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Clinton State Department silenced them on Benghazi security lapses, contractors say

EXCLUSIVE: Security at the State Department's Benghazi compound was so dire that another contractor was brought in to clean up the mess just two weeks before the 2012 terror attack – and was later pressured to keep quiet by a government bureaucrat under then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to two men from the American security company.

Brad Owens and Jerry Torres, of Torres Advanced Enterprise Solutions, say they faced pressure to stay silent and get on the same page with the State Department with regard to the security lapses that led to the deaths of four Americans.

They spoke exclusively with Fox News for “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” revealing new information that undermines the State Department's account of the 2012 terror attack in Benghazi, where Islamic militants launched a 13-hour assault from Sept. 11-12 that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, foreign service officer Sean Smith and former Navy SEALS Ty Woods and Glenn Doherty.

Torres Advanced Enterprise Solutions provides security for U.S. embassy and consulate personnel around the world in some of the most dangerous locations spanning Africa, the Middle East and South America, according to the firm.

Jerry Torres remains haunted by the fact specific bureaucrats and policies remain in the State Department after the Benghazi attack despite the change in administrations. "A U.S. ambassador is dead and nobody is held accountable for it. And three guys … all died trying to defend him," said Torres, the company’s CEO and a former Green Beret.

Asked if there was a specific effort by a senior State Department contracting officer to silence them, Torres said, "Absolutely, absolutely."

Owens, a former Army intelligence officer, echoed his colleague, saying those “who made the poor choices that actually, I would say, were more responsible for the Benghazi attacks than anyone else, they're still in the same positions, making security choices for our embassies overseas now."

In 2012, Owens was the American company’s point man in Libya with extensive experience in the region. After the death of Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi in the fall of 2011, Owens stressed to Fox News it was well-known that Islamic radicals including Al Qaeda-tied militias were pouring into the region and security “had deteriorated considerably.”

Based on documents reviewed by Fox News, Torres Advanced Enterprise Solutions bid on the Benghazi compound security contract in the spring of 2012. But the State Department awarded the deal to a U.K.-based operation called The Blue Mountain Group.

Owens, who had personally visited the Benghazi compound to assess security, was shocked. "Blue Mountain U.K. is a teeny, tiny, little security company registered in Wales that had never had a diplomatic security contract, had never done any high threat contracts anywhere else in the world that we've been able to find, much less in high threat areas for the U.S. government. They had a few guys on the ground," he said.

According to Torres, the Blue Mountain Group came in 4 percent lower than their bid – and they challenged the decision, claiming the American company should have been preferred over the foreign one.

Torres said State Department contracting officer Jan Visintainer responded that the State Department had the “latitude to apply” that preference or not.

And there was more: The Blue Mountain Group hired guards through another company who were not armed.

Problems soon arose. One month before the attack -- in August 2012, with The Blue Mountain Group still in charge of compound security -- Ambassador Stevens and his team alerted the State Department via diplomatic cable that radical Islamic groups were everywhere and that the temporary mission compound could not withstand a "coordinated attack." The classified cable was first reported by Fox News.

By Aug. 31, 2012, the situation had deteriorated to the point that Owens and Torres said the State Department asked them to intervene – as Owens put it, an "admission of the mistake of choosing the wrong company."

"They came back to us and said, ‘Can you guys come in and take over security?’ Owens said. “So we were ready.”

But Torres emphasized that time was against them, saying it would have taken two-to-three weeks to get set up.

Twelve days later, the ambassador was killed. Torres learned of the attacks by watching television. He called the circumstances leading up to the tragedy "bad decision-making from top to bottom."

“There was nothing we could've done about it. If we'd had one month warning … who knows what might've happened,” Owens said.

In the chaotic days following that attack, the Obama White House blamed the attacks on an anti-Islam video and demonstration which was not accurate. As a former Green Beret, Torres was stunned: "Coming from a military background, I would expect the administration to tell the truth. So I bought into it for a minute. But I didn't believe it in the back of my mind.” He said they later figured out the video was not the culprit. The attack was a coordinated terrorist assault which included a precision mortar strike on the CIA post in Benghazi.

But as the Obama administration and Clinton’s team struggled to answer questions about the attacks, Visintainer apparently took it one step further -- summoning Jerry Torres from overseas to attend a meeting at her government office in Rosslyn, Va., in early 2013.

Torres took Fox News back to the Virginia office building where he recalled that day's events.

"[Visintainer] said that I and people from Torres should not speak to the media, should not speak to any officials with respect to the Benghazi program,” he said.

Torres said he was afraid for his company – and hasn’t spoken publicly until now.

"We had about 8,000 employees at the time. You know, we just didn't need that level of damage because these guys, their livelihood relies on the company,” he said. “I trust that our U.S. government is going to follow chain of command, follow procedures, follow protocols and do the right thing."

Another part of that conversation stuck out to Torres. He said Visintainer told him “in her opinion, that guards should not be armed at U.S. embassies. She just made that blanket statement. … And she said that they weren't required in Benghazi. So I was kind of confused about that. And she said that she would like my support in saying that if that came up. And I looked at her. I just didn't respond."

The State Department declined Fox News’ request to make Visintainer available for an interview, or have her answer written email questions.

The Blue Mountain Group did not immediately respond to questions from Fox News.

Torres and Owens said repercussions against their company continue to this day – and that of the 20 security force contracts they’ve bid on since that conversation, they’ve lost 18.

Torres and Owens are concerned another attack like the one in Benghazi could happen again because the same State Department employees responsible for the Benghazi contract remain in place and the contracting rules are outdated.

"In 1990, Congress passed a law that required contracts of this nature to go to the lowest bidder that's technically acceptable," Owens explained. "Now, what that has created is a race to the bottom, is what we call it. So basically, every company tries to cut every corner they can for these contracts."

The men say they are hopeful that changes will come with the Trump administration’s promise to "drain the swamp."

"Let's just say there's been a change at management at Department of State," Owens said. "I feel now that, given that the politics has been taken out of the Benghazi situation, now that there's no longer a candidate or anything related to it, a change of administrations, that actually, we have an opportunity here to fix the problems that made it happen."

On the fifth anniversary, Torres said he thinks about the four families who lost a father, a brother or a son in the 2012 attack, and feels sorry "for not bringing this up earlier. For not actually being there, on the ground and taking care of these guys."

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BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI!!!!!!

say it three times in the mirror, and Hillary will appear with her emails!!

oh, fox news something something snowflake terrorist.


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BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI!!!!!!

say it three times in the mirror, and Hillary will appear with her emails!!

oh, fox news something something snowflake terrorist.

Luckily for me, I didn't pay much attention to the story the first time around. Now that it is front page news again I may just have to change that.

Some of the tidbits about the woeful lack of security are quite perplexing. The suggestion is that this an ongoing problem-- if so, our diplomats deserve so much better.

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Our diplomats also deserve not to have their funding cut by a republican congress, which lead to a lack of security personnel at embassies.


fox news conveniently fails to highlight that.


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Some of the tidbits about the woeful lack of security are quite perplexing.


Not really.
Follow the money- or lack it- to get your explanation.


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our diplomats deserve so much better.

Then drop the freakkin' hammer on those in congress who cut funding. Screw e-mails (or not- I really care) people are dead because of money. Typical.


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Oh look... seems I'm not alone in this.

Here's something to consider, Haus. For all the talk out there about the slanted liberal media, I find that some of the most outraged are self-censoring their sources to provide a comforting, self-reinforcing bubble.

Many's the time I've read you remarking; "I was unaware of such-" or "This wasn't on my RADAR until just now-"

I suggest it's because your sources are suppressing many of the 'tidbits' that seem to take you by surprise.

I may lean Left, but I also make a point of including Wall St. Journal, Bloomberg, Op-Eds from Heritage Found, etc. in my regular diet. I NEVER go to FOX

Why?
-because I get a steady diet of their- 'product' from my fellow Dawgs here in PP.

I can't recall ANY time FOX covered the funding cut angle. Adds an extra dimension of context, don't you think?

p.s. I never go to MSNBC for the same reasons I ignore FOX: both sources are flip sides of the same cynical, mis-minted coin


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If you go through my post history, you will see that I fairly regularly post stuff from liberal outlets such as MSNBC, CNN (although I regret even visiting that dirty site), Washington Post, Politico, even Huffington Post.

I'll also post stuff from Fox, Breitbart, Heritage Foundation, or some of the newer sites in the right-wing ecosystem like DailyMail or whatever.

There's also some mostly balanced stuff out there although they're relatively harder to come up with. USA Today, perhaps.

It seems like you and I are in agreement about seeking out a variety of sources. I know your comments were largely directed at me (of course I disagree ;)) but I do know what you're saying.

The thing is though, both sides do it. We each have our own views, largely dictated from disposition and personal experiences and such. Then we read various sources and gravitate toward the ones we find agreeable. Those become part of our routine and they further reinforce the views we were already predisposed toward to begin with.

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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
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Some of the tidbits about the woeful lack of security are quite perplexing.


Not really.
Follow the money- or lack it- to get your explanation.


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our diplomats deserve so much better.

Then drop the freakkin' hammer on those in congress who cut funding. Screw e-mails (or not- I really care) people are dead because of money. Typical.

An optimistic take: President Trump did recently reach across the aisle to secure funding for hurricane victims. In doing so, he put the GOP on notice that if they don't play ball, he'll find others who will. Perhaps a similar thing could happen here.

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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Many's the time I've read you remarking; "I was unaware of such-" or "This wasn't on my RADAR until just now-"

I suggest it's because your sources are suppressing many of the 'tidbits' that seem to take you by surprise.

As long as we're going to derail this thread before it even gets started (fine by me really-- it probably wasn't worth a new thread anyway), I do have something to say about this.

I find it odd how so many people seem to be experts at everything. They know everything about the economy, international trade deals, climate change, science, immigration, religion, sports, politics, they know the exact participants and actions in every political rally there is, and on and on it goes.

And here I am wondering where people come up with all this time. I assume most of us are busy in our personal lives with work, school, family, and other obligations. Many of the above are full time jobs or hobbies in their own right so I just accept the fact that I can't know everything about every single topic.

If I know something really well then I feel that should be self-evident. In some cases I come across a topic that I don't know a whole lot about, and maybe I'll share what I know and also say what I don't know. It's just irritating when others try to use that as some sort of a negative. I look at it more as a matter of open and honest dialogue.

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I don't see how bringing up that a Republican congress cut funding for security at our embassies is derailing the thread. It seems to me to be pertinent information unless you only wish to focus on one side of the information.

It seems you find plenty of time to look into the side of things you wish to promote. So I'm not sure why you find it odd that others do the same. Finger pointing is not attractive.


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I don't see how bringing up that a Republican congress cut funding for security at our embassies is derailing the thread. It seems to me to be pertinent information unless you only wish to focus on one side of the information.

It seems you find plenty of time to look into the side of things you wish to promote. So I'm not sure why you find it odd that others do the same. Finger pointing is not attractive.

That was not what I was referring to when I talked about derailing the thread. Rather, it was about using a variety of news sources, and my rambling about 'knowing what I know' and wanting to be upfront and honest about that.

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An optimistic take: President Trump did recently reach across the aisle to secure funding for hurricane victims. In doing so, he put the GOP on notice that if they don't play ball, he'll find others who will.


Yup. And he got props from me when he did it.
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9+ investigations and millions of dollars and you seriously think this is breaking news? Meanwhile there is an idiot ruining the country but at least he's flying the GOP banner in name only.


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9+ investigations. Where witnesses were told to stand down possibly?

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The key word is possibly.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
The key word is possibly.


Dang right. Possibly. So, what's your point? Wouldn't you like to hear from them? In the interest of facts and such?

Or, is shutting them up reasonable.

If there is new info, wouldn't you want to hear it if you were the unbiased investigator? Truth is truth, false is false. Shouldn't really take much to determine, should it?

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I'm open to hearing any information that may shed more light on the situation. I am interested in how many investigations people think Hillary should get before it stops as well. I think there has been nine so far. So is that number twelve, fifteen? I'm just curious.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
9+ investigations. Where witnesses were told to stand down possibly?



Well 'possibly' the GOP investigations were rigged and they weren't headhunting HRC. Or possibly this is just another distraction from what's really happening RIGHT NOW! Or possibly the sky is green and you only think it's blue because of the Liberal brain transmissions that can only be blocked with a tin foil hat!

Nope. None of that is true, so I stand by my original comment.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I'm open to hearing any information that may shed more light on the situation. I am interested in how many investigations people think Hillary should get before it stops as well. I think there has been nine so far. So is that number twelve, fifteen? I'm just curious.


I don't know the number. How about this: After ALL the information is known by some investigator. Not after some investigator is shut down in his/her pursuit of the truth.

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Well, if that even really happened, yes.


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Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion and this is from June.

Hillary is catching up.

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Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion and this is from June.

Hillary is catching up.


Sad lies and propaganda from the altright. Hillary has nothing to do with the Russian investigation that is slowly exposing Trump.


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He either still isn't smart enough to figure out or willing to admit that the Republicans are in charge of these investigations except for the one in which the special prosecutor was appointed by a Republican. lmao


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