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Oh, well I kinda knew I was on that list anyway but, I too have had a "have a nice night" directed to me. [color:#6600CC]And, here I was naively thinking somebody was just being polite. [/color]

you said break!

Right now, I feel we paid about 30 M too much. Get us Leslie (?) back. Last pre he looked inspired. Britt hasn't managed much at all so far. Nice work if you can find it, I guess.

We all know that answer to that one by now, don't we?

I don't know if he is an atrocious play caller but he sure does abandon the run. Maybe he knows our running game sucks, though.

I thought there was a chance to keep running when their DL went out of the game ... at least give it a shot (we were only down 10 in the 3rd quarter).

Either way, I felt the game was lost when they missed the fg, we threw the INT, and they scored at the gun before the half. Man, that was a KILLER ... and typical.

It's not just abandoning the run though. It's treating Kizer like a 5 year vet. It's dumb play calls that completely ignore situational football. There appears to be no rhyme, reason, or flow to the offense other than to make a big strike downfield.

It was pretty evident when Hogan came in. Several big strikes which is what Hue likes. Hogan was able to execute them because he's got a little more experience than Kizer but it eventually led to a turnover.

It's hard to tell what Hue is trying to get done on O.

Would you share your expertise w/us regarding play calling? Have you ever been an OC before? At what level?

Can you tell us the blocking schemes we are using? Can you describe the route trees for us? Can you tell us who the primary receivers and who the secondary receivers are on each of these routes?

A couple weeks ago, you said something about Hue being the worst play caller in the NFL. Today, you said there is no rhyme or reason to the offense. You said that it's dumb to ignore situational football. Can you explain how you know all of this, please?

Here is what I think. I believe that none of us really know much about Hue's plays. I think we don't understand the blocking schemes, the route trees, the progressions, etc. I think we say it's "good playcalling" when things work and it's "bad playcalling" when things don't work.

I have mentioned this several times and you keep ignoring it, but how did Hue get dumber from his time w/the Bengals to now?

I think the answer is that he hasn't. Instead, I think the answer is that this team is a lot more inexperienced than the Bengal team and has less talent.

Now, you and that little group of posters who offer absolutely no football can team up again and make fun of me. No problem. But, it won't change the fact that you are making pretty damning claims against Hue w/out justification.

One of the positives in this game was Higgins and Lewis. I think both looked pretty good.

Kizer's best throw of the game went to Louis on the hot read.. If we can get more of that type of awareness from Kizer, we might have something.

When they do get open, we don't have a QB that has an accurate toss to hit them. Hogan was delivering well placed balls and etc, but he's not our starter.

... but they hardly seem to get open.

for the first time we saw Higgins play like Hollywood. I don't know if he can continue this but it is why I had a 2nd round grade on this kid coming out. unfortunately again Coleman showed why he was a receiver I had a 3rd round grade on. Kid cant stay healthy.

Right now these guys are being given the opportunity to be the guy. With coleman likely out 2 months, Higgins, Duke, Louis and Williams has to step up. BTW Duke catch was the best catch ever by a RB and is one of the best catches I have ever seen period.

Britt please be nice and give coates a ride out of town.

Confirmed: Broken hand for Coleman

so what does that mean? Maybe miss 4-6 weeks? honestly, who even cares

Well...it might mean he goes on IR and we free up a roster spot.

It's not that the WRs are not getting open it's that Kizer is so slow to read the field that when they do get open it takes him too long to make the choice to get it to them. Hogan should be starting because he sure didn't have a problem moving the ball.

No they are not. Our WR's aren't getting open in a consistent base, they are for the most completely shut out.

Problem isn't with the rookie QB, problem is that we have no talent in skill positions.

In 2/3 games the situation is going to be worst, has the rookies start to manage the game, take less risks and throw the ball away.

Pass O cannot be an excuse for bad running O,and a bad running O is a sign of a badly coached, badly managed team.

LOL.........I think you are both right and both wrong.

A couple of things:

--We can't see all of the routes on each given play due to TV coverage, so know one can say w/any certainty that they are always covered or always open.

--We have seen receivers open at times.

--A few shots provided us w/a camera shot from behind Kizer and it looked like the other team had our guys blanketed.

--I don't think anyone can question that Kize has been off-target at times or that our receivers have dropped too many balls or that our receivers are not always getting open.

Texans cut WR Jaelen Strong... Will Sashi bite?

young, maybe high sparq? we'll see

Strong got suspended for substance abuse awhile ago.

Indications are #Browns are bringing back WR Jordan Leslie. Good. Never should have been cut.

https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/909906036601053186

Championship!

This is good news, now get Rasheed Bailey back too.

or do you mean Hall?

Or Richard Mullaney ....

Maybe Jordan Payton .... or Marion Alford .....

or Willie Snead and Taylor Gabriel forgot lance moore.

or that WR from Iowa who tore it up in camp like 15 years ago

We could have 5 Jordan Leslies and I wouldn't care.. the guy plays hungry. We need that. An example needs to be set. Play hard or get the hell of the field...

I thought Bailey played decent enough to make the team in preseason. Leslie should have made the team.

As for the snide comments about all the others... You guys are so funny ha ha...

who is the Browns WR coach? Could he be part of the problem? For the Steelers, Richard Mann has been absolutely fantastic in coaching WR, instrumental in the development of Antonio Brown, Eli Rogers (UDFA) and many others.

Corey Coleman is not an elite #! WR. He would though be a perfect #2. He does have speed and showed improvement earlier this season. I just do not see him as a 100 catch man or someone to target when the game is on the line. Does not have the catch radius of the best receivers in the game.

Al Saunders is one most respected coaches in all of football. He ain't the problem, mom.

ok - i wasn't aware of that. thanks for the info.

You're welcome.

Btw----------Yesterday, I kept getting text from some family members thanking the Browns for giving the Steelers Haden. You might know that my wife is from Pittsburgh and our family is split between being Brown's and Steelers' fans.

Here is one text I received during the game.

"Thanks for giving us Haden. His coverage is allowing our front seven time to pressure the qb."

I replied w/an angry face emoji.

Indications? What are these?

We do still also have two spots on the PS available too.

Those indications were a Snapchat pic that Leslie posted that said " Back to Cleveland "

Cool

JC...

I haven't watched every single play and like some have pointed out the camera rarely wonders downfield for anyone to get a chance to see..

However I have noticed a vast majority of our plays the WRs are sent downfield (alot more common than our norm) because I literally always see them shooting straight vs crossing or coming across after the jam. Seems like we are aiming more downfield than usual.

In the shotgun formation we are running...seems to be hindering our offense. I watched the Titans game (mind you Mariota hasn't been tearing it up this year despite their 2-0 record) And they run the shotgun formation nearly every play...Big difference he is quick actioned and accurate...opposite of Kizer...We are tailoring the offense to Kizer, and he isn't up to speed and thus hindering our offense...No way around it.
Tennessee RBs despite being bigger backs, turn the corner and find creases a lot better than Crowell as well.

I can't comment too much on the WRs...because a majority of the plays Kizer is god awful in the pocket and the play never takes off, or his pass is way off...All I know is I hated the Britt signing, and was urging for a precise route runner whom effort is unquestioned (when Maclin became available) And as far as Sammie Coates...prior to him getting drafted I said he'd bust as he's just questionable in a lot of areas...His effort was on par with Britt on Sunday...Then again I was pimping Jaelen Strong that year, whom just got cut lol

This whole offense is a train wreck...From the talent, play calling, the formation, execution, and effort by some...

Signings like Bowe, Britt and others whom just collect a paycheck, are negatively impacting the young guys...Same as a co-worker of yours...whom always slacks off...It eventually disrupts you, even if at the minimum your thoughts or thinking process.