but that's true with pretty much everybody (including conservatives.)
I just think it's strange when someone's views match up exactly with somebody else's. That usually just means they're not thinking for themselves. We all have different dispositions and life experiences that lead us to thinking certain ways. That doesn't have to be hostile, but unfortunately, it often turns out that way in modern politics.
There are what, about 8 of us left wingers on here? Would love to see a thread that just said declare your political leanings in one word, right or left. It would be so lopsided.
There was a time that those 8 left wingers (actually about 5 of you) were responsible for virtually every political thread created. It has balanced out a little now (key phrase... a little.)
There hasn't been many new things to bash Trump and the GOP about. Trump is working with dems and the gop is still doing nothing... Add in a couple of hurricanes dominating the news cycle and all these political gaffes take a backseat on MSM.
I view it as a positive change in direction by Trump, or a slow catching of our second breath in protest.
I know that it is unusual to see a President reach across the aisle to get something done, but if that's what had to be done to get important relief efforts through, so be it.
Maybe someday you will see that the hatred directed at President Trump has been misguided.
I know that it is unusual to see a President reach across the aisle to get something done, but if that's what had to be done to get important relief efforts through, so be it.
Maybe someday you will see that the hatred directed at President Trump has been misguided.
Maybe someday you will see that the hatred directed at President Trump has been misguided.
I would agree with a fair amount of that. But I would say that a lot of the hatred directed at his predecessor was also misguided. But those who didn't like Obama didn't want to hear it at the time, though some have come to admit it since.
My disdain for him has a laser focus... and has existed for more than 30 years. He's had that long to change my mind, and has been an abject failure in that regard.
I was raised to uphold and respect character. He's the living embodiment of everything My Parents raised me to loathe.
When he does or says something that I agree with, I'll state it with no hesitation. That"s my upbringing. But respect? He's had 35 years to earn that, and it would take a 180° flip in character. He's already 71. I don't think he has enough time left to pull off something like that.
My post obviously flew over your head, but whatever. I condemn the extremists on both sides. Like others, I dislike it when people only present the data on one side.
You mean what you have been doing by trying to downplay the violence of white nationalists and fellow alt-righters? I know you won't claim to be alt-right, but you do mimic a lot of their talking points. Tomi Lahren has said the same thing, disbelieving KKK and alt-right murders. Do you think the KKK just sits around and reads Thomas Paine all day? For someone, like yourself, who loves to look into violence at protests, you sure have ignored the 3 people stabbed by a KKK member at Berkley last year as well as the KKK Imperial Wizard who was charged with attempted murder after shooting his gun at a black guy.
To tell you the truth, I don't really know what the KKK does. I didn't even think they were around until recently when I asked in one of these threads if they were, and OCD assured me that they were. He said to google upcoming Klan rallies or something of the sort and I'd really rather not have that in my search history, so I took him at his word.
For the violence you have laid out: I have not heard of most of it until now. I did read about Charlottesville some and I came across one tidbit about a black guy with a homemade flamethrower that he was.. ahem.. firing at some group, and another guy came over and fired a warning shot. [edit: I think you are talking about something else?]
That's all I really know about it. I don't know who they were or what the context was. Due to my ignorance, I think it's best to let the justice system sort that one out.
As for your thinly-veiled insinuations: no I'm not alt-right lol. It's still not entirely clear to me what that is although I've done enough reading on it at this point to at least have a semi-coherent idea about what it is, what the difference is between 'alt-right' and 'alt-light' and all that. I'm basically an independent at heart-- there are actually some issues that I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right. I don't even know what I'd call myself, maybe some mix of conservative/right-wing/libertarian/free speech-ish mix. I tolerate the Republican party because the alternative is intolerable.
I wonder where you get your news. You claim you're not alt-right or alt-lite (I've never heard of this term myself, but I don't need to search for answers in those waters.), but how you describe events comes from the mouths of those on that side. Even how you describe the attempted murder, which there is video btw, sounds like a KKK narrative. I'd post the video of the attempted murder and "fired at the ground", but it contains him saying, "Hey [N-word]" before he fires his gun at the dude's head. Luckily no bullet was in the chamber, but his next shoot he does aim at the ground besides the protester. There's also video of the same protester threatening to kill other people at the protest while grabbing his weapon. I think the news you're reading may be leading you astray.
We must be referring to different incidents. Here's a video of the one I'm referring to:
What I see is a black man aiming a literal flamethrower at a group of people coming down steps. Somebody steps in and fires a shot in the guy's general vicinity, and then walks away.
A strange encounter no doubt. Like I said, I have no idea who these people are or what they stand for. I don't hear the "Hey [n-word]" that you're referring to or see any evidence of KKK in this video. Care to clarify?
edit: that view actually doesn't show the flamethrower guy very well, but other views (and tweets) make it very clear it is a black guy. This is the incident I thought you were referring to when you talked about attempted murder on a black guy in one of your posts. As I said, we must be referring to different events.
