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A sinner.

that's your problem. not mine.

I agree with you when you are right but now you are wrong.

nobody knows until we're dead.

I am a living example of that statement being wrong.

No, we have "faith" that we know what happens when we die. And many of us don't even agree on that.

Some say the second you die your soul leaves your body and you go to heaven. Some say you are asleep in the grave until the resurrection.

For non believers, it's quite confusing how so many people read the same book and come out with so many different answers to what it means. I can understand that.

how?

I have gone far beyond faith in these matters. They are as accepted to me as knowing there will be breathable air in the next room as I enter. No thought to it.

Yes, I have faith there will be air but am so convinced it is there that no thought of it is even necessary.

This raises a lot of philological questions which you're about to find out is not my strong suit.

Why did your mom raise you to not steal?

Of course, because it's wrong.

Why is it wrong? Because your mom said so?

Because we shouldn't take other people's money?

Hold on I just made myself dizzy. Never mind.

In a way I agree, no, you don't know, but I disagree.

I figure it this way. If I Believe, and am wrong, I have lost nothing. I end up like everybody else, rotting flesh in the ground. If I am wrong and don't believe, I have lost everything.

that's fine if you have that mindset.

just me, i choose to be a good person and productive member to society because i want to, not because a book tells me to.

Mark 4:12
12so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

Faith is believing in something that has not yet happened. Stop being obtuse.

And Jesus answering said unto them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at ..."
{Mark 12:17}

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Jesus is giving recognition of two seperate kingdoms (swords) on earth.

Seperation of church and state.

The Sanctuary message:

The outer court surrounded in white linens, representing; Christ ministry on earth and being covered in His righteousness and great glory.

The first item in the outer court entering from the east is the Alter of Sacrifice, representing; the blood of the Lamb of God, by which Justification is imputed, by His sacrifice for our sins.

The next item in the outer court is the Laver for cleansing, representing; Baptism, dieing to self and the receiving of the Holy Spirit and putting on Christ.

Sanctification begins forthwith, drawn by the Holy Spirit to the Spirit of truth, by proceeding west into the first chamber of the tabernacle, the Holy congregation.
Whithin the first chamber, there are three items of futnature;

To the right (northward) is the table of shewbread, representing; the word of God, in two equal stacks, six kikkars of bread each (Lev 24:6), symbolic of the two testaments (witnesses). The Holy Spirit leads us to study the word of God. This is how God speaks to His people.

To the west and before the second Most Holy chamber is the Alter of Incense, representing; the prayers and supplications of the saints, our personal relationship with the LORD, by the Spirit of God that dwells within the midst, and in the mind of whosoever believes in Christ.
This is how we speak to the LORD.

To the left (southward) we come to the seven branch candlestick, representing; the Spirit of Christ, and his witness on earth and, by the witness of His spiritual church on earth, throughout the seven dispensations before His second coming.
By preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, and baring witness to His word, the Word becomes omnipresent, even unto the ends of the earth.

We must spend time in the study and rightly dividing the word of the LORD.
We must spend time in prayer and supplication and we must spend time as a living witness.

The final item in the tabernacle is the Most Holy (Holy of Holies), the second chamber to the west end of the tabernacle.

In this second chamber is the Ark of the Covenant, containing the Law of God under the mercyseat.

The Decalogue reflects the character of God, like the moon reflects the light of the sun.

The Ark of the Covenant and the Alter of Sacrifice, representing the Law of God and the Justification for our sins, respectively where built to be of equal height, representing; that the Law of God and His justice are equal.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
{Isaiah 55:6}

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
{Isaiah 58:12}

I'm not sure what that has to do with our nation giving equality to all religions and not just one.

Church and state must be kept seperate.
Any time throughout the history of mankind when the state has tried to enforce religious issues, persecutions have followed.

Those who do not learn from history are bound to make the same mistakes.

I agree completely.

Yep.

Once the State can say "It's God's will".

Look out!

Because it's Tyranny's will.

Ponder this; what will become of gameday in the NFL, once Sunday law is made law in the USA, like the EU?

Then explain how having faith in something that happened over 2k years ago is something that hasn't happened yet?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
{Hebrews 11:1}

I'm well aware of that, I'll wait for Pit to explain himself.

Didn't Florida already explain it to you?

Did you witness Christ walking the earth?

See, what people of faith like myself have to believe , is that men interpreting events from over 2000 years ago were being honest, accurate and not making things up. Many people do not believe that is so. What you have faith in is that those things are accurate since you didn't actually witness it.

Florida actually gave you an example of how faith is defined in the Bible. But it appears you need a further explanation than the scripture that you just claimed to believe. That sounds kinda weird.

And from that came brown people, black people, white people, yellow people and very few mentally disabled people for the amount of inbreeding that was going on.

Religious beliefs (like most politics) will never change for most people. I myself consider myself to be on the fence. I hope there is a god, but in no way or form do I believe in a god. I also think the church is the most corrupt corporation on earth. No book or person is going to change that for me. When the church covered up for pedos, well lets just say they weren't doing that for god and more so their own pockets.

When it comes to organized religion, I agree with you. I think you can be a spiritual person, believe in God and be a Christian without attaching yourself to a religion.

I'm not saying all religions are bad. But you have so many shysters and con men in the religion game that it's often times hate to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Which Religion did Jesus create?

Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, other?

He created a teaching, not a religion.

I don't know what to think about that answer. It seems kind of understated. I know He did not found a Religion, as I see those as man made. I guess one could say He founded Christianity.

Do you mean a denomination? Christianity is a religion..

I believe Jesus just collectively referred to it as "the church" and in Matthew it's spelled out pretty clearly he wasn't talking about a building, he was talking about a faith.

Exactly where did Jesus refer to anything as a church?

Ok. This.

http://www.jesusteachings.com/church888.html

It is so nice to see a young woman who can ask and answer her own questions.

Agreed.

Saves the trouble of deciphering a bunch of hogwash some dude would tell her-

Can you drop the condescension please? You said faith is a belief in a future event, what Florida posted is also a description of hoping for future events, one doesn't hope in the past do they?

I asked you how it is that if I have faith that this book that I believe in FROM THE PAST is having faith in a future event (or something like that, I've been handling quite a few solvents the past few days and I'm not gonna look back in the thread this late at night).

What I'm getting at is it goes in both directions. I believe in the death, burial and resurrection, which happened in the past right?

Hope isn't knowing.



In order to have faith, you must believe in what the Bible says about the past and the future. It certainly does go both ways.

Your assertion was that having faith is knowing. But if you know something you don't need faith. Faith is your belief. To have faith you are putting your trust in a belief system and a book written by humans over hundreds of years.

That is what our discussion is about.

Faith; firm belief in something for which there is no proof