DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Isaiah Crowell questions the Browns' playcalling only 'sometimes,' but thinks about getting paid 'all the time'

Depends on Kizer?

I understand that the numbers are high to "us", but he is lucky enough and skilled enough to be in a profession that those numbers are low. Actors and Musicians are others in that fold.

Compared to others in his line of work, he is underpaid.

Every job has a worth to those who pay. I dealt with this all the time before I retired. Some years back the average bricklayer made $20 per hour. Today it is probably near $23-24 per hour.

Crow would probably be a horrible bricklayer, but he would be a better bricklayer than the best bricklayer would be a NFL runningback.

You can't hold his salary level against yours.

Peen i retired in 2005. I was a mason formen. in 2005 i made 28 dollars an hr. and no crow could not have touched my jock as a bricklayer and also i could not of touched him as rb. But you have to have the same commectment. This is why i won't comment on players unless they bitch. and don't qoute me the differance i was drafted to play pro baseball, but i wanted something something differant. Just play.

Cool...so my numbers are about right. You made more because you were worth more as one of the leaders.

No matter the numbers, my main point to Hitt is that you can't compare what Crow makes to what a everyday perosn makes and say you don't care about his problems because he has made a few million dollars.

No doubt he makes a lot more per year than you or I did.

j/c

12 carries for 44 and a 10 yd long.

Either Crowell sucks or Hue has no confidence in him. Either situation is not good.

I know many weren't Crow fans before the season, but he's never looked this bad. Lacks vision and burst. He's a liability. And they keep trotting him out there. Might as well give the carries to Johnson or Dayes.

It also doesn't help that we give up on the run too early. Even today, although being down by a good margin, I thought there was still enough time left in the game to run. But in the second half, it was pretty much all Kizer.

That is what a darn Full Back is for. Hue just doesn't want to run the ball so Kizer can lose the games for us so we can draft a real QB next season ... sigh, and I hate every bit of it.

Kize is the Guru's boy.

He looked okay to me.

Maybe we can package Crow and Britt for some more draft picks in 2018....

Put in Dawes. Give him a lead back. Put Duke in the slot. See ya later Crow.

j/c:

I am continually amazed at just how terrible people on this board are at evaluating players.

People just overreact. It's normal here. If he catches the ball we are going to the Superbowl and he is a future Probowler. If he drops the ball, then cut the bum.

Eotab, you agree with me now??

...only if PSU doesn't run him into the ground. He can't be having 28 rushes and 12 receptions against every B1G opponent like he did Saturday.

How much might we get. This stockpiling picks seems like a talent Ponzi scheme. At some point the pyramid where you rob Peter now to buy into Paul tomorrow falls down. More picks at some point means convert to some winning. Thank goodness we are still improving and not hampered by wins while we pursue "seeing what we have got" in individuals. Not fair or close to it. But a few wins would give this house of cards some legitimacy it lacks until then. Enough jawing.

We had one of the worst teams in the league and then we gutted the team. That was last season. We now have more talent (not enough talent, more talent), but almost all of it is tied up in first or second year players.

Rebuilding takes time.

WAIT A MINUTE,
I is really shameful people come on boards that only played football in Madden!!! The running game and passing game go through on common thread = Offensive line!!. PERIOD

Our offensive line has not blown not one team we have played off the ball. Then add the fact Hue gets pass happy, which then equals few running plays. Hue admitted as much last year with the excuse of "we got behind..etc". So what happens this year, only 1 side ( left) is worth a damn. We cannot run right at all. Add to that, we have been behind again, and what happens = Hue is passing ALOT with a rookie. Which is the WRONG thing to do with a rookie!

This is on the Hue and the front office. You cannot look at the right side of the oline, then say, wow we got some studs there!! Yes, if they stack the box, Kizer might have to audible out to a pass play. But we have not established the run in any game yet!

Isaiah Crowell stormed out of locker room because he’s a “sore loser”
Posted by Charean Williams on October 5, 2017, 8:23 PM EDT

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Isaiah Crowell stromed out of the locker room after playing 22 snaps and getting seven carries and one catch in the Browns’ loss to the Bengals.

“I didn’t even take a shower,” Crowell said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “I don’t like losing. I’ve always been a sore loser.”

Crowell agreed he didn’t need a shower, because “I didn’t play that much.” But Crowell made it clear, his anger came in losing.

“We lost, and I didn’t really get a chance to contribute at all, so that’s what I was really mad about,” Crowell said. “I feel like I can contribute to the game to help my team win, so that’s what I was upset about.”

Browns coach Hue Jackson gave Crowell a vote of confidence, saying, “I believe in Isaiah Crowell,” and blamed himself for not getting Crowell the ball more.

“I appreciate coach saying that,” Crowell said. “Some people will just let you go up under the bus and act like it’s your fault and stuff like that, but I appreciate him saying that. It helps me because I know he still believes in me and it’s just not working out.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...s-a-sore-loser/

we have got to run more than that.

Then why doesn't he give him the ball more?

idk that is exactly what he said about the lack of runs last year...

Because we always shoot ourselves in the foot and have 2nd and long or 3rd and long all the time.

we didnt pay the other guys in the past to stay. i doubt we pay crow.

crow always seems to trip on his own. good rbs are hard to get on ground.

I "still" want to see Dayes and Duke get a lot of the carries.

This has been answered many times, but some will continue to ignore it because they don't want to hear it.

Bitonio has talked about how teams are putting an extra man in the box to stop the run. They are daring the Browns to pass the ball.

Hue is calling plays designed to exploit the weakness of the defense. The players are not executing those plays. I don't see why anyone would be surprised by their lack of success. We have a rookie qb who isn't ready, trash WRs, and two inexperienced TEs.

Additionally, the Browns have fallen behind in the last 3 games and it's obvious that you pass more when you are trailing by 2 or more scores.

We pass the most with the youngest player, let alone QB, in the league lol... gee, why are we losing? Gee, why do I call for Hue getting a real OC? Gee, why do we suck so bad?

I said it all along, in order for us to have some success on offense - we need that expensive offensive line to start doing work and we need a RB capable of going through the holes.

I watched Doug Martin last night after having not played or have any contact at all, and there's no way I would think Crow could do that.

I guess you don't agree w/the reasons I provided. No problem.

It's all about the guy calling the plays. Brilliant!

Pull your cry baby pants back up... not everyone is going to agree.

Pathetic, as it wasn't the only reason I was even alluding to.

If Crow has a giant hole right in front of him he will hit it quick and eventually trip over his own feet or a blade of grass OR will run straight at the last defender for an easy tackle.

If Crow must actually-see / look-for the hole that is or becomes available, he will run right into the back of his OL.

Teams stacked the box last year just like this year and his YPC was better. He lacks vision and quickness and running from the shotgun will never fit him.

I'm not crying at all. In fact, I think I said "no problem."

I'm just telling you that there are valid reasons as to why we are passing the ball as much as we are.

You could have said that exact same thing last year...you wouldn't then because that didn't fit your agenda...but it was as applicable last year as it is this year.

Yeah, faith in the run game is alot higher for me when Crow is not in the backfield. No team is going to give him top 5 money and he's not going to get the carries he needs to slowly warm up and produce.

Henceforth, I'd really, REALLY like to see more Dayes. Duke seems to produce when he's called to run the ball, a good RB will make the first defender miss and gain yards.

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I agree. Even with the few times Duke has carried the ball, I've often thought that he had just made a play that Crow could never make.

I also agree with seeing more of Dayes. He made enough plays in the pre-season that showed more vision and quickness than Crow has ever displayed.

If Kizer could play from under Center, I may have a different opinion on Crow...but Kizer can't right now...and Crow is going to want paid this off-season when he's never earned the kind of $$$ he will want.

There is the perfect example of Vers' "Objectivity". Challenge him with a different opinion - or call him out on his hypocrisy - and he shrinks away like a playground bully getting punched in the nose.

Duke Johnson is what he is, and Crow is what he is.

What that's supposed to mean is that Duke is a playmaker. He's gonna make those moves, make guys miss, etc. But he's not one of those 3 down backs. We still need a Crowell. Crow is a guy that can pound on defenses. He gets stronger as he accumulates carries. Given the opportunity, he wears defenses down throughout a game. Back like him are a valuable commodity.

Also, (and correct me if I'm wrong), I don't ever recall Crow being one of those RBs that have terrible vision before this season. I always thought he had "good enough" to "good" vision. He could find the hole and hit the hole hard. But now he's running into the backs of his linemen, running straight into defenders. Is this actually what people are seeing, or what people are "sorta seeing" as they angrily watch the Browns sputter on the field? I'm just saying, I don't recall poor vision ever being attributed to Crow before now.


Lastly, and in a much more general sense, one of the aspects of the Browns team has to take a giant leap. I keep thinking back to Steelers teams when Ben was drafted. They were so so good on defense and running the ball. That was a strength, and that strength carried them through games. There was no mystery whatsoever what they were going to do when they played you. They were going to run the ball and take little shots with their rookie QB, and stifle you with great D until they got a lead. Then, they'd really stifle you with awesome D, and just run the ball the rest of the game. Now compare that to the Browns... "oh, they can't run the ball because teams are stacking the box.... oh, they are pass happy because the defense spotted the other team a 21 point lead.... oh, the defense sucks because the offense gave the other team the ball on their half of the field.... etc". We made this huge $$$ investment in the o-line and don't/can't run the ball. We made this huge draft investment in the D, and can't stop a Brissett-led Colts offense. I'm no football guru (I make sure I point this out often), but it seems to me that, at some point, one of the units on this team just has to sack up and decide that they're going to shoulder the load. We don't have a strength that we can lean on until the rest of the units are built out with established talent.