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I don't like posting right away I'd like a little sleep and a night to breathe easier...just me. So apologize for being here with this post so late.
What I saw. We all stated that we had to play close to mistake free football to win. Tough to ask a rookie QB but as a team we didn't adhere to that.
Ill timed INTs...Williams turned in Kizer threw out. Probably the new WRs fault I ASSume.
Terrible throw to an OPEN Britt on a Post throwing behind a post is a no no.
Dropped passes by our WRs as a whole...even my favorite hands guy Devalve dropped a pass. A lot of those in the closing minutes I didn't really mind that much cause It didn't run off time.
What I don't understand is the 5??? Offensive pass interference on actions made by WRs over all the NFL and against us.
FIVE...I have to question the Referee's once again...some yeah were technically right but not all. The roughing the passer on Orchard was a disgraceful Call.
The defensive melt down 4 series in a row having the Colts score TD's. The inability to corral Brisset especially on 3rd and long would have had a couple of FGs made rather than TDs.
So many things cost us.
Hue...I really didn't mind that he used those 3 timeouts quickly as the Colts were playing not to lose and run time off the clock with 9 minutes left. The only negative is if we needed to throw the Challenge flag with more than 2 minutes left we wouldn't of had that opportunity.
I'm tired of us OUT PLAYING TEAMS and us losing close games because of mistakes. Like everyone tired of it.
Its understandable that we have a rookie QB out there but we have had many...MANY open WRs either missed because a lack of accuracy which for me have me questioning if Kizer is the ONE???
But there just opportunities not taken for some reason. I saw on a replay with the camera angle from behind Kizer having a pocket but real quick we had Njoku running a Seam route wide open right there on the Right hash line. Instead of throwing it...Kizer's eyes were locked on the outside and when he felt the pocket breaking down (when he could have made the throw)
he chose to put his head down and get outside then looking for an open WR...We deserve to win games. Especially with a young team playing AS WELL AS THEY ARE. Negative reinforcement is never good.
First Colts TD on the scramble to their Right. Ogbah sliced in and left that Right side with no outside containment. I assume this was by design not a mistake by Ogbah. Instead of 3 points they got 7...
Great adjustment by Williams at the half.
We could have ran on them and wear them down...but honestly...the 4 TDs by the Colts prevented us on committing to the run game.
3rd Qtr INT stopping us from going to 28-21 early and a lot of time...sealed that lack of a run game.
Kirksey, McCourty DL as a whole played well. Love Corey and our rookie Larry...those guys are great young players!
Duke tremendous effort in this game. 2nd
effort. Our OL played OK...not great, not bad. Joe Thomas is great...his emotion of happiness when we scored was a great sight to see. Wish to see him AFTER A WIN!!!
Hope we show for our next game in great force like our opener.
As fans and as players.
What did you all see. I'll get more technical possibly later today. This game was not on Hue and play calls. We had correct plays called. WRs let us down and the rookie QB let us down.
What did you see. Please refrain from rants if possible.
Oh and koodos to Steeler Offensive Tackle Villenuava for coming out to honor our flag and national Anthem...despite Tomlins call for team unity in their PROTEST.
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We need help, and massive amounts of it sprinkled in all our position groups and team.
This is going to be my answer from here on out this season but it's the only thing important to me and the only thing I see nowadays. Maybe after another ten or 15 drafts, hit and miss free agencies and etc - we can have a product on the field that I want to watch from minute one to minute end.
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eotab, you said one thing i just do not get. that four second quarter tds took away our run game. after scoring the end of half td we were two scores down. we stopped them on the opening second half series. we could have used the run in the second half instead of making the rookie qb carry the load. our d was stopping them and we had plenty of time on the clock. I would have liked our running game to carry us.
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The defense they should have double teamed Hilton all day.
Offense njoku 2 td of the season congrats.
duke excellent day,
kizer excellent day running it is a shame they make you throw the ball 40 plus times
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OPI is one of those calls that can be made on virtually any pass play. The Steelers, and other teams employ "pick plays", or "rubs" all the time and you almost never see it called. Elite receivers, like Antonio Brown, get away with pushing off all the time with no call. But you take a bottom-dweller team like the Browns, and the refs seem to suddenly get a very quick trigger on the flagging of really borderline calls. I thought the push off they called on Higgins on what would have been a first down was based on very incidental contact. I could not spot the foul at all on the one to Devalve. I know that sounds like whiney-ass, tinfoil hat stuff, but I've seen it for too long to dismiss it. The NFL has an "equity-deficit" in the enforcement of its rules; the referees seem to pick and choose their spots depending on who the offending team is. That's my perception; perhaps its because I'm a homer, but its where I'm at.
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it amazes me how our TO's and penalties can be SO ill-timed
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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eotab, you said one thing i just do not get. that four second quarter tds took away our run game. after scoring the end of half td we were two scores down. we stopped them on the opening second half series. we could have used the run in the second half instead of making the rookie qb carry the load. our d was stopping them and we had plenty of time on the clock. I would have liked our running game to carry us.
If we had a long drive and took time off the clock and didn't score a TD (which btw happened) but even a FG 28-17...then of course they drove and took time off the clock making it 31.
We lost the opportunity to run not because of HUE...but because we dropped passes, threw INTs and missed open WRs.
Hard to convince or describe WHY I got it. But it is what it is.
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Dave on the replay of Devalve's play...early on he bumped into a defender...waaaayyyy before the pass. He ended up continuing the pattern and got wide open well after the collision.
My only question on that...its was no where near the time of the ball thrown. It was inside the 5 yard status of contact. and it had nothing to do with him getting open. My only question really was is it OPI if its before the throw and inside the 5 yard limit???
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Young team??? or is it We are LOSERS until we can turn it around we will find a way to lose. Actually I think its a little bit of both. I mean if we had a QB who didn't make mistakes...I think we win that game. But its actually was much much more combo of mistakes only to lose again by 3 points!
Frustrating as a fan and I'm sure as a player as well.
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Is there a video of these dropped passes? I would like to see each dropped pass. Are dropped passes always on the receiver or could they be on the quarterback as well?
And everyone points to these dropped passes as the reason we lost yesterday.... But despite these dropped passes we scored 28 points. We held a Roethlisberger led offense to 21 points (really only just 14), we held a Flacco led offense to 24 points. But we give up 31 to a Brissett led offense and the reason we lost is the dropped passes?
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It is th NFL! Parity or nigh on means that if you let the bad guys hang around long enough by not moving the sacks, getting takeaways, taking sacks, penalties, and all the other things we do like clockwork every week, they will comeback on you and beat you.
We aren't just doing things a couple times; we are repeating mistakes weekly and allowing them to go forward to be repeated again. And it is ongoing.
Correct a few things, say two each week. I think we looked worse yesterday than we did against Pittsburgh.
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I'd say 5-6 of the 8 were strictly on the WR. Maybe 2-3 of them were "catchable" ... but clearly a rookie QB needs all the help we can get.
I'd actually blame Taylor and Peppers for the loss more than anybody.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I have heard the number of drops being 8 - I didn't keep count, just knew it was a lot. But the throw that was a yard behind Britt should not be called a drop. Yeah, he got his hands on it, but he was running full tilt the other way plus he knew he was about to get hit by the Safety. That was just a brutal throw, and a good example of how QBs get their WRs killed.
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What are your thoughts on this 40 yards off the ball with peppers? I personally hate it. It seems like we are giving TE and WR a wide open middle to dart through, then free 10 yards until they get to Peppers. IDK how much of it is not having MG, but I don't see us as aggressive as advertised either.
I think we need someone to call plays. I am a Hue fan, but we just look so unprepared. And all those offensive pass int penalties, its because we cant get open, IMO.
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I'd actually blame Taylor and Peppers for the loss more than anybody. Peppers is not being put in a position to make any type of plays in my opinion. He's being used to only make a tackle after someone has gained 20 yards. I hate how they are using him. Let him roam and use his athletic ability to make a play on the ball!
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[quote=keithfromxenia]eotab, "you said one thing i just do not get. that four second quarter tds took away our run game."
I agree 100%. How can one forget the greatest comeback in NFL history? Hoyer/Kyle Shanahan. One thing and the thing that made the comeback? They never gave up on the running game. You're correct sir. No doubt. Hue seems to panic. At the end of the half when the defense was nothing more than a wet paper bag, correct me if I'm wrong, our last possession we threw 3 passes and took 24 seconds off the clock? Colts went downs and scored another TD before the end of the half. We sent a winded defense right back back on the field. How's that turn out? Not good.
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I'd actually blame Taylor and Peppers for the loss more than anybody. Peppers is not being put in a position to make any type of plays in my opinion. He's being used to only make a tackle after someone has gained 20 yards. I hate how they are using him. Let him roam and use his athletic ability to make a play on the ball! And even then he fails miserably, takes poor angles,gets out of position, slips, and is not able to tackle... Where would you play him? He can't play safety, can't play MLB... Indy and Pitt won the games targeting Peppers, Bal didn't need it... He is a liability right now.
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ideally, Peppers could play Kindred's spot and we'd have a better FS
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ideally, Peppers could play Kindred's spot and we'd have a better FS Or just sit him for a while, so he can learn the position. Or at the very least, take him out, when other teams start to target him. NFL is clearly to fast for him. He's athletic, but it takes much more than that in the NFL.
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He tore up the preseason, when they let run after and play the ball. hes is an aggressive player that needs some free roaming ability. WIlliams as soon as the season started took that away from him and is not using him to his strengths. I don't see the problem with peppers, I see the problem with how they are using him.
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it amazes me how our TO's and penalties can be SO ill-timed I'm not sure it's that they are ill-timed as much as I think we just aren't good enough to overcome them. The patriots have turnovers in the redzone too once in a while, they score 30 points anyway.. they have penalties that put them behind the chains and they get the first down anyway... we aren't good enough to overcome mistakes yet. We have to play near-perfect to win.
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Please read and not selective Reading. I listed several mistakes Dropped passes was just a small section and I don't think I dwelled on it too much. So I am not aware of your comment? Link/video...not my bag I'm sure some will come out over the next few days. A couple were not right in the chest but still should have been caught. For instance I saw Britt make a nice catch but when he went to the ground and it wasn't a big slam to the ground or anything...he lost control.
In Britt's positive he made a great catch for his first TD of the season. But did you watch the game that you are asking about the validity of dropped passes? Its pretty much a fact...but was it the single reason we lost? No there was enough to go around.
D had a problem with Hilton and Brissett scrambling. Of course he saved his best performance and I mean best imaginable against us which sucked but we ooze confidence from our opponents...until they fear us.
Any news on Kindred...was Campbell in there cause Kindred got hurt or did he make some mistakes which I did not see.
Anyway search around and put up some video on the drops.
I have no question about it so don't look for me to hunt around...beside I suck at that stuff...lol 
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My thoughts he is playing QB of the secondary...he needs to get use to the HOW TO on playing that position the way Williams wants. Things should fall in and I think the entire D will look better once Garrett comes back.
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My thoughts he is playing QB of the secondary...he needs to get use to the HOW TO on playing that position the way Williams wants. Things should fall in and I think the entire D will look better once Garrett comes back. I agree and I understand that with a young player who needs time to learn the position trying to put him in a spot he is not going to get torched. I just feel that Peppers is a different animal. I would compare him (not saying is, just his style) to Troy P. He is a freak athlete that relies on his physical attributes, and playing him the way we are, sort of negates that to me. I would love to see him every once in awhile get a free pass to just roam around and try to make play. JMO
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I wanted to wait to post this to give it some perspective with time. I was on a shoot yesterday, so with two days behind, I can say that I'm not nearly as upset as I was while watching the game. It was a disgusting display by the defense the end of the 1st through the 2nd quarters. I was so disappointed I wanted to stop watching, but of course didn't.
I saw that we were out coached and out played in every aspect of the game. Awful, just awful.
The drops. There's really no excuse. If they can't catch, cut them. Right now. Britt got blamed on the crossing route, but the ball was behind him. The catch he went down to get and ended up letting slip out of his hands was just lack of effort. I'm okay with releasing him right now too. Leslie and Karen Williams need more playing time. The fact they're not getting it means someone has their head up their rear. Hue.
The penalties. Again, no excuse. Hue.
Kizer is learning to swim. He's in the deep end and dog paddling as fast as he can. I love that he's getting good game experience. But man, it's painful to watch sometimes. Other time, you can see the future.
I saw Chud get revenge on Haslam. Kind of cool in a perverse way.
I saw the Browns basically crap the bed. The score was in no way indicative of the game. All the whining about the end of the game and the time outs and onside kicks, etc, etc... garbage time BS and we were never going to win.
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Once again I saw a rookie QB thats not ready to play ... play like a rookie qb thats not ready to play ....
I also saw a rookie qb show the mind boggling innacuracy hes shown over the last two years at nd and so far in his 3 short short weeks in the nfl ...
I saw possibly the worst performance I've ever seen from a wr core ... Louis can't catch but he sure looks good doing it ... *L* ....that has to be our logic ... its a tough spot actually ... the atheletic guys tha create separation sometimes can't catch and guys like Higgins and Leslie that can catch have problems creating separation ... the position will be addressed with some valuable assets this fa and draft ...
I saw Jamir taylor asked to do something he couldn't posssibly do for the entire 2nd quarter and that killed us ... i don't understand what took so long to make the adjustment ....
I saw way to many penalties once again ...
I saw a D that really missed MG and Collins ...
I saw a d that made brissett look like Brady ....
I saw an oc abondon the run game AGAIN ...
I saw an oc underutilitize our best player on O ... the Duke ... hes really impressed me this year ... hes playing at a different level ....
I saw a HC shaking his head in disgust after one O series as the team was coming off .... i also saw him after the next bad O series looking disgusted at what he was watching .... i can't blame hue for one second for feeling that way but he can't show it ... not like that ... not with a young qb who needs support from his oc/HC especially after what he went through last year ... I LOVE IT when Hue coaches him when he comes off, witch was about every series they panned over there except those couple ... hue has got to quit doing that ...
I don't believe there was a positional unit on the team that could say they didn't contribute to the loss ... it was truly a total team loss ... from players to coaches ... everyone had a hand in this debacle ...
To end i saw one f the most dissapointing losses I've seen since our return ... when its all said and done we haven't been able to overcome our rookie qb the last two weeks ...
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??? cause I did not take a mental note. Where was Peppers playing in the 2nd half where we made adjustments and held the Colts to only 3 points that half? Was he still back or came up???
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