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It blows my mind that people think that coaching is a bigger problem than the talent level. LOL.........it ain't even close.

And I don't get how this is all such a surprise. We gutted the team last year. The owner said it was a multi-year rebuild. Fans talk themselves into a frenzy w/their positive talk and then call for heads when reality sets in.

it wasn't me Vers. If we would have done this in 99 or 04 or 06 we would be much better off now. Now i hope they get it right. That's all i got is hope.

Let’s give Kenny Britt a clean slate, if for nothing more than the sake of sanity


The Browns receiver will have an opportunity to shine against the Colts.
by Chris Pokorny@DawgsByNature
Sep 22, 2017, 8:19am EDT
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Not many of us have been fans of Kenny Britt’s lack of production since signing a 4-year, $32.5 million contract with the Browns. Coming off the first 1,000+ yard season of his career, Britt has just 2 catches for 15 yards through 2 games.

In a season where fans have latched on to the likes of Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, DeShone Kizer, the offensive line, and Gregg Williams for a sense of optimism, when the losses start coming, someone needs to be vilified and that has fallen on Britt’s shoulders.

Earlier this week, we ran a poll asking about the “Kenny Britt situation.” Here are the results:

Poll

Do the Browns have a "Kenny Britt situation" on their hands?
This poll is closed.

..45% = Yes, Britt’s just another paycheck collector who cashed in, then checked out after coming to Cleveland.
(893 votes)

..36% = Yes, but it’s not entirely an effort issue, Britt just wasn’t worth the money they gave him.
(714 votes)

..18% = This is a non-issue. The Browns’ passing game will improve the longer these guys work with Kizer, and Jackson figures out how to utilize them best.
(359 votes)
1966 votes total

I’m here to say that, even if its for the sake of sanity, we need to give Britt a clean slate with the Browns. Forget the inability to keep his feet in bounds in the preseason, the dropped passes, turning his back to reporters, the questionable effort, and his borderline social media trolling.

It’s easy to think that Britt is Version 2.0 of Dwayne Bowe, but he’s not. Hopefully, Hue Jackson’s message to Britt resonated, as the Browns head coach talked about on Thursday:

“I have challenged our guys every day and I have challenged him that he needs to step up and make plays and I think he will, I really do. Again, this is where we are. We have to make some plays and we understand that these are the guys that we have and Kenny is the elder statesman in that room and I think he will raise up and help lead these young guys and we will go play good this week.”

Much like I broke down all 10 runs by RB Isaiah Crowell from the Ravens game here at DBN, Scott Patsko of Cleveland.com broke down a lot of plays of Britt to see if there really is an issue with him. You might change your mind after reading through it.


On Thursday, Britt was also asked about stepping up now that WR Corey Coleman is out, and it was encouraging to hear him talk about improving the details like “finishing plays out” and “bringing more energy on-and-off the field” to answer Jackson’s challenge.

On how he goes about stepping up as a veteran leader: “Doing the right things. Just doing all of the small things. And that is what has been killing us the last two weeks - the details, the days, finishing on certain plays and things like that. That is something that we have been doing since OTAs and camp. We took a step back from that, and we need to just get back.”

On Head Coach Hue Jackson challenging him to step up, and how he did that: “Man-to-man. To step up, let me get my energy into practice and the film room, on and off the field, and in the classroom because we are moving down a path that we don’t believe we were going to go. 0-2 is not where we wanted to be and it is not where we are going to stay. As long as we do the right things and do the small things that we have been missing the last two games, I believe that we can be contending in this league.”

Helping matters this Sunday is the fact that the Indianapolis Colts have one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL, so Britt’s opportunities could come early and often.

It's not so much an attack as a comment on how they set themselves up for disappointment. Let's face it, we see it every year.

I think we see "it", but it is from a very, very small minority. I'd say 10% of the posters set themselves up for disappointment...the rest may get overly optimistic at times, but my sense from the board is that 90% understand what and where we are at the moment. That doesn't prevent highs and lows or occasional outbursts...but I think most people understand what's going on.

if this loser Britt has one more game with one catch then his ass needs to be benched.

by Chris Pokorny@DawgsByNature ..


I do agree with the writer that Britt deserves a clean slate, but not for the reason Pokorny stated (sanity).

Britt needs to understand, being the most experienced WR on the team, he "is needed". The offense needs his 8 yrs of NFL experience to help lead our very young and inexperienced group of WRs. The Browns need Britt to show his leadership "on the field", to lead by example!

Most of all, DeShown Kizer needs Britt...Kizer needs a "go to guy"..someone he can count on.

I have not said much about Britt's play on the field but I'm willing to give him a "a pass" for his performances in our first two games. Hopefully Britt's play improves and he will begin to fulfill expectations.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think Britt would live up to expectations when he was signed. I still don't. But IMO his production may be an effect of a rookie QB not having the game slowed down for him yet. A lot of Britt's woes may be more attributed to Kizer not seeing that he's open more so than Britt not being open.

versatile, I would agree that we have seen nothing unexpected and no one should be calling for hue's head. but i think you greatly exaggerate the degree to which that is happening. I got on that stupid fire the coach thread, and it is a really stupid idea. there must be five or six pages of posts. I could find maybe 5-6 posters who agree with that sentiment. 5 or 6!! most others said specifically he should not be fired, that they support him.

there are fans who want to hire an oc, but that does not equate to wanting his head. and of course, there are those fans who think they can call plays better than our coaches and can better determine who should be playing. every team has those fans not just the browns.

the vast majority of Browns fans know this is a journey. hue will get the time he needs from the fans and from the owner. we will win a few games in the next six weeks and that will give everyone a positive ( almost everyone ) vibe.

Until this team consistently can win 3, (or more) out of 7 games, as you look over any stretch of 7 games of the season, then I don't think the positivity will have panned out.
And it will not be that they have progressed even past year 1 of whatever rebuild you want to talk about.

Yeah as really think that hopefully that the team that is very young will mature and grow up and how that they could give the NFL for years to come a playoff run.

could be pit.. but if i were the qb i wouldnt throw the ball his way with the drops he had...

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If that's true you pull the QB, if the WR is open it's the QBs job to get the ball to him.

If the QB doesn't trust his teammates he shouldn't be in the game.

Someone liked that? I have no idea what you are even talking about??????????????

Yes, all of those positive thoughts you've had has added up to losing seasons over and over again.

Just read the board. Some people thought we would play .500 ball. Now they're calling for Hogan to start, some are calling for Hue to be fired. Nah, they didn't set their expectations too high and are now shouting out in anger and desperation because of it.

The evidence is plainly obvious of what I was referring to but you wish to bury your head in the sand and blame me for pointing it out.

You go on with your bad self Tab. lol

This was Jordan Leslie's first career catch. THIS.

Leslie needs to stay

8 more dropped passes today. I think Louis should be cut........yesterday.

Draftniks out there take a look at Equanimeous St. Brown at Notre Dame and tell me if he looks as good to you as I think he looks. He has a terrible QB but he looks like another Calvin Johnson to me.

Because Britt is so bad and is paid a lot more Louis kind of gets forgotten about ... yes, he's been AWFUL

Perhaps because he makes the other guys look bad by comparison? We really need to see more of Leslie...

Our WRs are useless. Louis isn't the only one. We clearly neglected this position and with broken glass Coleman, it's a contant bee string of a reminder we need real help there. Especially with a rookie QB, I mean dang... can SOMEONE help the kid? Especiallly when he delivers a catchable ball, do your freaking job.

God I'm okay with cutting everyone except Coates, Williams and Leslie and bringing in some new faces no other team seems to want.

Eight drops. EIGHT!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Neglecting the Wr's,TE's, safeties, Cbs and Running Back positions was a major mistake. We should have upgraded the positions and not counting the rookies has sure things.

This position that Wrs and Rbs are a dime a dozen is proving one of the big mistakes of this team for years now.

I'm actually okay with our TEs. Seth is looking good and you can tell David is already being schemed for and improving. He literally is our only endzone threat.

Actually in my earlier post, I wasn't even referring to you. You don't go off the deep end when we have losses. You don't call for the coach to be fired. You don't call for the QB to be benched after only two starts.

Those are the people I was referring to. Do I think you overestimate our team on pretty much an annual basis? Yes I do. Do I believe you overestimate our talent level almost every year? Yes I do. But when they don't meet your expectations you don't go off the deep end like some posters do. Instead, you continue to look for the positives and places where you can point out progress.

When you start having the knee jerk reactions that some posters do when they let their expectations dictate their emotions I'll be glad to point that out to you. But you've never been that way and I don't see that happening.

j/c:

I am also concerned about the OPIs. Everytime I see DeValve open the first thing I wonder is if he got open due to a push off.

Last year I thought the same of Pryor.

Browns sign Bug Howard. I remember the name pre draft and think that some where high on him. He has good size. http://scout.com/nfl/browns/Article/Brow...ClevelandBrowns

Most WR's in the NFL push off in some manner we just get called more than all the others ...

Uh, what's a Bug Howard?

What does this tell us about us?

Welcome aboard, Bug! Just catch it if Kizer can get rid of one.

Good luck.

I want to see more of this Leslie. Sorry when he was cut, wanted him back, glad when that happened.

"The Britt Alternative" perhaps? That last preseason game was righteous. And we cut him.

can't have rampant ball catching around real football. Poor judgment letting him go, and he hasn't broken anything yet. Throw it to Bug.

It's pretty ridiculous that we could easily have Travis Benjamin, Taylor Gabriel and TP. Not saying that's an elite WR core, they might just be OK, but at least they could make plays.

I agree with you.....

and yet 2 outta 3 were ripped apart on these boards cus they were too small we needed bigger players at the position.....Gabby always fell on the ground and was too small that was a pretty popular belief his last season. Benji was just a one trick frail pony who would be easy to replace and his return ability's were washed up.

So far I think Pryor is kicking himself because he bet on himself and isn't exactly getting tons of opportunity to get that huge contract he wants. If his current lack of opportunity's does not change over the next couple few more games I suspect he starts getting very vocal. The part that is ridiculous is he had the perfect opportunity to be THE number 1 here and get that big huge payday he is looking for....guess Washington paying him virtually the same as we were offering for being a number 2/3 wr was more important. Moral of the story is be thankful for what you have cus cutting off your nose to spite the face generally does not work out so well.

This move reminds me of a fantasy football move. Your top WRs are out or no good so you just keep scouring the wire picking up more crap.LOL It cracks me up. They have the capital to sign big names, not even big names, just players with good experience that actually know how to play, but instead, they keep the tear down in tacked.

Maybe found one of their replacements in Duke Johnson, a running back? Haha. I mean, I can't really say all that much. While I liked Benji, I saw him more of a WR to take the safety off, but we never had a QB who could do that. So I was OK with the move at the time. Now that we have a QB who constantly throws it deep, it looks like a foolish move. I wanted Hawkins more than Gabriel too, but I wanted Gabriel more than Britt. I think the FO was a bit too moneyball in the beginning. They really blew things up, but they didn't consider we had an excellent foundation. This will be a heavily controversial statement, but one that I stand by, since 2007 we've had a good team core, but our play has been marred by quarterbacks. We've now got a rookie QB who looks the part in many of the harder parts of QBing, throwing it down the field, climbing the pocket and avoiding pressure, not afraid to get hit. Honestly, these are good building blocks for a QB. It'd be nice to know what we truly have, but we cant't with all of our WR's dropping the passes.

I would like to expound if I may on that line of thinking....

It is my opinion that the FO was kind of suprised by Kizer being there for them in the 2nd round. I believe they were going ahead with building the team inside out and not giving it much mind that they would...1. Find a QB 2. Have that QB show them enough to warrant consideration of being their guy of the future. Now having said that, if by the time they got to OTA's and seeing that Kizer's mental capability's and aspects of his mechanics could be fixed sooner rather than later it threw the proverbial monkey wrench in how they had this season planned out.

I don't think they were worried so much with putting emphasis on finding impactful WR's. I believe they were looking at running a more conservative offense with possession type guys and using 2 TE's and a running game, however, Kizer obviously showed them that he wasn't afraid to stretch the field and could be taught at a higher pace than they expected.

In other words we probably figured on a ball control offense given the QB's we had on the roster and continued the team build in the trenches and add to DB's and TE's see how it played out in the rebuild. They have done nothing over the last few weeks but to try and zero in on WR's from around the league that may have been overlooked or have shown flashes to be able to try and add to make more impact for Kizer's arm. Obviously we aren't there yet but given I don't think they intended on it playing out this way I am happy they are trying everything in the limited constraints that they have been given.