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WASHINGTON (AP) — The top House and Senate Democrats said Wednesday they had reached agreement with President Donald Trump to protect thousands of younger immigrants from deportation and fund some border security enhancements — not including Trump's long-sought border wall.

The agreement, the latest instance of Trump ditching his own party to make common cause with the opposition, was announced by Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi following a White House dinner that Republican lawmakers weren't invited to attend. It would enshrine protections for the nearly 800,000 immigrants brought illegally to this country as kids who had benefited from former President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program, which provided temporary work permits and shielded recipients from deportation.

Trump ended the program earlier this month and gave Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix before the statuses of the so-called "Dreamers" begin to expire.

"We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that's acceptable to both sides," Pelosi and Schumer said in a joint statement.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders partially disputed their characterization, saying over Twitter that "excluding the wall was certainly not agreed to."

Either way, it was the second time in two weeks that Trump cut out Republicans to reach a deal with Pelosi and Schumer. A person briefed on the meeting, who demanded anonymity to discuss it, said the deal specifies bipartisan legislation called the DREAM Act that provides eventual citizenship for the young immigrants.

House Republicans would normally rebel over such an approach, which many view as amnesty for law-breakers. It remains to be seen how conservatives' loyalty to Trump will affect their response to a policy they would have opposed under other circumstances.

The House's foremost immigration hardliner, GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, made clear that he, for one, was not happy.

Addressing Trump over Twitter, King wrote that if the reports were true, "Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible."

Earlier Wednesday, during a White House meeting with moderate House members from both parties, Trump had urged lawmakers to come up with a bipartisan solution for the "Dreamers."

"We don't want to forget DACA," Trump told the members at the meeting. "We want to see if we can do something in a bipartisan fashion so that we can solve the DACA problem and other immigration problems."

Foreshadowing what was to take place later that evening, Trump said he would be open to separating the wall issue from the question of the younger immigrants, as long as the wall got dealt with eventually.

At Thursday night's dinner, "the president was clear he would press for the wall but separate from this agreement," said Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill.

The apparent deal is the latest example of Trump's sudden pivot to bipartisanship after months of railing against Democrats as "obstructionist." He has also urged them to join him in overhauling the nation's tax code, among other priorities.

Trump, who was deeply disappointed by Republicans' failure to make good on years of promises to repeal "Obamacare," infuriated many in his party last week when he reached a three-month deal with Schumer and Pelosi to raise the debt ceiling, keep the government running and speed relief to states affected by recent hurricanes.

"More and more we're trying to work things out together," Trump explained Wednesday, calling the development a "positive thing" for both parties.

"If you look at some of the greatest legislation ever passed, it was done on a bipartisan manner. And so that's what we're going to give a shot," he said.

The "Kumbaya" moment now appears to extend to the thorny issue of immigration, which has been vexing lawmakers for years. Funding for Trump's promised wall had been thought to be a major point of contention between Republicans and Democrats as they attempted to forge a deal — yet by Thursday, Trump was apparently ready to deal even on that issue, the one that most defined his campaign for president last year.

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Two things are unfolding right now.

1. Trump is officially fed up with the Republican Party, particularly the far right conservatives, and is finally going back to a more liberal side. The side he's lived on his entire life right up until it was time to get into politics. Republican Party acts like gangs in a turf war, so there's virtually nothing they can get done amongst each other without petty spats breaking out. While the Dems have weakened power, they are United, and Trump has found hat working with them is a lot easier and more pleasant.

2. The Dems finally figured out that the only thing trump cares about is trump. He doesn't care what sort of deal is out there, as long as it projects the image of him winning. While the main objective was to save lives, they knew trump needed a win, and they provided that with this aid package that is a massive win for the people. Trump has seen his poll numbers slightly rise for the first time in a while, and the Dems know that trump is gonna migrate closer to the left if that means more wins for him, and better poll numbers.

Either way you choose to look at this, the reality is most trump supporters won't be happy with this immigration plan. No wall in the deal, protection of 800k illegals, and he image of being buddy buddy with the Dems? His base won't like this, the republican establishment is already throwing hissy fits, and Fox News slowly continues to up the criticism.

Trump is gonna go where the wins are, conservative base or not.

Bold prediction:don't be surprised if he ends up supporting Bernie sanders Medicare for all bill.

Paul Ryan should've taken the hint that he wanted something done that would make it permanent law rather than act a fool.

This just might light a fire under the rights rear end to actually do something substantive.

I think the Dream Act is fundamentally fair, it just needs some work to clarify things such as "demonstrate good moral character" and the background checks. Document exactly what those mean for both conditional resident status and permanent resident status, and penalties for breaking those for those with conditional resident status.

I even chatted with my dad about this, who is mega maga, and he agreed overall (but only for the DACA kids, despite me stating that explicitly).

First: This is hilarious!

Second: I agree with your observations. And a trump being led by liberals in bipartisan legislation where Trump represents the entire GOP; BRILLIANT!

Third: If he back's Bernie's bill, huge win for everyone!

Fourth: We may not see 40 for days...

It could go that direction.

However, the more likely response is a slow movement toward disassociation with the trump administration by the GOP.

Trump may have taken the heat off of Paul Ryan, as now the GOP can go back to what they're actually good at: complaining and obstructing progress. The party of no is coming back.

Bro I just got out of class, checked my timeline, and smiled as I've seen a bunch of conservatives whining their ass off.

Remember folks, while there are a few who will claim otherwise, the GOP and trump ran off the platform of not being bipartisan, and their base ate it up. Now? It's a betrayal. Love the tears flowing right now on social media.

Progressives win again, OCD!!

Well, being one of Trump's base, I would say you are full of it on that post.

Take this poll for what it's worth: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/13/congress-approval-rating-remains-low-september/

Congress’s approval rating remains at its lowest point this year for the second month in a row, according to a new Gallup poll released Wednesday.

The poll shows a congressional approval rating of 16 percent for early September, the same number Congress garnered in early August. Lawmakers were in recess for most of August, so the early September number is likely a reflection of minimal activity.

Congress‘ highest rating this year was 28 percent in February, the first poll taken after President Trump and the new Congress were sworn in. The number has fairly consistently dropped since then.

Republicans’ approval of Congress, which their party controls, also remains low at 18 percent. This is up from the August number at 16 percent, but a steep drop from the 50 percent approval back in February.

The poll was taken Sept. 6-10 among 1,022 adults via telephone interviews with a margin of error of +/- of 4 percent.

It is what is is. Republican's have the house, senate, and 1600 Penn Ave and they still won't get off their duffs and get to work. It's no wonder their approval rating polls have been at historical lows for years. They're just plain lazy.

Your boyfriend doesn't care about 1st, 2nd, or 3rd base anymore.

They've had a low approval rating for years now, yet that hadn't stopped people from
Voting the same people into office every election.

" I hate the establishment and congress fails the people....but I'm going to keep voting for the same person in my district because <insert ridiculous logic>."

Isn't there something about the wall in there that trump didn't agree too? I thought I read that somewhere.

Republicans have the false belief that they swept into office and brought Trump with them.

They have a rude awakening coming in the Primaries this year.

I do think Lindsey Graham has figured it out and has been trying to work more with President Trump.

he didn't like that the wall won't be funded, but stated that it will be a separate issue from DACA.

the longer this goes, the more likely scenario is that the wall won't be happening. an increase in border security will, and that's obviously fine, but the wall probably isn't going anywhere.

LOL

Before Trump, "Chuck and Nancy" were dirty words. Now that Trump is working with them? They're lovely people.

lol pretty much.

all well. at least he's doing something instead of complaining about it on twitter. i'd say that's progress.

Trump just said from Florida that we need security and surveillance but nothing will happen unless we get the WALL!

right, but with regards to this deal with the DACA, what i stated is what he said.

He said the deal did not include the wall, tremendous border security, the wall will come later... lol.

Breitbart called him "Amnesty Don".

Steve King tweeted:

@RealDonaldTrump If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible.

This is exactly what was said...

Trump: “If there’s not a wall, we’re doing nothing”

President Trump told reporters Thursday that he won't "do anything" regarding DACA unless the border wall becomes a reality, not necessarily in the legislation he's discussing with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to replace DACA, but at some point in the future:

"Very important is the wall. We have to be sure the wall isn't obstructed because without the wall I wouldn't do anything... It doesn't have to be here but they can't obstruct the wall if its in a budget or anything else."

yea i saw that tweet. starting to turn on their own.

you are reading this properly, correct?

the deal with Nancy and Chuck have nothing to do with the Wall, however he isn't gonna sign a budget bill unless the wall is included.

so again, the deal with DACA is a separate issue.

Also saw Trump say something about the rich paying more taxes... not sure what that was about but LMAO!

Keep on wishing and hoping but it ain't happening except in Libby World.

yea he said that the rich might pay more, and his tax reform isn't aimed at helping the rich at all.

i'm telling you bro, i think Trump is fed up with the GOP and decided to see what the Dems are talking about.

if this happens, the GOP has nobody to blame but themselves.

not wishing and hoping, just an ability to read. you're in the denial stage. it's ok, we're here for your support :)))))

He used to be a dem, Ivanka and Jared (top two most trusted advisers) are dems now, so it really isn't that much of a leap. Chuck and Nancy make him feel like he's winning and he got a small bump in his numbers after dealing with them last week. We all know Trump cares more about how he looks, rather he's liked, and rather he wins than anything else in the universe... 40 is going to lose it.

yep, and if getting liberal policies passed mean Trump's ego gets stroked, so be it.

Nancy and Co. figured out the game and how to team up with the star player.

conservatives: don't hate the player, hate the game.

Yea, like I was in denial about your accusations of Collusion and Russia and Obstruction and every other hysterical bandwagon you guys have jumped on in the last year.

Yep 40, if you feel you can't hold your head up I'll lend you support old buddy. I have an old jock strap I'll lend you to hold it up. It's held a nut or two up before.

j/c

How can you believe anything he says really. One day he says one thing and the next day he says something different. White man speak with forked tongue.

Like I said, your posts and the title of this thread are hogwash.

Pelosi and Schumer clarified the language of their earlier statement, distinguishing the difference between the “agreement” they announced Wednesday night and an actual deal, noting that Trump’s tweets were not inconsistent with their conversation.

“As we said last night, there was no final deal, but there was an agreement.

-But you guys did have some fun with all this and that is all that really counts in the world of FAKE NEWS!

What happens/happened to the parents of DACA kids? That's kind of a big old turd setting out there that Barry failed to address with his feel good EO.

Blame Yahoo., not Swish. The headlineof the Yahoo article he posted is "Democrats say they have deal with Trump on young immigrants". Eerily similar to the title of the thread, hmmm. (posts I won't speak to)

Step back and show yer hands there clwb.

I blame Swish for reading and believing that Yahoo crap!

Another Yayhoo created by Yahoo.

Now back out the door and peace be to ya.

what's wrong with the link?

they have an agreement, so it will be interesting to see if the GOP will honor it, or throw a hissy fit like you do all the time.

40 hates progress. nobody on this board *should* be surprised.

No son, there is no agreement, there is no deal and there were no negotiations. There was only dinner, discussions and an understanding.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/14/paul-rya...ts-on-daca.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...nd-daca-n801236

Pelosi and I put out last night was exactly accurate," said Schumer. "We have reached an understanding on this issue. We have to work out details, and we can work together on a border security package with the White House and get DACA on the floor quickly."

And all that stuff you and OCD went on about with Trumps base being up in arms, well let me ask the crowd here...

Trump?
BOOYAH! TRUMP!

Looks like it's gonna happen between them.

Also, you still stated false information. The wall isn't a deal breaker with DACA, the budget is though.

You can try to spin, but trump is crossing over and working with the Dems now. Your GOP leaders are salty.

Sorry but Trump is simply being Trump.

He is rattling the cage and getting her done!

DACA
Tax Cuts
Tax Reform
Repatriation
Immigration Reform